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RE: Donna Brazille: "What REALLY Happened" - 11/2/2017 8:56:56 PM   
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She is brave for speaking up.

It would have been brave to speak up when it was happening.

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RE: Donna Brazille: "What REALLY Happened" - 11/2/2017 8:57:48 PM   
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Damn it, I was getting ready to start this thread.

Anyway, a big kudos to Donna Brazille!
The former DNC interim chair is writing a new book, stating that Hillary Clinton virtually TOOK OVER the DNC just 4 months,
AFTER she announced her run for President, and BEFOR she even got the nomination.

I could see that HC had taken over the DNC, and even a blind man could SEE it was all rigged for her.

TRUTH Donna, the Democrats will be able to regroup and come back, with MORE honesty, not less.

Daily Mail- Donna Brazille states HC took over DNC before winning the nomination

I get tired of blatant lies, lies and more lies.

Here is some TRUTH.

I am so proud to see a Democrat speak up and tell the truth, about what is going on in the DNC.
I knew there was a reason I liked Donna Brazille, you go girl!



I agree with almost everything you wrote and I'd just like to ask one question: Would this fit the description of "hacking our democracy"? Just curious.



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RE: Donna Brazille: "What REALLY Happened" - 11/2/2017 9:06:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Marini

Damn it, I was getting ready to start this thread.

Anyway, a big kudos to Donna Brazille!
The former DNC interim chair is writing a new book, stating that Hillary Clinton virtually TOOK OVER the DNC just 4 months,
AFTER she announced her run for President, and BEFOR she even got the nomination.

I could see that HC had taken over the DNC, and even a blind man could SEE it was all rigged for her.

TRUTH Donna, the Democrats will be able to regroup and come back, with MORE honesty, not less.

Daily Mail- Donna Brazille states HC took over DNC before winning the nomination

I get tired of blatant lies, lies and more lies.

Here is some TRUTH.

I am so proud to see a Democrat speak up and tell the truth, about what is going on in the DNC.
I knew there was a reason I liked Donna Brazille, you go girl!



I agree with almost everything you wrote and I'd just like to ask one question: Would this fit the description of "hacking our democracy"? Just curious.



Michael



To me it is hacking the
Democracy.
Bernie might have been able to win the nomination, we will never know.
I can't wait to hear the outrage from the elected democrats.
LOL

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RE: Donna Brazille: "What REALLY Happened" - 11/2/2017 11:06:41 PM   
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It's not really a secret that the Dems were trying to control who got the nomination.
They liked Hillary as a candidate.
If the GOP had done the same, we wouldn't have ended up with the nightmare piece of shit we ended up with.

Hillary probably had the most realistic perspective on things-- I still think she felt like she was owed the presidency and I also think she played a part in making Trump the GOP candidate instead of Kasich or Bush, which is unforgivable.
I don't think she deserved to win and it was manipulative and wrong for her to counteract the will of the people, but at the same time, the people are stupid enough to choose Trump or believe in Bernie, so there you go.

I really wish I wasn't in a position where I had to agree with something posted by Bosco because when he and the other RWNJs say this shit, it's not about the issue, it's about pretending the left is evil and the right is good... but yes, I agree with something posted by Bosco.

I don't think either party should run a neoliberal ever again... the Dems should run someone more similar to Obama and the GOP should run a nice moderate who would be able to bring people together.
What a great election that would be.

The left can take baby steps towards making America more like Canada, and the right can emphasize good old fashioned values without resorting to racism, sexism, or endless amounts of juvenile whining.
It really doesn't have to be as bad as it is.

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RE: Donna Brazille: "What REALLY Happened" - 11/2/2017 11:19:06 PM   
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HACKING democracy isn't the same thing as playing politics.
Hillary couldn't have 'taken over' the DNC if they didn't really want her to be the candidate.

I really don't think she was hacking into people's emails or spreading lies about pedophile rings or inciting riots using facebook.

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RE: Donna Brazille: "What REALLY Happened" - 11/2/2017 11:28:27 PM   
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HACKING democracy isn't the same thing as playing politics.
Hillary couldn't have 'taken over' the DNC if they didn't really want her to be the candidate.

I really don't think she was hacking into people's emails or spreading lies about pedophile rings or inciting riots using facebook.



Shrillary effectively took over the DNC because they were beholden to her campaign for money (according to Ms. Brazille).

I will grant you that after her giving debate questions to the Clinton campaign in advance of the debate, her credibility takes a hit, but let's see where all these cards fall.



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RE: Donna Brazille: "What REALLY Happened" - 11/2/2017 11:49:09 PM   
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Yeah, that's PART of WHY they were in her corner... but I really don't think that paying off the party's debts means that they were opposed to her being the nominee, or that their support against Bernie (who didn't exactly toe the line) means she was 'rigging' anything. It was never exactly a secret that she was the chosen one. If she actually tampered with VOTING during the primary, or used illegal means of influencing voters, then that needs to be investigated.

It may seem unethical, but it isn't illegal.

Regardless, I guess the DNC learned their lesson about not providing a better selection of candidates.



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RE: Donna Brazille: "What REALLY Happened" - 11/2/2017 11:56:55 PM   
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If she actually tampered with VOTING during the primary, or used illegal means of influencing voters, then that needs to be investigated.



I think one could make the case that ... hmmmm ... not funding the Sanders campaign at the same level they funded the Shrillary campaign might be "influencing voters".

I'm not saying that happened, but it isn't too tough to imagine.

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HRC Campaign: "We need another 2.4 M for an ad. buy"

DNC: "We're writing the check (thanks to you)"

BSC: "We need some more advertising money"

DNC: "Gee, Bernie, we're almost tapped out. I mean we are cash poor. We're just not getting the donations we thought we would"


I could see something like that. I'm not saying there's proof or even evidence, but it doesn't stress the bounds of credulity.

More to the point: How could anyone believe that Shrillary financed the DNC without some kind of agreed-to caveat that Bernie wouldn't enjoy her largess? Think about it:

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DNC: "Hills, we need money. We're screwed."
HRC Campaign: "Why should I give you money, when you'll just give some of it to my opponent?"
DNC: "I'm sure we could work out something that would be agreeable to all concerned parties"




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RE: Donna Brazille: "What REALLY Happened" - 11/3/2017 12:08:50 AM   
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I think one could make the case that ... hmmmm ... not funding the Sanders campaign at the same level they funded the Shrillary campaign might be "influencing voters".

I'm not saying that happened, but it isn't too tough to imagine.


Well, discounting the vast wealth of the Russian oligarchs who almost certainly played a role, Trump's campaign wasn't as well funded as Hillary's.
Funding definitely helps, but it doesn't automatically equal a win.

Again, unethical... but not illegal and definitely not something that can be described as 'hacking democracy'.

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RE: Donna Brazille: "What REALLY Happened" - 11/3/2017 12:23:38 AM   
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Again, unethical... but not illegal and definitely not something that can be described as 'hacking democracy'.



Well, clearly, we disagree. I think being in control of how much money my opponent gets affects my opponent's ability to buy ads., pay (some) staffers, make lawn signs, collect data ... the list goes on.

If I can control my opponent's ability to "get their message out" by getting the DNC to "play ball" with me, I've hacked an election.

By the way, you might find this interesting:

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Donald Trump’s campaign spent about $94 million in its final push for the White House, according to new fundraising reports filed Thursday.

The Republican continued his campaign-long trend of spending far less than Democratic rival Hillary Clinton. Her campaign blew through almost $132 million in its closing weeks, according to reports filed Thursday with the Federal Election Commission. The latest reports cover Oct. 20 through Nov. 28.

Over the course of the primary and general elections, the Trump campaign raised about $340 million. That included $66 million that the billionaire businessman contributed from his own pocket. The Clinton campaign, which maintained a longer and more concerted fundraising focus, brought in about $581 million.




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RE: Donna Brazille: "What REALLY Happened" - 11/3/2017 12:32:52 AM   
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I dont think you understand political parties. Democrats put up democratic candidates whom they mostly agree with and support and give them every advantage for good or bad, they have no legal, moral, or ethical obligation to support independent candidates in their machine. No more than coke needs to fund pepsi. But its also true of the Republicans, we only need to look at Teddy Roosevelt to have our proof. Both parties have enough bad candidates within to support, and they do that, here we are with Trump in a long line of horrible candidates from the Republican party as evidence.

Had Sanders run as an Independent he would have cleared the field. Unfortunately, we would still be hung with an inept, corrupt, and destructive congress, so it would still leave us in dire straits.

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RE: Donna Brazille: "What REALLY Happened" - 11/3/2017 12:40:45 AM   
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I dont think you understand political parties. Democrats put up democratic candidates whom they mostly agree with and support and give them every advantage for good or bad, they have no legal, moral, or ethical obligation to support independent candidates in their machine.


Maybe I missed something, here? Was Bernie running as an Independent or a Democrat? I seem to remember that he was running as a DEMOCRAT. I also remember that NO ONE doubted that while he identified as a "DEMOCRATIC Socialist/Independent", he caucuses with the DEMOCRATS in the Senate.

While there may be no legal obligation on the DNC to be neutral (I doubt that), there certainly is an ethical one. No?

Did the DNC and Shrillary collude to exclude (I like that!) Bernie from getting the nomination? If they did, certainly that was "affecting the outcome of an election".

So ... How do we square those facts? I'm not sure they can be.

Shrillary, with the help of the DNC appears to have screwed Bernie (according to Ms. Brazille). Certainly, they weren't behaving in a very "democratic" way; perhaps a "Democratic" way, though.



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RE: Donna Brazille: "What REALLY Happened" - 11/3/2017 12:54:14 AM   
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-bernie-sanders-democrat-president-third-party-20160328-story.html

Look at the numbers of idiots who run as Republicans, when they are anything but.

I-VT. maybe I'm missing something here, did he join the Democratic party? I do not have any evidence, but perhaps you do. I am certain Ronald Reagan joined the Republican party, and did not run as a Democrat and on the good graces of the RNC. Nobody in the DNC owes Bernie a living, but it might seem unfair to the decidedly communist republicans we are dealing with nowadays.

And of course we see RNC shoveling out huge sums of money in key districts and states for certain select senators and congressmen.

What was poured into the Luther Strange-Roy Moore election? Are the good communists down at the RNC insuring each candidate for congress and senate across this great nation receive the same amount of money? Did they as a machine fund both equally? I think there needs to be some books on the dirty politics inside the RNC and probably a few congressional witch hunts while we are at it. Alabama, Alabama, Alabama!!! That is a spiffy war cry if ever there was one.

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RE: Donna Brazille: "What REALLY Happened" - 11/3/2017 1:01:00 AM   
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I-VT. maybe I'm missing something here, did he join the Democratic party? I do not have any evidence, but perhaps you do.



Last time I'm doing your research for you:

Here and Here

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Bernie Sanders is running for the Democratic nomination even though he has never officially described himself as a Democrat before. A self-described Democratic Socialist, the Vermont senator is an independent in politics and chooses to caucus with the Democrats in the Senate. Sanders has had a long career in politics, rising from mayor of Burlington (1981 to 1989) to the U.S. House (1991-2007), then the Senate (2007-present).


The truth is out there, if your Google-foo is strong!



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RE: Donna Brazille: "What REALLY Happened" - 11/3/2017 1:05:50 AM   
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Thank you for proving my point. I did not need to google it, I already knew.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/bernard_sanders/400357

Show me the D........c'mon, you got this.

nope, still I-VT.

Republicans run as fiscally responsible, we know that is an outright lie.

He is not a Democrat.

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RE: Donna Brazille: "What REALLY Happened" - 11/3/2017 1:27:57 AM   
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Thank you for proving my point. I did not need to google it, I already knew.

nope, still I-VT.



This is a joke, right? A troll?

Every moron and his idiot sibling knows Bernie ran as a DEMOCRAT. He was in the DEMOCRATIC primaries. He received money from the DNC.

Seriously? Did you read a newspaper in 2016? Watch a television? Let me help you out ... one more time.

Would you believe it if Bernie said it?

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"After a year of travel, discussion and dialogue, I have decided to be a candidate for the Democratic nomination for president," he wrote in the email, highlighting economic inequality, climate change and the Citizens United Supreme Court decisions as key issues spurring him to run.




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RE: Donna Brazille: "What REALLY Happened" - 11/3/2017 3:26:16 AM   
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Your article proves MY point, not yours.
Trump won but spent less money (assuming the Russia assist was free and not envelopes passed under tables)... proving funding isn't everything.

There's a difference between saying 'Hillary cut off Bernie's funding' and 'the primary was rigged, democracy was hacked'.
It wasn't fair, but in order to say that the primary was rigged you have to prove that Bernie didn't lose for other reasons.
You can't prove that any more than you can prove that Trump would have lost without Russia or the Comey letter.

Anyways, this little fantasy has no bearing on the reality, which is that Bernie actively IGNORED the joint fundraising agreement:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/democrats-express-outrage-over-allegations-of-early-control-for-clinton-in-2016/2017/11/02/84e949da-c000-11e7-97d9-bdab5a0ab381_story.html?tid=pm_pop&utm_term=.9615eb2dbb86

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The joint fundraising agreement allowed Clinton to raise hundreds of thousands of dollars from individual donors — money that was spread across state parties under federal campaign guidelines. Sanders had a different fundraising model, relying more on small-dollar donations directly to his campaign, and he told the DNC that his campaign was not interested in following the same program. 


Aren't you right-wing types the people who are always saying that you deserve to keep what you work for?
People were donating to Hillary and the DNC at the same time... but she was still the one doing the fundraising for BOTH.
So why exactly would the DNC back someone who actively refused to help them out when their finances were so dire?
Someone who complained about 'big money' as if money grows on trees and nobody actually cares about bankruptcy?
And on top of that, someone who could have done the same thing Clinton did, could have raised more money for himself and others, could have had just as much support and control within the party-- but didn't do it, because of his 'principles'?

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In a September 2015 email obtained by The Washington Post, a lawyer from Perkins Coie, a law firm representing both the DNC and the Clinton campaign, wrote the Sanders campaign with a copy of what was presented as a “standard joint fundraising agreement.”

“This is the same one we have used with other campaigns,” wrote attorney Graham Wilson. 

At the end of the same email, Wilson suggested that should the Sanders campaign raise “significantly more” money than was required to pay for the party voter file, then Sanders could have a say in how those funds would be used “to prepare for the general election.” 

“The DNC has had discussions like this with the Clinton campaign and is of course willing to do so with all committees raising funds for the Committee,” Wilson wrote. 

Weaver said the Sanders campaign decided early on to ignore the joint fundraising program and raise small dollars on its own to pay for access to the voter file. “Who are the wealthy people Bernie was going to bring to a fundraiser?” Weaver asked. “We had to buy the voter file right before the primaries.”


Sanders' people fucked up by not using the joint fundraising program... so that's Hillary's fault?

Sounds like Hillary saved the DNC, and yeah, they were happy about it.
So by doing that, is she rigging democracy or simply being smart about fundraising, making friends, being a team player and reaping the rewards of her own efforts?
It seems to me that it's a testament to the absurd fantasy realm that Bernie lives in, where you can refuse to help your friends, watch the DNC crumble, and then expect everyone to love you and think you're wonderful.

All that this proves that Bernie isn't a real Democrat, and he wasn't as popular as people like to think.
Hillary wouldn't have 'controlled' the DNC if someone else had also exploited the joint fundraising program, but apparently populists are too high and mighty to do that.

Regardless, it's a model that definitely causes problems (big corporate donors, essentially buying influence in the DNC) and it's good that the truth is coming out.
Now if only the GOP would do the same about Trump.


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RE: Donna Brazille: "What REALLY Happened" - 11/3/2017 3:50:38 AM   
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https://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/bernie-sanders-2016-fundraising-dnc-215559

Here's an article about Sanders signing the agreement that his campaign effectively ignored completely not long afterwards.

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The candidate rarely headlines fundraising events, and is not close with many big-money Democratic donors, but he has been working to prove his proximity to the party in recent months as he competes with Clinton.


You would almost think he was interested in becoming a Democrat.
Ooops.

What are the odds he tried to fit in at one of their social events and it was just really awkward for him?

And this is interesting-- not exactly a secret either:

http://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2016/04/why-isnt-bernie-helping-finance-down-ticket-candidates/

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One particular difference between the campaigns has been generating attention on this site: Clinton raised $18 million dollars for the Democratic National Committee, to be used in the general election to support Democratic candidates, while it appears Bernie Sanders has raised none.


It's such a mystery why the Dems aren't head over heels in love with the guy!

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RE: Donna Brazille: "What REALLY Happened" - 11/3/2017 6:08:08 AM   
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Thank you for proving my point. I did not need to google it, I already knew.

nope, still I-VT.



This is a joke, right? A troll?

Every moron and his idiot sibling knows Bernie ran as a DEMOCRAT. He was in the DEMOCRATIC primaries. He received money from the DNC.

Seriously? Did you read a newspaper in 2016? Watch a television? Let me help you out ... one more time.

Would you believe it if Bernie said it?

quote:

ORIGINAL: CNN
"After a year of travel, discussion and dialogue, I have decided to be a candidate for the Democratic nomination for president," he wrote in the email, highlighting economic inequality, climate change and the Citizens United Supreme Court decisions as key issues spurring him to run.




Its a joke right, you are a troll right, you know he ran for the Democratic Nomination and the overwhelming reason he did not get the nomination or help from the machine is that he is not a Democrat.

You haven't read any newspapers and were born after TV, but he did not win the Democratic nomination, because he did not best represent the Democratic shadow hack government the electoral college, nevermind what the whores of the other shadow hack government will do including collude with communists.

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RE: Donna Brazille: "What REALLY Happened" - 11/3/2017 6:23:53 AM   
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And wow, I hadn't seen this, but it's official:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/22/sanders-keeps-em-guessing-bernie-to-seek-senate-reelection-as-independent-amid-2020-talk.html

Wow, what a surprise.
Why didn't the DNC want him as their nominee?
He's so dedicated!

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