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DaddySatyr -> This Is A Tragedy (11/3/2017 4:02:32 AM)
Article here I could only get about ¾ of the way through the article because I became livid and heart-broken, at the same time. Look, the kid's father is probably a bad seed. He was probably born a scumbag, he'll probably die a scumbag, and he'll probably be a scumbag in-between, but there's a child involved here; a baby almost. This might be the only decent act this guy ever commits again. They're matched. The father's kidney is almost guaranteed to let this child live a normal, healthy life. There *has* to be some way to furlough the father bring him to the hospital under guard (four or five, for all I care) and save this kid's life. I think we pander to prisoners too much in this country, but it isn't about a scumbag, one-man-crime-spree. It's about a baby! Michael

bounty44 -> RE: This Is A Tragedy (11/3/2017 8:57:35 AM)
Michael, if im understanding emory's reasoning rightly, its not a matter of guarding the prisoner per se, rather, they are refusing to do the operation because they don't believe its in the best interest of a donor to deal with the effects of donating while being in prison. so its the "after" they are more worried about. it would seem the solution could be a hospital that has a secured and guarded ward to it, like a psychiatric floor.

servantforuse -> RE: This Is A Tragedy (11/3/2017 9:04:18 AM)
I think they should help the baby and worry about the donor later.

DaddySatyr -> RE: This Is A Tragedy (11/3/2017 9:04:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 Michael, if im understanding emory's reasoning rightly, its not a matter of guarding the prisoner per se, rather, they are refusing to do the operation because they don't believe its in the best interest of a donor to deal with the effects of donating while being in prison. so its the "after" they are more worried about. it would seem the solution could be a hospital that has a secured and guarded ward to it, like a psychiatric floor. I couldn't care less about the father/donor when measured against the medical needs of the child. I get your point, but even if that is the reason, the hospital is making a grievous mistake. Medical "ethics" are so movable in so many instances until the money-making scumbags want to make a point. Peace, Michael

Danemora -> RE: This Is A Tragedy (11/3/2017 9:08:00 AM)
The article said surgery was scheduled for October 3rd and the father was officially released on the 2nd, but Emory cancelled surgery anyway. The deal now is the father has to show compliance with his probation officer for 3 months before Emory's transplant team will reconsider the surgery in January 2018 after they receive documentation from probation. The family doesnt think the boy has 3 months though.

bounty44 -> RE: This Is A Tragedy (11/3/2017 9:13:05 AM)
yes, but as im understanding it, with the justification being they don't want him in prison, or rather back in prison, after having donated. they are not saying that outright, but that's the only inference I can make.

DaddySatyr -> RE: This Is A Tragedy (11/3/2017 9:18:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 yes, but as im understanding it, with the justification being they don't want him in prison, or rather back in prison, after having donated. they are not saying that outright, but that's the only inference I can make. They can paint this turd pink and call it cotton candy all they want. I ain't bitin'. The life of an innocent is involved. Peace, Michael

Danemora -> RE: This Is A Tragedy (11/3/2017 9:19:16 AM)
You and I must have read different articles then, Bounty. Because the inferences you are making were not really even close to what was being said in the article. Just being honest with you. Its about him having to show compliance with probation, not Emory having to provide a secured ward for a guy who was officially released from jail on the 2nd.

WhoreMods -> RE: This Is A Tragedy (11/3/2017 9:22:20 AM)
I'm sorry, but why is this the hospital's fault? It wasn't anybody there who was picked up for a probation violation a week before the operation was originally scheduled. quote: Dickerson was released from jail six weeks later and he was scheduled to undergo surgery at Emory University Hospital in Atlanta on Oct. 3 to donate his left kidney to his son. But he was arrested on Sept. 28 for violating his parole again for possession of a firearm or knife during the commission of or attempt to commit certain felonies as well as for fleeing or attempting to elude a police officer, according to criminal records. It's a terrible shame about the child, but if the father couldn't manage to keep his nose clean between his release and donating the organ, then his son not getting the transplant last month is more on him than on anybody else. Him playing the martyr card and the kid's mother blaming the hospital for it is bullshit.

DaddySatyr -> RE: This Is A Tragedy (11/3/2017 9:26:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods I'm sorry, but why is this the hospital's fault? It wasn't anybody there who was picked up for a probation violation a week before the operation was originally scheduled. quote: Dickerson was released from jail six weeks later and he was scheduled to undergo surgery at Emory University Hospital in Atlanta on Oct. 3 to donate his left kidney to his son. But he was arrested on Sept. 28 for violating his parole again for possession of a firearm or knife during the commission of or attempt to commit certain felonies as well as for fleeing or attempting to elude a police officer, according to criminal records. It's a terrible shame about the child, but if the father couldn't manage to keep his nose clean between his release and donating the organ, then his son not getting the transplant last month is more on him than on anybody else. Re-read the article. The way I read it the alleged scumbag father is out of jail, but the hospital is refusing to do the operation until the donor jumps through their hoops. That the father is probably a waste of life, breathing air that could be better invested on good people is not in contention. To me, the issue is: His kidney could save a (HIS) child's life. To me, nothing else matters.

WhoreMods -> RE: This Is A Tragedy (11/3/2017 9:33:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods I'm sorry, but why is this the hospital's fault? It wasn't anybody there who was picked up for a probation violation a week before the operation was originally scheduled. quote: Dickerson was released from jail six weeks later and he was scheduled to undergo surgery at Emory University Hospital in Atlanta on Oct. 3 to donate his left kidney to his son. But he was arrested on Sept. 28 for violating his parole again for possession of a firearm or knife during the commission of or attempt to commit certain felonies as well as for fleeing or attempting to elude a police officer, according to criminal records. It's a terrible shame about the child, but if the father couldn't manage to keep his nose clean between his release and donating the organ, then his son not getting the transplant last month is more on him than on anybody else. Re-read the article. The way I read it the alleged scumbag father is out of jail, but the hospital is refusing to do the operation until the donor jumps through their hoops. That the father is probably a waste of life, breathing air that could be better served on good people is not in contention. To me, the issue is: His kidney could save a (HIS) child's life. To me, nothing else matters. I did read the article: that's a quotation from it above. I'm sure it's a lot more convenient for him to blame the hospital for it, but if he hadn't got caught breaking his probation terms, the operation would have taken place last month and the child wouldn't be in this mess now.

bounty44 -> RE: This Is A Tragedy (11/3/2017 9:41:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Danemora You and I must have read different articles then, Bounty. Because the inferences you are making were not really even close to what was being said in the article. Just being honest with you. Its about him having to show compliance with probation, not Emory having to provide a secured ward for a guy who was officially released from jail on the 2nd. initially they would not do the operation because he was in jail. couple that with this: quote: When evaluating any potential donor, Emory's medical team is required to consider the ability of the donor to manage the many complications and health challenges that come with a major surgical procedure." "... We want a successful transplant for A.J. and we also want a positive outcome for his father or any other potential living donor," the statement added. im not aware of any rules/laws/regulations, etc, that prevent a man on probation from being a donor and there was nothing in the article to that effect. so its not a stretch to infer they want to make sure he doesn't end up back in jail---where he wouldn't be able to "manage the complications." alternatively, I suppose one could infer when the hospital says "manage the complications" (in reference to the donor), they could be meaning that if he can manage his probation, then he is more likely in their eyes to manage the complications associated with donating, but this seems the less likely of the two choices.

WhoreMods -> RE: This Is A Tragedy (11/3/2017 9:44:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 quote: ORIGINAL: Danemora You and I must have read different articles then, Bounty. Because the inferences you are making were not really even close to what was being said in the article. Just being honest with you. Its about him having to show compliance with probation, not Emory having to provide a secured ward for a guy who was officially released from jail on the 2nd. initially they would not do the operation because he was in jail. couple that with this: quote: When evaluating any potential donor, Emory's medical team is required to consider the ability of the donor to manage the many complications and health challenges that come with a major surgical procedure." "... We want a successful transplant for A.J. and we also want a positive outcome for his father or any other potential living donor," the statement added. im not aware of any rules/laws/regulations, etc, that prevent a man on probation from being a donor. so its not a stretch to infer they want to make sure he doesn't end up back in jail. alternatively, I suppose one could infer when the hospital says "manage the complications" (in reference to the donor), they could be meaning that if he can manage his probation, then he is more likely in their eyes to manage the complications associated with donating. Or that he's already blown out one date for the surgery by getting arrested for probation violations, and they don't see why they should book an operating theatre, surgeons and anaesthetist if he's just going to do that in between and get the procedure cancelled again.

bounty44 -> RE: This Is A Tragedy (11/3/2017 9:45:55 AM)
there was a pretty intense movie (the name escapes me) with denzel Washington and james woods some years ago that involved the former's son needing a heart transplant. im also reminded of the book and movie that put robin cook on the map, coma.

DaddySatyr -> RE: This Is A Tragedy (11/3/2017 9:46:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods but if he hadn't got caught breaking his probation terms, the operation would have taken place last month and the child wouldn't be in this mess now. That's completely true. Absolutely. Now tell me: How does any of that stack up to the death of a child? The child should get the death penalty because his father's a piece of shit? How important is "justice being served" when it's put up against a moral obligation to a CHILD?

bounty44 -> RE: This Is A Tragedy (11/3/2017 9:49:49 AM)
i think the article finishes with a hopeful note when it said something like "talks will resume Monday"

WhoreMods -> RE: This Is A Tragedy (11/3/2017 9:52:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods but if he hadn't got caught breaking his probation terms, the operation would have taken place last month and the child wouldn't be in this mess now. That's completely true. Absolutely. Now tell me: How does any of that stack up to the death of a child? The child should get the death penalty because his father's a piece of shit? How important is "justice being served" when it's put up against a moral obligation to a CHILD? Apparently the child's father, who thought that whatever he broke his probation over was more important than not running the risk of getting locked up before the operation, doesn't give a flying fuck about his moral obligation to his son.

DaddySatyr -> RE: This Is A Tragedy (11/3/2017 9:58:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 i think the article finishes with a hopeful note when it said something like "talks will resume Monday" Agreed, but I don't even see why this is a question. We make allowances for all kinds of special circumstances in this country. I'm as "law & order" as just about anybody and maybe the father should be locked up for life. I don't know. I don't care. The father is out, now. if he gets re-arrested, after the operation, he can be handcuffed to a hospital bed and get the care he needs with justice not suffering a wit (other than a little expense). It's red tape to the nth degree. Peace, Michael

Danemora -> RE: This Is A Tragedy (11/3/2017 9:58:57 AM)
That is what Im hoping happens as well. The guy just couldnt make the pre-op appointment on September 29th, but he was out of jail on the October 2nd. So since he was not incarcerated at the time, the surgery could have taken place as planned on October 3rd. There was no armed guards or secured wards necessary since the dude was free. Its now just about him having to jump through bureaucratic hoops unless the hospital course corrects. And lets say kid survives to January and Dad jumped through the hoops. Even after they took his kidney, he'd still be on probation afterwards. And he'd still have to deal with being a kidney donor who was incarcerated if he got a violation after the fact. So this 3 month re-evaluation is just to see if the guy can keep his nose clean. Only they are using this child's life as a pawn

DaddySatyr -> RE: This Is A Tragedy (11/3/2017 10:01:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods Apparently the child's father, who thought that whatever he broke his probation over was more important than not running the risk of getting locked up before the operation, doesn't give a flying fuck about his moral obligation to his son. I get it, now! The scales have fallen from my eyes! Let me see if I have this right: Are you arguing that because the father is a morally bankrupt piece of shit that the hospital, legal system, society on the whole is exonerated from being moral? Is that your argument? Funny, the government tries to "force" morality on the populace at a prodigious rate. Suddenly, the government isn't in the business of forcing people to do something that hurts their ethics? That doesn't even pass the giggle test.

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