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vincentML -> RE: First charges filed in Mueller investigation (10/30/2017 2:16:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: Danemora

~FRing it~

A Papadopolous timeline...

New details about an early Trump adviser completely change the timeline of Russia's election interference

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George Papadopoulos, an early foreign policy adviser and aide to President Donald Trump's campaign team, was told that Moscow had dirt on Hillary Clinton in April 2016, newly unsealed court documents show.
ction interference.





All I can say is yikes


Sounds like Papadopoulos tried very hard to get the Trump campaign to talk to Russians and was ignored despite the persistence.

So, they all met in the Trump Tower room to discuss orphans????? [8|][8|] [sm=happy-smiley58.gif]




Danemora -> RE: First charges filed in Mueller investigation (10/30/2017 2:19:16 PM)

We're probably supposed to pretend that meeting never took place...otherwise it shatters Ninja's belief that nothing came of Papadopolous' persistence.




Nnanji -> RE: First charges filed in Mueller investigation (10/30/2017 2:20:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


quote:

ORIGINAL: Danemora

~FRing it~

A Papadopolous timeline...

New details about an early Trump adviser completely change the timeline of Russia's election interference

quote:

George Papadopoulos, an early foreign policy adviser and aide to President Donald Trump's campaign team, was told that Moscow had dirt on Hillary Clinton in April 2016, newly unsealed court documents show.
ction interference.





All I can say is yikes


Sounds like Papadopoulos tried very hard to get the Trump campaign to talk to Russians and was ignored despite the persistence.

So, they all met in the Trump Tower room to discuss orphans????? [8|][8|] [sm=happy-smiley58.gif]

Can you point to something in the article that says the campaign agreed to go with Papadopoulos's suggestions?




Nnanji -> RE: First charges filed in Mueller investigation (10/30/2017 2:22:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Danemora

We're probably supposed to pretend that meeting never took place...otherwise it shatters Ninja's belief that nothing came of Papadopolous' persistence.

Oh dear, I'm sorry. Did shedding light on what the article you posted actually said lead you to project I have shattered beliefs?




Danemora -> RE: First charges filed in Mueller investigation (10/30/2017 2:26:53 PM)

Not particularly. Im used to how you operate. You keep referring to the article. While the words "we acted on Papadopolus' persistence" werent there...it doesnt say his persistence didnt pay off either, love. Papadopolous was a Trump campaign advisor...so he was just as much a part of the Trump camp as Manafort and others are. Ironically Manafort was emailed before he became campaign manager...and lookie, lookie...a meeting with the Trump boys, Manafort, and a Russian happened after Manafort had already gotten a heads up previously that the Ruskies had dirt on HRC.

Tip of the crooked iceberg, Ninja. And a bunch of little rats are already beginning to jump from the leaky ship now




Nnanji -> RE: First charges filed in Mueller investigation (10/30/2017 2:40:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Danemora

Not particularly. Im used to how you operate. You keep referring to the article. While the words "we acted on Papadopolus' persistence" werent there...it doesnt say his persistence didnt pay off either, love. Ironically Manafort was emailed before he became campaign manager...and lookie, lookie...a meeting with the Trump boys, Manafort, and a Russian happened after Manafort had already gotten a heads up previously that the Ruskies had dirt on HRC.

Tip of the crooked iceberg, Ninja. And a bunch of little rats are already beginning to jump from the leaky ship now

How is it that I operate?




Danemora -> RE: First charges filed in Mueller investigation (10/30/2017 2:41:27 PM)

Deflection....thy name is Ninja




Nnanji -> RE: First charges filed in Mueller investigation (10/30/2017 2:44:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Danemora

Deflection....thy name is Ninja

Hum.




Danemora -> RE: First charges filed in Mueller investigation (10/30/2017 2:46:38 PM)

Papadopolous was part of the Trump campaign as an advisor...therefore the Trump campaign acted on Papadopolous' persistence since he did end up meeting with "The Professor" in London.




Nnanji -> RE: First charges filed in Mueller investigation (10/30/2017 3:27:13 PM)

~FR~

Here's one review of the Manafort indictment.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/453244/manafort-indictment-no-signs-trump-russia-collusion




Nnanji -> RE: First charges filed in Mueller investigation (10/30/2017 3:34:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Danemora

Papadopolous was part of the Trump campaign as an advisor...therefore the Trump campaign acted on Papadopolous' persistence since he did end up meeting with "The Professor" in London.

Hum, is that how you see it? I believe the article stated Papadopolous met the "Professor" and then became persistent, which, then, everyone else in the campaign seems to have ignored. I'll have to go reread the article. Does the article state how or why Papadopolous came to meet with the "Professor"? If he was sent by the campaign and then ignored by the campaign that would be odd.




Danemora -> RE: First charges filed in Mueller investigation (10/30/2017 3:38:05 PM)

Everyone in the campaign didnt ignore it though. As foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign, Papadopolous didnt. But please, twist like a puppet on strings in the wind if you wish. Its a cute look




Danemora -> RE: First charges filed in Mueller investigation (10/30/2017 3:43:42 PM)

Why George Papadopoulos' guilty plea is a much bigger problem for Trump than the Manafort indictment

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(CNN)Even as President Trump was on Twitter insisting that the indictment of former campaign chairman Paul Manafort was meaningless because it involved activities unrelated to Trump or the campaign came news that former Trump foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos had pled guilty to lying to the FBI about his contacts with, wait for it, Russia.

The Manafort news drew the bigger headlines Monday morning -- understandable given his high-profile role at the top of the Trump campaign. But, the Papadopoulos guilty plea -- and the fact that he has been cooperating with the special counsel investigation since his July arrest -- strikes me as significantly more problematic for Trump and his White House in the medium-to-long term.

This paragraph from the FBI's guilty plea agreement with Papadopoulos is incredible:

"In truth and in fact, however, and as set forth above, defendant PAPADOPOULOS met the Professor for the first time on or about March 14, 2016, after defendant PAPADOPOULOS had already learned he would be a foreign policy advisor for the Campaign; the Professor showed interest in defendant PAPADOPOULOS only after learning of his role on the Campaign; and the Professor told defendant PAPADOPOULOS about the Russians possessing" dirt" on then-candidate Clinton in late April 2016, more than a month after defendant PAPADOPOULOS had joined the Campaign."

So, Papadopoulos copped to lying to the FBI about the timing of his contacts with Russians. In his initial interview in January 2017, Papadopoulos was insistent that he had reached out to his foreign contact "The Professor" (amazing!) before he had formally joined the Trump presidential campaign. He was arrested in July, pleaded guilty in October and appears to have been cooperating in between.

And, most importantly the "Professor" only showed interest in Papadopoulos after it became known that he was employed by the Trump campaign.

That. Is. A. Very. Big. Deal.

The obvious question is why Papadopolous initially lied to the FBI -- despite being warned that doing so would have major consequences. Why, if there was nothing to hide about his relationship -- or attempted relationship with Russian officials -- would Papadopoulos feel the need to put himself in serious legal jeopardy by lying about the timing of his conversations with "the Professor"?

We don't know the answer to that question. But, we do know one reason why Papadopoulos was pursuing the relationship with the Russians; he believed they had "dirt" on Hillary Clinton. This, again from Papadopoulos' plea agreement, makes that plain:

"On or about April 26, 2016, defendant PAPADOPOULOS met the Professor for breakfast at a London hotel. During this meeting, the Professor told defendant PAPADOPOULOS that he had just returned from a trip to Moscow where he had met with high-level Russian government officials. The Professor told defendant PAPADOPOULOS that on that trip he (the Professor) learned that the Russians had obtained "dirt" on then-candidate Clinton. The Professor told defendant PAPADOPOULOS, as defendant PAPADOPOULOS later described to the FBI, that "They [the Russians] have dirt on her"; "the Russians had emails of Clinton"; "they have thousands of emails."

The broad goal of the Russian contact with Papadopoulos was to get Trump to visit Russia during the campaign -- a visit where he would huddle with Russian officials and maybe even meet with Russian President Vladimir Putin. Obviously, that trip never happened.

So, to recap:

1. "The Professor" only expressed interest in Papadopoulos after it became clear that he would play a role in the Trump campaign as a foreign policy advisor.

2. Papadopoulos lied about the timing of his interactions with "The Professor." Those lies were aimed at suggesting the interactions came before Papadopoulos was an adviser to the Trump campaign. But, in fact, those interactions werebecause Papadopoulos worked for Trump, not in spite of them

3. Papadopoulos' interactions with "The Professor" were driven by the promise of "dirt" on Clinton in the from of "thousands of emails" regarding Clinton.

4. Papadopoulos seems to have been cooperating with special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation since July.

Given all of that, it's much harder for Trump and his allies to dismiss Papadopoulos than Manafort. What's more, court documents make clear he was in contact with high-ranking campaign officials about his contacts with the Russians. A senior former campaign adviser told CNN's Gloria Borger that Papadopoulos was not a major player.

"He was a zero. A non-event," the adviser said.

But, what Papadopolous has already admitted to doing -- lying to the FBI about his conversations with Russian operatives regarding "dirt" on Trump's general election opponent -- is a very big deal. A bigger deal -- in terms of the investigation into Russia's attempted meddling in the election and allegations of collusion -- than the dozen counts laid out in the Manafort indictment.

And the day is still young!




Danemora -> RE: First charges filed in Mueller investigation (10/30/2017 4:04:04 PM)

Ex-Trump Adviser George Papadopoulos Pleads Guilty in Mueller’s Russia Probe

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A former Trump campaign adviser struck a cooperation agreement with Special Counsel Robert Mueller, secretly pleading guilty three weeks ago to lying to federal agents about his contacts with Kremlin-connected Russians.

The bombshell announcement about George Papadopoulos, 30, came shortly after indictments against former campaign chair Paul Manafort and Manafort associate Rick Gates were unsealed, alleging financial crimes that predated Trump's candidacy.

Court documents unsealed Monday in the Papadopoulos case refer to unnamed campaign officials who were aware he was trying to set up a meeting between Trump and the Russians. Two sources familiar with the charges said one of the officials is Manafort, who authored a key email about Papadopoulos' efforts.

"We need someone to communicate that DT is not doing these trips," the email said, according to the documents. "It should be someone low level in the campaign so as not to send any signal."

White House press secretary Sarah Sanders said Monday that Papadopoulos had an "extremely limited" role with the campaign. "It was a volunteer position and again, no activity was ever done in an official capacity on behalf of the campaign in that regard," she said at a briefing.

However, the court papers reveal that a Trump campaign supervisor, who was not named, encouraged Papadopoulos to make a trip to Russia for an off-the-record meeting with Russian officials "if it is feasible."

The documents suggest that foreign nationals with ties to the Russian government were seeking to establish a relationship with at least one campaign official, offering "dirt" on Hillary Clinton. And the documents outline how Papadopoulos, when questioned about those associations, lied.

"Through his false statements and omissions, defendant ... impeded the FBI's ongoing investigation into the existence of any links or coordination between individuals associated with the Campaign and the Russian government's efforts to interfere with the 2016 presidential election," Mueller's team wrote.

In his first interview with the FBI, Papadopoulos claimed that he made the contacts before Trump named him as a member of his campaign foreign policy team in March 2016 and called him an "excellent guy." He actually began communicating with them after he joined the campaign as an energy expert.

Days later, while attending what was billed as a "national security meeting" with Trump, Papadopoulos told the group he had connections that could lead to a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin, the court papers say.

During the FBI interview, Papadopoulos downplayed the importance of the communications, saying that a professor living in London was "a nothing," while a Russian woman had been emailing him just to say, "Hi, how are you?"

In reality, the professor, identified by the Washington Post as Joseph Mifsud of the London Academy of Diplomacy, had told Papadopoulos that Russians had "dirt" on Hillary Clinton.

"They have thousands of emails," the professor said, according to the documents — well before it was widely understood that Russia had hacked the Democrats.

The professor introduced Papadopoulos to a Russian who said he was close to officials at the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs. That contact, identified by the Washington Post as Ivan Timofeev of the Russian International Affairs Council, then spoke with Papadopoulos over Skype about laying the groundwork for a meeting between the campaign and officials in Moscow, prosecutors said.

The Russian woman — whom Papadopoulos mistakenly described in an email as the niece of Russian President Vladimir Putin — also tried to arrange a meeting between the Trump campaign and Russian government officials, the documents say.

Frank Figliuzzi, a former head of counterintelligence at the FBI, said on MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell Reports that the Papadopoulos complaint portrays an effort by people likely connected to Russian intelligence to infiltrate the Trump campaign.

"He may not have actually understood who he was dealing with, but this has the fingerprints of Russian intelligence all over it," Figliuzzi said.

Papadopoulos communicated with a "campaign supervisor" about his attempts to broker a meeting with the Russians to discuss U.S.-Russia ties during a Trump presidency, the court papers say.

"Great work," the supervisor, who was not named in the documents, told him in an email.

After he was first questioned by the FBI, Papadopoulos deactivated a Facebook account that had information about his communications with the foreign nationals, and he also got a new cellphone number, prosecutors said.

Papadopoulos, who spent 11 months on the Trump campaign after working for Ben Carson's campaign, was arrested in July 2017 when he got off a plane in Washington. The DePaul University graduate pleaded guilty on Oct. 5.

His plea agreement says the government will inform the sentencing judge of his "efforts to cooperate with the Government, on the condition that your client continues to respond and provide information regarding any and all matters as to which the Government deems relevant."

Papadopoulos' attorneys said in a statement that they would have no comment.

"We will have the opportunity to comment on George’s involvement when called upon by the Court at a later date," the statement said. "We look forward to presenting all the facts that led to the events that resulted in this charge."

Mifsud, the London-based professor, did respond to inquiries from NBC News. He had previously told the Washington Post that he had "absolutely no contact" with the Russian government. Timofeev also could not be reached for comment. In an earlier interview with a Russian news outlet, he said Papadopoulos initiated contact and that he asked for an official letter of request for a meeting.

"We did not take the proposal itself too seriously," he said. "Besides, hardly any of our colleagues or even any of us expected Trump to win."




Danemora -> RE: First charges filed in Mueller investigation (10/30/2017 4:09:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: Danemora

Papadopolous was part of the Trump campaign as an advisor...therefore the Trump campaign acted on Papadopolous' persistence since he did end up meeting with "The Professor" in London.

Hum, is that how you see it? I believe the article stated Papadopolous met the "Professor" and then became persistent, which, then, everyone else in the campaign seems to have ignored. I'll have to go reread the article. Does the article state how or why Papadopolous came to meet with the "Professor"? If he was sent by the campaign and then ignored by the campaign that would be odd.


Hopefully these above links help clear up your questions. I went for some links that addressed the points you brought up




Nnanji -> RE: First charges filed in Mueller investigation (10/30/2017 5:09:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Danemora

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: Danemora

Papadopolous was part of the Trump campaign as an advisor...therefore the Trump campaign acted on Papadopolous' persistence since he did end up meeting with "The Professor" in London.

Hum, is that how you see it? I believe the article stated Papadopolous met the "Professor" and then became persistent, which, then, everyone else in the campaign seems to have ignored. I'll have to go reread the article. Does the article state how or why Papadopolous came to meet with the "Professor"? If he was sent by the campaign and then ignored by the campaign that would be odd.


Hopefully these above links help clear up your questions. I went for some links that addressed the points you brought up

Thank you, but I was clear.




MasterJaguar01 -> RE: First charges filed in Mueller investigation (10/30/2017 5:46:49 PM)

Just watched an interview on TV with Carter Page...

He was stumbling around like a teenager caught shoplifting.

Especially when asked what he knew about Papadopolous.


It was hilarious




Danemora -> RE: First charges filed in Mueller investigation (10/30/2017 6:27:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: Danemora

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


quote:

ORIGINAL: Danemora

Papadopolous was part of the Trump campaign as an advisor...therefore the Trump campaign acted on Papadopolous' persistence since he did end up meeting with "The Professor" in London.

Hum, is that how you see it? I believe the article stated Papadopolous met the "Professor" and then became persistent, which, then, everyone else in the campaign seems to have ignored. I'll have to go reread the article. Does the article state how or why Papadopolous came to meet with the "Professor"? If he was sent by the campaign and then ignored by the campaign that would be odd.


Hopefully these above links help clear up your questions. I went for some links that addressed the points you brought up

Thank you, but I was clear.


As was I. Not my problem if what you see with your own two eyes doesnt fit whatever alternative way you'd like to spin things




Danemora -> RE: First charges filed in Mueller investigation (10/30/2017 6:39:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01

Just watched an interview on TV with Carter Page...

He was stumbling around like a teenager caught shoplifting.

Especially when asked what he knew about Papadopolous.


It was hilarious


He's probably shitting himself wondering if one of the still sealed indictments has his name on it 😊




Lucylastic -> RE: First charges filed in Mueller investigation (10/30/2017 7:23:49 PM)

Watching Sarah today was unreal, the very epitome of fake news
WASHINGTON ― Mired by compromised credibility and reeling from newly revealed indictments, President Donald Trump and his White House reverted to form Monday, falsely claiming that the alleged criminal actions were completely unrelated to him.

“Today’s announcement has nothing to do with the president, has nothing to do with the president’s campaign or campaign activity,” White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said.

Republican media relations professionals were baffled by the approach.

“The White House’s strategy is shameless, bald-faced, indefensible lies,” said Tim Miller, who ran communications for Jeb Bush’s Republican presidential campaign last year. “Lie about everything, admit nothing.”

Rick Tyler, who worked for Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas in that GOP primary race, said he suspected Sanders was simply “reciting the answers” as she had been instructed. “It’s really amazing the degree to which they think everybody else is an idiot.”

Sanders’ remarks came during the daily White House press briefing just hours after former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and deputy campaign chairman Richard Gates were indicted on charges including money laundering.

Trump quickly responded to that revelation with a statement issued via Twitter: “Sorry, but this is years ago, before Paul Manafort was part of the Trump campaign. But why aren’t Crooked Hillary & the Dems the focus????? Also, there is NO COLLUSION!”

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Papadopoulos isnt years ago....


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