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Yet another Trump lie. - 10/20/2017 12:07:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		The fuckwit is at it again, this time linking Islam to crime with another disingenuous and scaremongering claim.

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Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump

Just out report: "United Kingdom crime rises 13% annually amid spread of Radical Islamic terror." Not good, we must keep America safe!
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RE: Yet another Trump lie. - 10/20/2017 1:58:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

The fuckwit is at it again, this time linking Islam to crime with another disingenuous and scaremongering claim.

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Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump

Just out report: "United Kingdom crime rises 13% annually amid spread of Radical Islamic terror." Not good, we must keep America safe!
3:31 am - 20 Oct 2017




Quite odd isn't it, apparently an absolute crime rise in hate crimes... Usually done by those creeps from the EDL

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RE: Yet another Trump lie. - 10/20/2017 2:13:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

The fuckwit is at it again, this time linking Islam to crime with another disingenuous and scaremongering claim.

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Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump

Just out report: "United Kingdom crime rises 13% annually amid spread of Radical Islamic terror." Not good, we must keep America safe!
3:31 am - 20 Oct 2017



There's no point in being charitable any more, is there? He's a cretin, or he knows his supporters are cretins and won't know any better ... or maybe a combination. Whatever. This is just brainless bollocks.


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RE: Yet another Trump lie. - 10/20/2017 2:21:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

The fuckwit is at it again, this time linking Islam to crime with another disingenuous and scaremongering claim.

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Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump

Just out report: "United Kingdom crime rises 13% annually amid spread of Radical Islamic terror." Not good, we must keep America safe!
3:31 am - 20 Oct 2017



There's no point in being charitable any more, is there? He's a cretin, or he knows his supporters are cretins and won't know any better ... or maybe a combination. Whatever. This is just brainless bollocks.



We won.

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RE: Yet another Trump lie. - 10/20/2017 2:24:06 PM   
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We won.


Yep. Enjoy your prize.

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RE: Yet another Trump lie. - 10/20/2017 2:32:14 PM   
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RE: Yet another Trump lie. - 10/20/2017 3:28:42 PM   
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We won the Supreme Court.


Tell us just what you won with that, and what you propose to do with it.

You and your ilk have been shitting your pants forever, and now you are glad that, at last, Trump emptied your collective britches and flushed the whole mess on society. Congrats.

Aside from that (and I'm sure it was a great relief) . . .

What are you going to actually DO with it- you yourself, the "we" you speak of?

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RE: Yet another Trump lie. - 10/20/2017 4:07:24 PM   
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RE: Yet another Trump lie. - 10/20/2017 4:36:08 PM   
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RE: Yet another Trump lie. - 10/20/2017 5:36:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		in case anyones interested in general; these are the links to the report in question, from which one can download excel files with the relevant data:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/datasets/crimeinenglandandwalesquarterlydatatables

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/datasets/crimeinenglandandwalesbulletintables

theres so much data its tough at the moment to tell exactly what trump is referring to.

however, the first link provides a row that is "violence against the person."

the groupings are by quarter going back to Jul '15 to Sep '15 " to Apr '17 to Jun' 17

here are the corresponding numbers (I don't know how the numbers are reckoned):

248.2 254.4 253.5 277.6 290.3 296.8 303.2 338.9

the homicide numbers, which appear to be more or less the same from quarter to quarter, also include for the last quarter:

"The homicide figure for quarter ending June 2017 includes 22 homicide victims of the Manchester Arena bombing, and 13 homicide victims of the London Bridge/Borough Market and Westminster attacks."

some others:

Sexual offences 26.1 26.3 27.8 28.8 29.0 30.3 33.0 37.4

Robbery 12.6 13.3 12.8 12.7 14.5 15.9 16.3 17.9

Theft offences 439.5 449.2 424.8 440.7 469.6 484.7 482.6 503.1

Criminal damage and arson 133.3 137.6 132.7 137.5 140.8 145.0 140.7 152.1

OTHER CRIMES AGAINST SOCIETY 112.9 109.7 109.5 124.9 132.1 132.2 138.3 158.7

TOTAL RECORDED CRIME ALL OFFENCES 972.6 990.5 961.2 1022.3 1076.3 1105.0 1114.2 1208.0

with little exception, the largest jump from quarter to quarter took place during the last quarter.

theres also this:

Figure 2: The volume of violent crime being dealt with by the police has increased over the last few years (from the past 15 yrs). its going to be tough to read.

Total violence 708,742 799,247 845,673 838,674 814,865 748,779 709,008 699,011 665,486 626,720 601,141 634,625 778,172 1,033,719 1,229,260
Violence with injury 371,774 457,223 514,638 543,044 505,848 451,806 420,184 400,703 367,847 337,709 311,740 322,362 373,509 438,980 480,748
Violence without injury 302,450 300,090 277,569 237,218 249,632 241,226 236,943 241,818 243,426 238276 232,466 248,616 317,166 415,229 504,051
Stalking & harassment 33,002 40,522 52,117 57,192 58,150 54,531 50,758 55,329 53,144 49,766 56,032 62,656 86,368 178,162 243,086


this might be where he's getting the 13% from:

VICTIM-BASED CRIME 3,942,095 -18 14 13 (the numbers are percent differences from three time periods compared to this last year. the last number is the immediate year prior)

within that theres a category:

Violence with injury 480,748 -5 42 10 (so a ten percent increase this past year compared to the year prior)

or maybe this:

TOTAL RECORDED CRIME - ALL OFFENCES INCLUDING FRAUD9 88 5,156,928 -5 18 13

things don't seem to be going well in the uk crime wise.









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RE: Yet more leftist ignorance. - 10/20/2017 5:44:06 PM   
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things don't seem to be going well in the uk crime wise.



And it takes an American president to enlighten the ignorant little islanders regarding their own crime spree

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RE: Yet another leftist lie. - 10/20/2017 5:51:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		that could be true, but i think its unfortunate he joined the phrase "Islamic terror" to it without being able to elaborate, or to make a necessary distinction.

no doubt it'll be something talked and raged about over the coming days.

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RE: Yet another Trump lie. - 10/20/2017 5:59:58 PM   
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TOTAL RECORDED CRIME - ALL OFFENCES INCLUDING FRAUD9 88 5,156,928 -5 18 13


I'm having trouble finding in those figures where it says terror-related crimes have increased by 13%, Bounty. Could you point it out, please?



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RE: Yet more leftist ignorance. - 10/20/2017 6:01:20 PM   
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And it takes an American president to enlighten the ignorant little islanders regarding their own crime spree


Well, off you go and find one, then.

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RE: Yet another Trump lie. - 10/20/2017 6:13:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

The fuckwit is at it again, this time linking Islam to crime with another disingenuous and scaremongering claim.

quote:

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump

Just out report: "United Kingdom crime rises 13% annually amid spread of Radical Islamic terror." Not good, we must keep America safe!
3:31 am - 20 Oct 2017



One of real world conceptual icebergs that crashed into public consciousness scattering the "Islam immigrants bring crime" meme all over the civilized world was Rotheram.

At least 1,400 children were subjected to appalling sexual exploitation in Rotherham between 1997 and 2013, a report has found.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28939089

More recently, the huge wave of itinerant immigration has created serious issues in the EU.
Tell the people of Marseilles that a major influx of Islamic immigrants doesn't have an effect on the crime rate.

https://www.thetoptens.com/most-dangerous-cities-europe/marseille-france-551937.asp

https://www.thelocal.fr/20150917/marseille-murder-capital-or-must-see

https://www.smartertravel.com/2017/02/22/tips-marseille-warnings-dangers-stay-safe/

http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/214086/french-city-40-muslim-population-most-dangerous-daniel-greenfield

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RE: Yet another leftist lie. - 10/20/2017 6:31:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		President Donald Trump linked a 13% increase in crime in parts of the United Kingdom last year to "radical Islamic terror" on Friday morning, but the full picture is considerably more nuanced.
The report, published by the government's Office for National Statistics (ONS) on Oct. 19, shows that police recorded 5.2 million offences in England and Wales in the year to June 2017, up from 4.6 million the previous year, with violent offenses experiencing a 19% rise.
One day after the report was published, the President tweeted: "Just out report: 'United Kingdom crime rises 13% annually amid spread of Radical Islamic terror.' Not good, we must keep America safe!", a tweet that at the time of writing had already received thousands of retweets and tens of thousands of likes.

However, Trump's tweet presents an incomplete and somewhat distorted picture (and the numbers in fact cover only England and Wales, as opposed to the entire U.K). While the data does show a 13% increase in police recorded crime from the previous year, the report is clear to state that the rise "reflects a range of factors including continuing improvements to crime recording." Knife crime and sexual assault offenses increased sharply, the report notes.

The only area of the report that specifically mentions terrorist attacks is on homicide rates. And although the number of attempted murder offenses substantially increased, largely due to the terrorist attacks by Islamic extremists in London and Manchester in 2017, the report is clear to state that the total number of homicides recorded in the year to June 2017 actually fell by 2% compared with the previous year.

By way of comparison, while the current homicide rate in England and Wales is 11 homicides per one million of the population, the U.S. has an intentional homicide rate of five homicides per 100,000 people, according to the World Bank. Of the 664 recorded homicides in England and Wales, 35 related to the aforementioned terrorist attacks by Islamic extremists.

According to the ONS report, offences involving knives or sharp instruments increased by 26% compared with the previous year and sexual assault increased by 38%. Fraud offenses recorded by police in England and Wales also increased by 4%, although the report stated the rise was largely owing to greater reporting of such crimes.The report was released two days after the government published statistics on hate crimes and racist incidents recorded by the police, which showed a 29% spike in recorded hate crimes (including any crime motivated by religion, race, sexuality, disability or transgender identity) in the 12 months before March 2017 compared to the same period between 2015-16. This period did not include the terrorist attacks in Manchester, or at London Bridge.

http://time.com/4990815/trump-crime-uk-radical-islamic-terror/

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RE: Yet another leftist lie. - 10/20/2017 7:14:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yep, a tweet that is factual but incomplete due to bevity, not nuanced at all, is lambasted for being incomplete on TWITTER!!!

Parse the tweet, please...
> UK crime rate up 13% - assertion in a social venue. Is the crime rate actually up? Research needed.
> amid spread of Radical Islamic terror. - Well, yeah. But is the correlation an indication of causation? Research needed.
> Not good - I have no problem with calling the two previous bullets "not good"
> we must keep America safe! - Coming from a person that swore an oath to "protect and defend from enemies both foreign and domestic" (paraphrase of the oath, in case you can't see that) Trump had better be doing that.

Personally, I've considered Twitter to be a worthless platform for doing anything more that screaming "Mommy, Look at MEEEEEE!" to a plethora of followers from the very beginnings. (That was the 90s for me when I had the misfortune to be talked into beta testing the original Twitter desktop application.)

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RE: Yet another leftist lie. - 10/20/2017 8:10:54 PM   
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