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kdsub -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/2/2017 12:01:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods It isn't all dreck like Garth Brooks or Miley's dad, Greta. (I don't know any of Jason Aldean's stuff myself, but it's hard not to feel sorry for the guy over this. It's the very last way you'd want to get on the news as a working musician, isn't it?) I shall await for motive. But it's very strange for a white man to go after country music. In my head right now, I am thinking that, country music is associated to right leaning folks, and right leaning folks is associated with Trump voters and shooter is left leaning who hated all the people who voted for Trump, thus he went to shoot em all. And then Trump will be blamed for this shooting for making people so angry and divided to this extent. My speculation and my guess. Or may be just a beef against a specific band playing. And trying to ruin their concert. Or a white Muslim..., they exist. Greta it makes no difference his motivation... he is mentally ill.... and we must institute stronger screening for gun owners to at least try to weed out people like this. Butch

Greta75 -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/2/2017 12:12:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Greta it makes no difference his motivation... he is mentally ill.... and we must institute stronger screening for gun owners to at least try to weed out people like this. Butch We don't know if he is mentally ill yet.

Greta75 -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/2/2017 12:15:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 No, he had a room in the Mandalay hotel/casino, on the 32nd floor. So he was a spree killer with some idea of style since those rooms run $100 a night for a king room. Why are all you guys saying 32nd floor AS IF that is very near to the crowd? If the crowd was on the ground and he is at 32nd storey, that's freaking far away! That's why I thought he sniped.

MercTech -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/2/2017 12:21:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyDemura Why again are people allowed to own guns like this? Or any guns at all? This shooter was not in the military, if only the well regulated militia clause was enforced, this horrible shooting would not have occurred. There are a few reasons. 1. An armed populace is a last resort against tyranny. 2. Police have no obligation to protect the individual unless a "special relationship" exists. 3. The U.S. is so huge that a police response can be hours away in case of trouble. 4. The Constitution of the U.S. was written by people that not only allowed citizens to keep arms but in that day even required it. Assault rifles are not completely banned but required to be licensed and permitted. The background check for an automatic firearm is as extensive as one for getting a Secret clearance. And a $1200 fee for each and every transfer combined with a 4-10 month wait for permission to transfer makes Class III firearm ownership something only serious collectors do. But, there is a black market for illegal firearms and you can get an illegal machine gun (according to my policeman neighbor) cheaper than you can legally get one. In the big picture, U.S. Citizens who have not had rights curtailed by conviction of a Felony nor been adjudicated by a court as mentally unfit, have a right to keep and bear arms. Note the "citizens", "conviction" and "adjudicated by a court". This is an issue of "due process" and certain states confiscating private arms based on someone swearing out a bond (accusation but no conviction of domestic abuse, etc.) is being tested in courts. The type of arms a private citizen may keep have some limitations and you have to get specific permission and pay a tax for the permit to keep a "NFA Firearm". If it isn't a single shot weapon, auto-loading is fine, of the appropriate barrel length and configuration, it is an NFA firearm and requires specific permission and permitting. Furthermore, no permission or permitting will be forthcoming if there are state or local laws prohibiting the person applying from owning the firearm. On the "bear" portion of the second amendment. There are local laws that specify, for the public safety, where the right to bear arms may be safely invoked. Schools, courts, government buildings are usual places where individual arms are forbidden. In my local jurisdiction, if a business posts a sign at the entrance saying "no firearms" or an ideograph to that effect (circle slash over a handgun is common) it is now a crime to carry a firearm on their premises. I'm probably wasting my efforts illustrating how the U.S. is not the unregulated wild west that totalitarian touting media wants you to believe. But those in foreign countries, California, Chicago, and New York haven't been exposed to the reality of private firearm ownership that the bulk of the U.S. has been.

Lucylastic -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/2/2017 12:26:02 PM)
Gateway Pundit, this morning posted an article saying that the shooter was a) the wrong person(he was married to the woman of interest) and claimed he was a crazy leftist. Its since been deleted, http://crooksandliars.com/2017/10/how-far-right-jumped-todays-las-vegas [image]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLIQOjQXUAAH4ZW.jpg[/image] [image]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLIZxY7U8AUhmEx.jpg[/image] It's a standard right-wing tactic to muddy the facts with any story that's gaining massive traction. Besides the usual fake "this person is missing" tweets, the extreme right jumped on an opening and began to spread the lie that the Las Vegas shooter was "antifa": View image on Twitter View image on Twitter Follow Ryan Broderick ✔@broderick Replying to @broderick Far-right trolls are creating a conspiracy theory about Geary Danley. He was listed as being married to person of interest Marilou Danley. 6:51 AM - Oct 2, 2017 9 9 Replies 451 451 Retweets 602 602 likes Twitter Ads info and privacy View image on TwitterView image on Twitter Follow Ryan Broderick ✔@broderick Replying to @broderick When 4chan doxed Marilou, they found his account and saw that he likes tons of anti-Trump pages. Which they are now jumping on. 6:52 AM - Oct 2, 2017 9 9 Replies 366 366 Retweets 530 530 likes Twitter Ads info and privacy View image on TwitterView image on Twitter Follow Ryan Broderick ✔@broderick Replying to @broderick And now his name and photos are being circulating by far-right Twitter accounts, accusing him of being a "neo-liberal" and "alt-left' 6:53 AM - Oct 2, 2017 23 23 Replies 354 354 Retweets 486 486 likes Twitter Ads info and privacy View image on TwitterView image on TwitterView image on TwitterView image on Twitter Follow Ryan Broderick ✔@broderick Replying to @broderick There are at least 6 4chan threads workshopping the narrative that Geary Danley and his family are dangerous leftists happening right now 6:56 AM - Oct 2, 2017 16 16 Replies 680 680 Retweets 714 714 likes Twitter Ads info and privacy View image on Twitter View image on Twitter Follow Ryan Broderick ✔@broderick Replying to @broderick Also, apparently Google is putting 4chan threads in their top story unit now? So, the number one hit for his name is a /pol/ thread. 7:02 AM - Oct 2, 2017 59 59 Replies 878 878 Retweets 1,265 1,265 likes Twitter Ads info and privacy View image on Twitter View image on Twitter Follow Ryan Broderick ✔@broderick Replying to @broderick The @gatewaypundit wrote up Geary Danley as the #mandalaybay shooter and then deleted their post. 7:17 AM - Oct 2, 2017 63 63 Replies 597 597 Retweets 828 828 likes Twitter Ads info and privacy View image on Twitter View image on Twitter Follow Ryan Broderick ✔@broderick Replying to @broderick In case you're wondering how this works, here's a 4chan thread called "CONTROL THE NARRATIVE. DON'T LET FAKE NEWS TAKE CONTROL." 7:26 AM - Oct 2, 2017 57 57 Replies 1,745 1,745 Retweets 1,928 1,928 likes Twitter Ads info and privacy View image on TwitterView image on TwitterView image on TwitterView image on Twitter Follow Ryan Broderick ✔@broderick Replying to @broderick New far-right narrative forming: Stephen Paddock is "Antifa" 8:42 AM - Oct 2, 2017 109 109 Replies 1,013 1,013 Retweets 1,253 1,253 likes Twitter Ads info and privacy View image on TwitterView image on TwitterView image on TwitterView image on Twitter Follow Ryan Broderick ✔@broderick Replying to @broderick Posts from a fake "Melbourne Antifa" page are going viral on Facebook. Post went up claiming one of their "comrades" was behind LV shooting. 9:11 AM - Oct 2, 2017 35 35 Replies 596 596 Retweets 662 662 likes Twitter Ads info and privacy View image on Twitter View image on Twitter Follow Andy Diggle ✔@andydiggle Replying to @broderick Lots of trolls linking to a Geary Danley page on Everipedia which was created THIS MORNING: 8:02 AM - Oct 2, 2017 2 2 Replies 18 18 Retweets 42 42 likes Twitter Ads info and privacy View image on Twitter View image on Twitter Follow Mangaka Ed D Stewart @EddieDexter Replying to @broderick and 2 others Here's another one. 7:59 AM - Oct 2, 2017 1 1 Reply 7 7 Retweets 14 14 likes Twitter Ads info and privacy And remember, you can always check on the trending stories by Russian bots and Russia-originated sites right here.

Lucylastic -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/2/2017 12:29:17 PM)
quote: Not familiar with the AK-47? Look at photos of Charlottesville, they were the rifles being carried by many Antifa Sorry it wasnt just antifa Oathkeepers were armed, so were a group of protesters who set up a staging ground for safety, and white surpemacists were armed. Please get your facts straight

WhoreMods -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/2/2017 12:37:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 ~~ FR ~~ I believe 82 died from Harvey.. and that was over several days.. this guy killed 59 (or more once the dust settles), probably in a matter of minutes.. interesting that he was 64... I wonder if they will ever find out why.. Because he was 63 last year, and would have been 65 next year if he'd not shot himself when the bluebottles arrived.

heavyblinker -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/2/2017 12:39:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MercTech quote: ORIGINAL: LadyDemura Why again are people allowed to own guns like this? Or any guns at all? This shooter was not in the military, if only the well regulated militia clause was enforced, this horrible shooting would not have occurred. There are a few reasons. 1. An armed populace is a last resort against tyranny. It's also the best defense against not getting shot by psychopaths.

WhoreMods -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/2/2017 12:42:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: MercTech quote: ORIGINAL: LadyDemura Why again are people allowed to own guns like this? Or any guns at all? This shooter was not in the military, if only the well regulated militia clause was enforced, this horrible shooting would not have occurred. There are a few reasons. 1. An armed populace is a last resort against tyranny. It's also the best defense against not getting shot by psychopaths. I thought they'd given up on the tyrant line since the current guy regarding the constitution and bill of rights as a personal affront is a republican?

heavyblinker -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/2/2017 12:46:10 PM)
The gunman's brother has said it isn't political, isn't religious. He probably just got depressed and wanted to take his anger out on the world. http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/02/us/las-vegas-stephen-paddock-father-fbi-most-wanted/index.html It really isn't even so inconceivable that he got really drunk and it just seemed like a good idea at the time.

Lucylastic -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/2/2017 12:49:50 PM)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2017/10/02/how-far-right-trolls-named-the-wrong-man-as-the-las-vegas-shooter/ Geary Danley was not the gunman in Las Vegas who killed at least 50 people late Sunday. But for hours on the far-right Internet, would-be sleuths scoured Danley’s Facebook likes, family photographs and marital history to try to “prove” that he was. Danley, according to an archived version of a Facebook page bearing that name, might have been married to a Marilou Danley. Police were looking for a woman by that name in the hours after the shooting, but later said they did not think she was involved. To name someone as a mass murderer based on that evidence would be irresponsible and dangerous. But that’s exactly what a portion of the far-right Internet did overnight. The briefest look at the viral threads and tweets falsely naming Geary Danley as the attacker makes it easy to guess why a bunch of right-wing trolls latched on to him: His Facebook profile indicated that he might be a liberal. Authorities have since identified the gunman as Stephen Paddock, 64, who was later found dead in a hotel room on the Strip. His motives remain unknown. But the fake Danley story presented a complete, desirable package to the elements of the far-right Internet that spread it. That phony story quickly embedded itself into the algorithms of Google and Facebook, where sites promoting the rumor remained at the top of the results for anyone searching for Danley’s name. In excited all-caps, one anonymous user on 4chan’s /pol/ board posted that Danley was a “REGISTERED DEMOCRAT!” The thread spread quickly, as did a crowdsourced wiki page about Danley on Everipedia that, according to its edit history, once said that “Geary opened fired [sic] on the 34th floor of the Mandalay Bay toward a concert happening across the street.” The Everipedia article dedicated an entire section to what it alleged were Danley’s political views: more at the link.... [image]https://img.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp-content/uploads/sites/32/2017/10/geary-danley.png[/image] This narrative, backed by no evidence or confirmation of Danley’s involvement in the Las Vegas shooting, spread quickly. That Everipedia post had 77,000 views as of Monday morning, just hours after it was created. It has since been edited and no longer names Danley as the shooter. His personal photos, taken from Facebook, were still plastered all over the page. But even as those rumors were thoroughly, conclusively debunked, this false narrative was picked up in the algorithms that, increasingly, have come to define a person’s public-facing identities. During a search I ran about 9 a.m. Monday, hours after the real shooting suspect — a different person — was identified, the entire first page of Google results for a search for Geary Danley’s full name were links to news sites, YouTube videos, message boards and even several /pol/ threads repeating the rumor about him. There was one exception: a link to Danley’s personal Facebook page. There were no links to debunkings or to any mainstream news outlets that had identified Paddock as the attacker.

WhoreMods -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/2/2017 12:51:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2017/10/02/how-far-right-trolls-named-the-wrong-man-as-the-las-vegas-shooter/ Geary Danley was not the gunman in Las Vegas who killed at least 50 people late Sunday. But for hours on the far-right Internet, would-be sleuths scoured Danley’s Facebook likes, family photographs and marital history to try to “prove” that he was. Danley, according to an archived version of a Facebook page bearing that name, might have been married to a Marilou Danley. Police were looking for a woman by that name in the hours after the shooting, but later said they did not think she was involved. To name someone as a mass murderer based on that evidence would be irresponsible and dangerous. But that’s exactly what a portion of the far-right Internet did overnight. The briefest look at the viral threads and tweets falsely naming Geary Danley as the attacker makes it easy to guess why a bunch of right-wing trolls latched on to him: His Facebook profile indicated that he might be a liberal. Authorities have since identified the gunman as Stephen Paddock, 64, who was later found dead in a hotel room on the Strip. His motives remain unknown. But the fake Danley story presented a complete, desirable package to the elements of the far-right Internet that spread it. That phony story quickly embedded itself into the algorithms of Google and Facebook, where sites promoting the rumor remained at the top of the results for anyone searching for Danley’s name. In excited all-caps, one anonymous user on 4chan’s /pol/ board posted that Danley was a “REGISTERED DEMOCRAT!” The thread spread quickly, as did a crowdsourced wiki page about Danley on Everipedia that, according to its edit history, once said that “Geary opened fired [sic] on the 34th floor of the Mandalay Bay toward a concert happening across the street.” The Everipedia article dedicated an entire section to what it alleged were Danley’s political views: more at the link.... [image]https://img.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp-content/uploads/sites/32/2017/10/geary-danley.png[/image] This narrative, backed by no evidence or confirmation of Danley’s involvement in the Las Vegas shooting, spread quickly. That Everipedia post had 77,000 views as of Monday morning, just hours after it was created. It has since been edited and no longer names Danley as the shooter. His personal photos, taken from Facebook, were still plastered all over the page. But even as those rumors were thoroughly, conclusively debunked, this false narrative was picked up in the algorithms that, increasingly, have come to define a person’s public-facing identities. During a search I ran about 9 a.m. Monday, hours after the real shooting suspect — a different person — was identified, the entire first page of Google results for a search for Geary Danley’s full name were links to news sites, YouTube videos, message boards and even several /pol/ threads repeating the rumor about him. There was one exception: a link to Danley’s personal Facebook page. There were no links to debunkings or to any mainstream news outlets that had identified Paddock as the attacker. That's how harmless old ladies used to get burned at the stake for being witches, isn't it?

heavyblinker -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/2/2017 12:54:07 PM)
So how are they going to start talking about cover-ups, crisis actors and conspiracies when Trump is in the White House? Is the 'deep state' trying to protect the left from retribution here? Maybe Mueller has ordered a cover-up so that it won't hurt the Dems' election chances in 2020, hiding the fact that leftism is an evil ideology that makes people shoot up country music concerts, because.... It just makes so much sense.

tamaka -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/2/2017 12:58:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker So how are they going to start talking about cover-ups, crisis actors and conspiracies when Trump is in the White House? Is the 'deep state' trying to protect the left from retribution here? Maybe Mueller has ordered a cover-up so that it won't hurt the Dems' election chances in 2020, hiding the fact that leftism is an evil ideology that makes people shoot up country music concerts, because.... It just makes so much sense. The dems just lost the 2020 election.

Greta75 -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/2/2017 1:02:37 PM)
I am reading his details on CNN. Rich dude, had money for anything he wanted. Checked in hotel since last Thursday. Had plenty of time to prepare. All weapons were purchased legally. Can't get his mental health records as those are off limits. No criminal records. The closest thing he has to criminal relations is that his father was a wanted man. So really interesting, so sad if it forever remains a mystery why he did this.

heavyblinker -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/2/2017 1:06:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 I am reading his details on CNN. Rich dude, had money for anything he wanted. Checked in hotel since last Thursday. Had plenty of time to prepare. All weapons were purchased legally. Can't get his mental health records as those are off limits. No criminal records. The closest thing he has to criminal relations is that his father was a wanted man. So really interesting, so sad if it forever remains a mystery why he did this. He did it because in the US, anyone at any moment could get drunk, depressed, have a bad dream, or just suddenly snap, take out their legally purchased automatic or semi-automatic weapons of war and kill a bunch of people. That is simply the world that some Americans have chosen to live in.

jlf1961 -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/2/2017 1:13:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr Yes, because all white men like and listen to country music? There's a stereotype that I can help put to grass. Well, not all white men, but I consider country music an American White Men thing! It takes a thick white southern accent to sing a proper country song doesn't it? There are always exceptions to genre. No, it doesnt, there have been country singers from northern states, Canada, Australia and the UK. Again, do you practice being this ignorant or is it natural?

LadyDemura -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/2/2017 1:25:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: heavyblinker quote: ORIGINAL: MercTech There are a few reasons. 1. An armed populace is a last resort against tyranny. It's also the best defense against not getting shot by psychopaths. I thought they'd given up on the tyrant line since the current guy regarding the constitution and bill of rights as a personal affront is a republican? The best defense against not getting shot by psychopaths is not allowing psychopaths to have guns. It also wouldn't hurt if most mentally ill people were actually still hospitalized. I'd say we pretty much already have tyranny with this administration. Government by a handful of out of touch disgusting rich white men that only care about other rich white men seems like tyranny to me. Peaceful protests are barely even allowed.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/2/2017 1:36:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 Well, not all white men, but I consider country music an American White Men thing! It takes a thick white southern accent to sing a proper country song doesn't it? There are always exceptions to genre. No, it doesnt, there have been country singers from northern states, Canada, Australia and the UK. Again, do you practice being this ignorant or is it natural? Back in the late 70s-early 80s, there was a VERY popular country singer (more a cross-over, really) from Brooklyn, U.S.A. He was of Irish ancestry. Y'all might know him as Eddie Rabbit. Michael

tamaka -> RE: Las Vegas shooting unfolding now (10/2/2017 1:38:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr Yes, because all white men like and listen to country music? There's a stereotype that I can help put to grass. Well, not all white men, but I consider country music an American White Men thing! It takes a thick white southern accent to sing a proper country song doesn't it? There are always exceptions to genre. No, it doesnt, there have been country singers from northern states, Canada, Australia and the UK. Again, do you practice being this ignorant or is it natural? No need for personal attacks jlf... wouldn't want you to be a hypocrite.

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