heavyblinker
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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker No, as I said, it happened because Bernie DIDN'T try to keep the DNC afloat... or support any Democratic candidates he didn't think were up to his standards, which were many. He would have had more influence in the party if he had been willing to help them financially, lived up to his PROMISE or at least not openly rebelled against the party's identity. He could have turned things around at any moment, but chose not to. At the time, there was no way to know if he would do this, so yes... they let him run. Is it up to a Presidential candidate to raise money for other candidates? Hillary only did so to get control of the DNC. FFS, are you too blind to see that, or are you willfully ignoring it? That still does not make it okay for the DNC to do as much as it can to gift wrap the nomination for her. FFS you don't understand the point I am making. She did it because it was offered to her. It was offered to Bernie as well, but he refused. That is why it wasn't equal. He could have said YES, but he DIDN'T. If there had been a third candidate, and that candidate had taken the deal, then Hillary wouldn't have had such a big advantage. The advantage would have been shared between her and the third candidate. But instead it was the Democrat versus the nutjob outsider who doesn't care about the party he wanted to lead, and told everyone he would give them $100,000 and a car if they voted for him. I don't know how to express this in simpler terms. BERNIE REFUSED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE JOINT FUNDRAISING PROGRAM. HE REFUSED TO HELP THE PARTY AS A WHOLE AND SIMPLY SUPPORTED THE CANDIDATES HE PERSONALLY AGREED WITH. There are seriously Sanders supporters out there who think that because Bernie refused to help the DNC with their debts, Hillary should have done the same. She should have let the party go bankrupt, ruined the 2016 election campaign, sabotaged the down ballot candidates... and for what? Principles? Oh, and then Bernie finally gave in and signed the same deal, but Hillary had a huge lead on him by that time: https://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/bernie-sanders-2016-fundraising-dnc-215559 He was unsuccessful, stopped trying, realized he was going to lose, and then like the big baby he is, started screaming about Hillary being corrupt. FFS even Trump didn't stoop to the level of attacking the GOP (or at least, didn't make it a focus), but Bernie attacked the DNC while he was still campaigning. https://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/04/sanders-clinton-dnc-campaign-finance-laws-222102 I get that populist independents are the solution to all of America's woes (Trump is obviously doing wonders to bring everyone together and improve America's standing globally), but could you just get off of that for a few moments and stop pretending this is all a big good vs. evil battle? Bernie is not a fucking saint, not a fucking messiah... he is a politician, and he is an outsider. Hillary had an advantage and didn't give it up because she didn't have to. Bernie let her have it because it 'wasn't right', finally realized it was hurting him, couldn't turn it around in time, and then started whining about it in the press. Not only did he attack Hillary, he also undermined the entire party he was trying to lead! He HELPED TRUMP WIN. He was never ever ever going to win the nomination, and it isn't some neoliberal conspiracy... he's just that much of an idiot.
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