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Drakvampire -> RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing partners to HIV (10/10/2017 11:16:43 PM)

My Good Handsome White Man Trump, with a very high IQ of 30, will not allow you Singaporeans to vote on account of you being filthy black Islamic terrorist scum animals. In your case! Fat, Insane, woebegone with the aids&HIV and rabid rabies and ugly, and shagged a minimum 52 per year (your own words) by your own terrorists filth and yet you try and claim the vote. I am ecstatic they deny your many vernal disease and block your monkey passport. Fucking animal scum.




Greta75 -> RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing partners to HIV (10/10/2017 11:24:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Drakvampire

My Good Handsome White Man Trump, with a very high IQ of 30, will not allow you Singaporeans to vote on account of you being filthy black Islamic terrorist scum animals. In your case! Fat, Insane, woebegone with the aids&HIV and rabid rabies and ugly, and shagged a minimum 52 per year (your own words) by your own terrorists filth and yet you try and claim the vote. I am ecstatic they deny your many vernal disease and block your monkey passport. Fucking animal scum.

I love how I am a Muslim now. That's news to me. And I am black. That's news to me too. I always thought I was yellow.

And you did not just refer to "black people" as monkeys did you? Dude careful. Racism.

I love animals, so I am happy to be associated with one.




Drakvampire -> RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing partners to HIV (10/10/2017 11:27:06 PM)

You are not welcome in America do you understand?




Greta75 -> RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing partners to HIV (10/10/2017 11:28:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Drakvampire
You are not welcome in America do you understand?

Okay, a Scottish dude telling me I am not welcome in the US.

Did I ever even mention that I wanted to be welcome in the US?

Nope, I have always said that, even if US ban Singaporeans, you won't hear me crying about it.

I mean the most recent ISIS video that threatened Prince Harry's life was done by a Singaporean Muslim. I won't blame them if Singaporean got ban because of it.




Dvr22999874 -> RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing partners to HIV (10/11/2017 12:10:10 AM)

greta, I would say this is the same SFB that until recently had Australia as it's place of residence. If so, thank the gods it seems to have relocated to UK. That at least will have raised the average IQ of Australia, although poor old UK must have just gone down quite a few points. Wherever it is that it lives now must be damp and rocky though because you would have to look under a damp, slimy rock to find it.




Drakvampire -> RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing partners to HIV (10/11/2017 12:21:50 AM)

Call him then. Let us know how you get on slut. So many attached pigs I hope thy share them and they call me?

But I do think it is rather lovely you slanty eyed Islamic terrorist scumbags concede you are not worth the vote.
Amen.




Greta75 -> RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing partners to HIV (10/11/2017 2:42:40 AM)

FR

So this is a real life case as to why these people do not deserve their sentence lowered! And this law in California will have reduce this guy's 8 years to only 6 months. And it sounds like, he was doing the spreading intentionally. He is exactly the kind of person you wanna lock up forever, so he doesn't give the gay community a bad name!

HIV hairdresser Darryll Rowe 'boasted of ripped condom'

A hairdresser accused of deliberately infecting his lovers with HIV said "I got you" to one of them, a court heard.

Darryll Rowe, 26, denies infecting four men from the Brighton area with the virus and attempting to give it to a further six.

Lewes Crown Court heard he bombarded his second victim with texts and calls after the pair had sex.

During one call, jurors heard, Mr Rowe said: "I ripped the condom. Burn. I got you."




WhoreMods -> RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing partners to HIV (10/11/2017 2:43:33 AM)


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ORIGINAL: JVoV

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: JVoV
But for consensual sex, unfortunately, it takes two to tango.

Very true, but would you willingly tango with somebody who only wants to dance with you to give you an incurable social disease?


No, but I know how safe sex works. I'm also not inclined to help someone cheat on their spouse or lover, but not everyone's honest about that either.

The act is still a crime. I would imagine it disproportionately effects gay men, just as the disease itself has. But never mind that.

The primary issue being ignored is that California is legally obligated to reduce prison overcrowding, and overhaul their prison parole system. That is going to mean reduced sentences for many nonviolent crimes, extra reduced time for good behavior, early parole eligibility, etc. Google Prop 57.

All true, but I'd question that deliberately infecting somebody with a disease that could kill them is a nonviolent crime. If it's transmitted by sticking somebody with a needle, rather than playing hide the sausage with them, is it still considered nonviolent?




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing partners to HIV (10/11/2017 5:28:54 AM)

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So California legislators are having to update many laws, and adjusting sentences, as a more long-term solution to prison overcrowding.

And this just happens to be a stupid one to adjust.




LadyPact -> RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing partners to HIV (10/11/2017 7:16:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: JVoV
Sex isn't always about kink. But as a gay man, I don't think I can risk the luxury of trust without verification regarding my partner's HIV status. I have to assume that if it's not a committed relationship, and they're wanting to bareback with me, then there's a high probability that they've done so or are doing so with others. Also, knowing myself as I do, I would likely be too emotionally distraught upon learning of an HIV infection to worry about dealing with prosecution. And did he even tell me his real name? Was I supposed to check his ID? Run a credit check maybe?

It may also be important to note that I do have my own trust issues, and don't have much faith in monogamy.

Again, I am on a pill each day for PReP (Pre-Exposure Prophylaxis). A quick visual inspection of any partner's junk for warts or sores can be played off as a part of foreplay, but seems necessary since there are other STDs aside from HIV. Outside of a relationship, and a very select few, I always use condoms. More because I have no way of knowing whether the dude is 'spring fresh' or has eaten a gallon of chunky peanut butter in the last day or so. This is nonnegotiable. If they want to swallow when it's time, I'm OK with that.

Thank you for the lovely mental picture. [8D]

No, sex isn't always about kink but the premise is the same. Prosecution on this matter has been about people who knowingly spread the disease. Not about people who were unaware of their own status. The former is a type of criminal negligence while the latter is not. Lowering this to a misdemeanor on the idea that it's better for the reduction of the prison overcrowding problem isn't much of a consolation for those who will have to deal with the disease for life.

The decriminalization for blood donations is reasonable, as we've had proper blood testing for decades. Unlike in the 80's, infected blood isn't getting to patients, so anybody who has an actual intent of infecting others that way isn't going to get very far. It's obsolete.







JVoV -> RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing partners to HIV (10/11/2017 7:25:32 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75

FR

So this is a real life case as to why these people do not deserve their sentence lowered! And this law in California will have reduce this guy's 8 years to only 6 months. And it sounds like, he was doing the spreading intentionally. He is exactly the kind of person you wanna lock up forever, so he doesn't give the gay community a bad name!

HIV hairdresser Darryll Rowe 'boasted of ripped condom'

A hairdresser accused of deliberately infecting his lovers with HIV said "I got you" to one of them, a court heard.

Darryll Rowe, 26, denies infecting four men from the Brighton area with the virus and attempting to give it to a further six.

Lewes Crown Court heard he bombarded his second victim with texts and calls after the pair had sex.

During one call, jurors heard, Mr Rowe said: "I ripped the condom. Burn. I got you."



I hope you realize I'm not going to try to defend this sleezeball. Each offense is a separate crime, so hopefully that means consecutive sentences for each one.




JVoV -> RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing partners to HIV (10/11/2017 8:11:03 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: JVoV
Sex isn't always about kink. But as a gay man, I don't think I can risk the luxury of trust without verification regarding my partner's HIV status. I have to assume that if it's not a committed relationship, and they're wanting to bareback with me, then there's a high probability that they've done so or are doing so with others. Also, knowing myself as I do, I would likely be too emotionally distraught upon learning of an HIV infection to worry about dealing with prosecution. And did he even tell me his real name? Was I supposed to check his ID? Run a credit check maybe?

It may also be important to note that I do have my own trust issues, and don't have much faith in monogamy.

Again, I am on a pill each day for PReP (Pre-Exposure Prophylaxis). A quick visual inspection of any partner's junk for warts or sores can be played off as a part of foreplay, but seems necessary since there are other STDs aside from HIV. Outside of a relationship, and a very select few, I always use condoms. More because I have no way of knowing whether the dude is 'spring fresh' or has eaten a gallon of chunky peanut butter in the last day or so. This is nonnegotiable. If they want to swallow when it's time, I'm OK with that.

Thank you for the lovely mental picture. [8D]

No, sex isn't always about kink but the premise is the same. Prosecution on this matter has been about people who knowingly spread the disease. Not about people who were unaware of their own status. The former is a type of criminal negligence while the latter is not. Lowering this to a misdemeanor on the idea that it's better for the reduction of the prison overcrowding problem isn't much of a consolation for those who will have to deal with the disease for life.

The decriminalization for blood donations is reasonable, as we've had proper blood testing for decades. Unlike in the 80's, infected blood isn't getting to patients, so anybody who has an actual intent of infecting others that way isn't going to get very far. It's obsolete.





The law isn't about consolation; that's what therapists are for, and they're needed by people infected by partners that weren't aware of their status as well. The law is also not about revenge, because what could ever be enough when it's you or a loved one that's been infected? The best we can hope for with any law is a bit of punishment, and for the behavior(s) to be stopped.

The only change in the law that I would recommend is that anyone who is convicted be registered as a sex offender, and all that that entails.

As for blood donations, since blood lasts 42 days, there is ample time for an incubation period of 14 days for accurate testing to be done before any donations proceed to the next stage. I won't say that a waiting period isn't necessary for gay & bisexual men between their last sexual activity and the time they can donate, but a year is too much, and quite frankly, everyone that is sexually active should have to abstain for a designated period before they can donate, be it 14 or 30 days, with exceptions being made only in extreme emergencies, for specific blood types, and regular donors that have consistently tested clean.

And yeah, any breakdown in the safety of our blood supply at this point will be caused by lackadaisical testing measures, or an internal terrorist.




Danemora -> RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing partners to HIV (10/11/2017 9:29:41 AM)

~FRing it~

Whether its liked or not, prison overcrowding is a serious problem in the US and there are Constitutional protections in place regarding incarceration. People want everyone who breaks the law to serve time, but there isnt enough prison space or money to do it. California, like other states, is between a rock and a hard place.

It might get one up in arms that California has reduced knowingly infecting others with HIV and it may be no consolation to the person infected, but is 8 years behind bars (the old law) really any consolation either? 8 years under the old law sure as shit wouldnt bring me consolation. Still wouldnt magically revert my HIV status to non-infected even if they served the full 8 years for knowingly infecting me.

Shall we keep the HIV infected person incarcerated at the expense of...say...releasing another violent felon into the community so we can free up the bed space? You cant pack 10,000 in a space designed to hold 5,000. So who should we let go free to make sure those who knowingly spread HIV serve a full sentence? My answer would be non-violent drug offenders...but people have a real hard-on for punishing those types with sentences like mandatory minimum.






LadyPact -> RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing partners to HIV (10/11/2017 9:58:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: JVoV
The law isn't about consolation; that's what therapists are for, and they're needed by people infected by partners that weren't aware of their status as well. The law is also not about revenge, because what could ever be enough when it's you or a loved one that's been infected? The best we can hope for with any law is a bit of punishment, and for the behavior(s) to be stopped.

The law is for punishment of criminal behavior. We incarcerate people so they can not continue to commit crimes against members of society. Somebody with the intent to harm others should pay the penalty, and if nothing else, be removed from society so that additional people aren't harmed.

Therapy for the person who was the victim of an intentional crime is a completely different subject than what should happen to the perpetrator. Even *if* we are going to talk about that, you also have to consider the different needs of a victim where the damage to the person was through actions where no malice was intended as compared to those where there was a deliberate, specific attempt of harm.

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The only change in the law that I would recommend is that anyone who is convicted be registered as a sex offender, and all that that entails.

I won't give you too much crap on this one. I'm going to assume that you mean it to include any additional charges that would be in conjunction with this law/sentencing, such as sexual assault of any type, coercion, or anything more than the single count.

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As for blood donations, since blood lasts 42 days, there is ample time for an incubation period of 14 days for accurate testing to be done before any donations proceed to the next stage. I won't say that a waiting period isn't necessary for gay & bisexual men between their last sexual activity and the time they can donate, but a year is too much, and quite frankly, everyone that is sexually active should have to abstain for a designated period before they can donate, be it 14 or 30 days, with exceptions being made only in extreme emergencies, for specific blood types, and regular donors that have consistently tested clean.

I think you might be focusing on this more than what we're really talking about with the felony being changed to a misdemeanor, and the resulting lighter sentencing. If I'm reading correctly, what goes into effect on Jan 1 is removing the blood donation aspect.




Wayward5oul -> RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing partners to HIV (10/11/2017 10:40:07 AM)

Greta, chill out. You are getting all upset over this, something that will never affect you, and you keep calling it a death sentence. It may be a death sentence in Singapore, since insurance won't cover meds there. But that isn't the case here. So quit arguing about how the law should be here because of what would happen in Singapore.




bounty44 -> RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing partners to HIV (10/11/2017 10:58:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75


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ORIGINAL: Drakvampire
You are not welcome in America do you understand?

Okay, a Scottish dude telling me I am not welcome in the US.

Did I ever even mention that I wanted to be welcome in the US?

Nope, I have always said that, even if US ban Singaporeans, you won't hear me crying about it.

I mean the most recent ISIS video that threatened Prince Harry's life was done by a Singaporean Muslim. I won't blame them if Singaporean got ban because of it.


greta, im always puzzled when people try to carry on a rational discussion with a guy who has lost contact with reality.




tamaka -> RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing partners to HIV (10/11/2017 11:05:46 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874

greta, I would say this is the same SFB that until recently had Australia as it's place of residence. If so, thank the gods it seems to have relocated to UK. That at least will have raised the average IQ of Australia, although poor old UK must have just gone down quite a few points. Wherever it is that it lives now must be damp and rocky though because you would have to look under a damp, slimy rock to find it.


Evidently not.




Greta75 -> RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing partners to HIV (10/11/2017 6:35:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: JVoV


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ORIGINAL: Greta75

FR

So this is a real life case as to why these people do not deserve their sentence lowered! And this law in California will have reduce this guy's 8 years to only 6 months. And it sounds like, he was doing the spreading intentionally. He is exactly the kind of person you wanna lock up forever, so he doesn't give the gay community a bad name!

HIV hairdresser Darryll Rowe 'boasted of ripped condom'

A hairdresser accused of deliberately infecting his lovers with HIV said "I got you" to one of them, a court heard.

Darryll Rowe, 26, denies infecting four men from the Brighton area with the virus and attempting to give it to a further six.

Lewes Crown Court heard he bombarded his second victim with texts and calls after the pair had sex.

During one call, jurors heard, Mr Rowe said: "I ripped the condom. Burn. I got you."



I hope you realize I'm not going to try to defend this sleezeball. Each offense is a separate crime, so hopefully that means consecutive sentences for each one.

You know, it's not true that, they are changing the severity of this crime because of prison overcrowding. The reason why they are reducing it is, according to the article i post on the OP:

both Democrats, argued California law was outdated and stigmatized people living with HIV,


And essentially, the dems are saying that, prosecuting people like this Brit asshole with a heavy sentence who is intentionally spreading HIV through Grindr will stigmatize ALL HIV sufferers.

Nothing about Prison Overcrowding.

That is what is stupid about this decision.
The rationale and logic of this decision does not even make sense.

Because these Dem politicians, like some of you guys here who are more left leaning, interpretes "knowingly" as the same word as "unknowingly".

There is no innocent being prosecuted in this law. It is meant to punish HIV sufferers like the Brit Hairdresser who knowingly and intentionally went out to spread his HIV.




Greta75 -> RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing partners to HIV (10/11/2017 6:41:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

Greta, chill out. You are getting all upset over this, something that will never affect you, and you keep calling it a death sentence. It may be a death sentence in Singapore, since insurance won't cover meds there. But that isn't the case here. So quit arguing about how the law should be here because of what would happen in Singapore.

Anything that US sets an example of, will start being proposed in other parts of the world. Eventually we will have some dumb opposition here promoting this too here. Our opposition very often use what Europe or US does, as an example to form their policies of what they believe in. One day, they could be in power. But hopefully not in my life time.




Danemora -> RE: California reduce penalties for knowingly exposing partners to HIV (10/11/2017 6:43:02 PM)

Its called critical thinking, Greta. You should try it sometime. Think beyond what you read at bigger picture shit sometimes.

If you reduce the sentence time, that means what? It clears up prison space to house people. While its heinous to intentionally infect someone with HIV, there are crimes that are even more violent and those folks NEED to be behind bars. Im sure Singapore just shoves criminals into shithole prisons until the seams on the buildings burst, but we here in the US have to follow the US Constitution when it comes to treatment under incarceration. You cannot do in the US what is done in Singapore




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