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RE: This Is A Tragedy - 11/3/2017 10:03:56 AM   
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but if he hadn't got caught breaking his probation terms, the operation would have taken place last month and the child wouldn't be in this mess now.


That's completely true. Absolutely.

Now tell me: How does any of that stack up to the death of a child? The child should get the death penalty because his father's a piece of shit?

How important is "justice being served" when it's put up against a moral obligation to a CHILD?



Apparently the child's father, who thought that whatever he broke his probation over was more important than not running the risk of getting locked up before the operation, doesn't give a flying fuck about his moral obligation to his son.


So we make the kid pay for it with his own life? He may be a criminal type, but he is still the one willing to donate his kidney to his son.


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RE: This Is A Tragedy - 11/3/2017 10:04:24 AM   
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Apparently the child's father, who thought that whatever he broke his probation over was more important than not running the risk of getting locked up before the operation, doesn't give a flying fuck about his moral obligation to his son.


I get it, now! The scales have fallen from my eyes!

Let me see if I have this right: Are you arguing that because the father is a morally bankrupt piece of shit that the hospital, legal system, society on the whole is exonerated from being moral?

Is that your argument?



No, I'm arguing that if he doesn't give a fuck about his son's welfare (which he clearly doesn't), he has no business expecting anybody else to.
Clear now?

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RE: This Is A Tragedy - 11/3/2017 10:08:09 AM   
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but if he hadn't got caught breaking his probation terms, the operation would have taken place last month and the child wouldn't be in this mess now.


That's completely true. Absolutely.

Now tell me: How does any of that stack up to the death of a child? The child should get the death penalty because his father's a piece of shit?

How important is "justice being served" when it's put up against a moral obligation to a CHILD?



Apparently the child's father, who thought that whatever he broke his probation over was more important than not running the risk of getting locked up before the operation, doesn't give a flying fuck about his moral obligation to his son.


So we make the kid pay for it with his own life? He may be a criminal type, but he is still the one willing to donate his kidney to his son.


Except he wasn't willing enough to wait until after the operation to get arrested.

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RE: This Is A Tragedy - 11/3/2017 10:11:38 AM   
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Now, consider the amount of homosexual activity in jail and prisons (half my porn collection), and think about if you want to rush a transplant for the child. A 90day waiting period would give time for any issues to show up in the blood work.

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RE: This Is A Tragedy - 11/3/2017 10:11:57 AM   
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No, I'm arguing that if he doesn't give a fuck about his son's welfare (which he clearly doesn't), he has no business expecting anybody else to.
Clear now?


He doesn't care so he shouldn't expect us to care. Okay. I'll grant that.

Let me ask: If he doesn't care and shouldn't expect us to care, should we care, anyway?

Edit: In fact, shouldn't we care because his scumbag father doesn't? I'm not talking about forcing an operation on the dad. I would never support that, but he says he's on board (although I wonder if the fear of the operation had some psychological play in his latest probation violation?). The hospital calls him a "perfect match". The prison system (as far as I can tell) has raised no objections. The probation department may have, but I didn't see it.



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RE: This Is A Tragedy - 11/3/2017 10:13:26 AM   
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An organ transplant does not guarantee survival for the recipient, and can risk the life of the donor.

Now, consider the amount of homosexual activity in jail and prisons (half my porn collection), and think about if you want to rush a transplant for the child. A 90day waiting period would give time for any issues to show up in the blood work.



That (the blood work) is a fair point, but isn't the detection period down to like a matter of a week or two (when testing the blood)?



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RE: This Is A Tragedy - 11/3/2017 10:13:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, we should. Well, I care anyway. Its a 2 year old child we're talking about. He hasnt even had a chance to live yet. So yeah, Im going to care. His dad might be a scumbag, but that baby shouldnt be punished because of it

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RE: This Is A Tragedy - 11/3/2017 10:14:59 AM   
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An organ transplant does not guarantee survival for the recipient, and can risk the life of the donor.

Now, consider the amount of homosexual activity in jail and prisons (half my porn collection), and think about if you want to rush a transplant for the child. A 90day waiting period would give time for any issues to show up in the blood work.



That (the blood work) is a fair point, but isn't the detection period down to like a matter of a week or two (when testing the blood)?




Depending on the test, as little as 14 days from HIV exposure, or up to 90 days.

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RE: This Is A Tragedy - 11/3/2017 10:16:40 AM   
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RE: This Is A Tragedy - 11/3/2017 10:19:16 AM   
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RE: This Is A Tragedy - 11/3/2017 10:19:57 AM   
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I feel for the kid, I really do. But not enough to go abstinent a full year to be able to donate blood.


That's a personal choice, obviously, but ... what if this were your child? I'm just trying to put you in the position of the father as you already kind of did.



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RE: This Is A Tragedy - 11/3/2017 10:47:17 AM   
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No, I'm arguing that if he doesn't give a fuck about his son's welfare (which he clearly doesn't), he has no business expecting anybody else to.
Clear now?


He doesn't care so he shouldn't expect us to care. Okay. I'll grant that.

Let me ask: If he doesn't care and shouldn't expect us to care, should we care, anyway?

Edit: In fact, shouldn't we care because his scumbag father doesn't? I'm not talking about forcing an operation on the dad. I would never support that, but he says he's on board (although I wonder if the fear of the operation had some psychological play in his latest probation violation?). The hospital calls him a "perfect match". The prison system (as far as I can tell) has raised no objections. The probation department may have, but I didn't see it.



At the risk of sounding cynical, I think you might have your suspicion in the edit backwards: the sorry little shit might have been bleating about how he wanted to donate a kidney to his son while he was inside in order to endear himself to the parole board. Once he got out, it looks like that suddenly became less important to him. Now that he's found himself back in the system again, his kid is back to being the most important thing in the world.

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RE: This Is A Tragedy - 11/3/2017 10:54:06 AM   
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At the risk of sounding cynical, I think you might have your suspicion in the edit backwards: the sorry little shit might have been bleating about how he wanted to donate a kidney to his son while he was inside in order to endear himself to the parole board. Once he got out, it looks like that suddenly became less important to him. Now that he's found himself back in the system again, his kid is back to being the most important thing in the world.


Except for the fact that, at the time the article was written, he was NOT in jail. The legal entities (apparently) have no objection. It is the hospital that is dropping the ball, here.



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RE: This Is A Tragedy - 11/3/2017 11:01:37 AM   
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At the risk of sounding cynical, I think you might have your suspicion in the edit backwards: the sorry little shit might have been bleating about how he wanted to donate a kidney to his son while he was inside in order to endear himself to the parole board. Once he got out, it looks like that suddenly became less important to him. Now that he's found himself back in the system again, his kid is back to being the most important thing in the world.


Except for the fact that, at the time the article was written, he was NOT in jail. The legal entities (apparently) have no objection. It is the hospital that is dropping the ball, here.



He was inside (for his first probation violation) when he said this:
"Once I get out, I'm going to promise to my son that he can get a kidney,'"
And then when he got out, he broke his promise by acquiring the second.
I know you have an erratic medical set up over there, but this isn't on the hospital: it's on him, and I find his pleading for sympathy by claiming otherwise utterly disgusting.

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RE: This Is A Tragedy - 11/3/2017 1:49:16 PM   
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The flip side is that keeping convicts from gaming things puts the innocent at risk.

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RE: This Is A Tragedy - 11/3/2017 1:56:10 PM   
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I feel for the kid, I really do. But not enough to go abstinent a full year to be able to donate blood.


That's a personal choice, obviously, but ... what if this were your child? I'm just trying to put you in the position of the father as you already kind of did.




No. It's Federal law, or at least FDA regulation, which amounts to the same thing. And I'll point out that I'm not a felon, and have never been on parole or probation.

I'm sure it's terrible for the family to watch the child go through his ordeal. But the father needs to step up as a human being and stay out of jail for 3 months. That is all that's standing in the way.

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RE: This Is A Tragedy - 11/3/2017 2:08:09 PM   
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What if the reasons he violated his parole and the hospital is requiring a waiting period are one and the same. The hospital would be violating HIPAA law by saying the babydaddy needs to detox.

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RE: This Is A Tragedy - 11/3/2017 4:23:58 PM   
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RE: This Is A Tragedy - 11/3/2017 5:00:26 PM   
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And I don't doubt that someone mixed up with weapons charges and violating parole twice would be on something, at least now and then.

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RE: This Is A Tragedy - 11/3/2017 5:01:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		So its assumption and speculation on your part rather than anything based on known facts, drug tests, court records, etc? Got it, though I personally think its completely fucked up to label someone without any proof one way or the other.


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