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Milesnmiles -> RE: Consent 2 (11/14/2017 8:05:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Shandirra quote: ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles Go back to your make believe world where everything is "simple" and leave alone those that are trying to mske sense of the conplex real world we live in. You mean the real world where you can't utilize proper spelling or grammar? By and by, the real world isn't the issue. Consent is. Stick to the topic. Or are you going to keep using those straw men tactics to bullshit your way around your responsibilities? Consent IS a black and white issue. There are no grey areas whatsoever. There are no conditional, subjective or difficult elements to factor in. When in doubt; don't believe you have consent to do anything to/with another human being. You don't. Idiots like you should come with brands or tattoos emblazoned across your forehead warning everyone of your unfortunately narrow minded inability to accept culpability for your own actions. You cannot justify lack of consent violations. Stop trying. Just go back to your simple make believe world where you can control everyone and everything, where you can emblazon tattoos the across the foreheads of others without their consent.

Danemora -> RE: Consent 2 (11/14/2017 8:24:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles quote: ORIGINAL: Danemora Thank God I wasnt the only one! Ive read these two threads for a couple of weeks now and STILL have no clue what the hell OP was getting at either. Evolution doesnt always keep pace with society. Its just the way it is. Dumbo, neither of these threads were about evolution but if you want to discuss evolution I suggest you go back to the first thread and yammer about evolution with the idiots there who want to discuss it and stop trying to drag evolution into this thread. quote: ORIGINAL: Danemora Consent can be revoked at ANY time. Wow, did it take you a long time to come up with that? quote: ORIGINAL: Danemora Its not implied from start to completion. Bull, if someone wants to imply consent they can do it anytime they want to and you have no right to tell them they can't. quote: ORIGINAL: Danemora You are not guaranteed a happy ending, OP. Perhaps you can show me where I ever said I was "guaranteed a happy ending" or are you just making it up as you go along? quote: ORIGINAL: Danemora If you put your dick into any of my orifices even one millimeter, I can still say No and you will evacuate my oricices the second I tell you to get the fuck out. Period. End of story. Say goodnight, Gracie. What makes you think I would ever have any desire to put my dick into any of your orifices even one millimeter? Even if you gave me written consent. It seems I'm a little more particular about such things than you are. quote: ORIGINAL: Danemora It seems like you are just looking for loopholes that are not there, OP. Loopholes? If I was a "rapist" like you seem to be implying, I wouldn't need consent let alone loopholes and all the non-consent in the world wouldn't do you any good. You know, princess... This threads you started are just a weak ass door opening just so you can label folks as stupid or dumb or not nearly as smart as you. Ill bet ypu have a thesaurus right next to the computer too. That is so cute! Its so sad to me that you are so beaten down in your actual life that you can only lash out at pixels on your computer screen. Jesus Fucking Christ, homie...how absolutely pathetic as fuck your real life must be. I want to start a GoFund me page...or a Jerry Lewis Labor Day telethon...in your honor. I truly feel pity for you. So its okay, you talk Barney Badass if you need to. All foam, no beer. All hat, no cowboy. You're breaking my heart, sweet pea. Do you need a hug or a shoulder to cry on?

Shandirra -> RE: Consent 2 (11/15/2017 12:49:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles Just go back to your simple make believe world where you can control everyone and everything, where you can emblazon tattoos the across the foreheads of others without their consent. Weak. Uncreative. The only defense in your argument that you can muster is to parrot someone else's words? Try being original. Then again, I doubt you're capable of comprehending any literary material above disyllabic standards. At least the other trolls on this site are entertaining. You're boring as hell. You're in desperate need of a Fleshlight.

WhoreMods -> RE: Consent 2 (11/15/2017 11:08:59 AM)
FR: Consent to (2) what exactly? And how long has 'tache boy been talking like Prince anyway?

Milesnmiles -> RE: Consent 2 (11/17/2017 5:11:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Danemora quote: ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles quote: ORIGINAL: Danemora Thank God I wasnt the only one! Ive read these two threads for a couple of weeks now and STILL have no clue what the hell OP was getting at either. Evolution doesnt always keep pace with society. Its just the way it is. Dumbo, neither of these threads were about evolution but if you want to discuss evolution I suggest you go back to the first thread and yammer about evolution with the idiots there who want to discuss it and stop trying to drag evolution into this thread. quote: ORIGINAL: Danemora Consent can be revoked at ANY time. Wow, did it take you a long time to come up with that? quote: ORIGINAL: Danemora Its not implied from start to completion. Bull, if someone wants to imply consent they can do it anytime they want to and you have no right to tell them they can't. quote: ORIGINAL: Danemora You are not guaranteed a happy ending, OP. Perhaps you can show me where I ever said I was "guaranteed a happy ending" or are you just making it up as you go along? quote: ORIGINAL: Danemora If you put your dick into any of my orifices even one millimeter, I can still say No and you will evacuate my oricices the second I tell you to get the fuck out. Period. End of story. Say goodnight, Gracie. What makes you think I would ever have any desire to put my dick into any of your orifices even one millimeter? Even if you gave me written consent. It seems I'm a little more particular about such things than you are. quote: ORIGINAL: Danemora It seems like you are just looking for loopholes that are not there, OP. Loopholes? If I was a "rapist" like you seem to be implying, I wouldn't need consent let alone loopholes and all the non-consent in the world wouldn't do you any good. You know, princess... This threads you started are just a weak ass door opening just so you can label folks as stupid or dumb or not nearly as smart as you. Ill bet ypu have a thesaurus right next to the computer too. That is so cute! Its so sad to me that you are so beaten down in your actual life that you can only lash out at pixels on your computer screen. Jesus Fucking Christ, homie...how absolutely pathetic as fuck your real life must be. I want to start a GoFund me page...or a Jerry Lewis Labor Day telethon...in your honor. I truly feel pity for you. So its okay, you talk Barney Badass if you need to. All foam, no beer. All hat, no cowboy. You're breaking my heart, sweet pea. Do you need a hug or a shoulder to cry on? I only responded to you in kind, so your whole comment here only applies to you.

Milesnmiles -> RE: Consent 2 (11/17/2017 5:15:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Shandirra quote: ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles Just go back to your simple make believe world where you can control everyone and everything, where you can emblazon tattoos the across the foreheads of others without their consent. Weak. Uncreative. The only defense in your argument that you can muster is to parrot someone else's words? Try being original. Then again, I doubt you're capable of comprehending any literary material above disyllabic standards. At least the other trolls on this site are entertaining. You're boring as hell. You're in desperate need of a Fleshlight. You can't even see your own lack of respect for consent, like I said before, go back to your simple fairy tale world and leave the real world before it bites you.

Milesnmiles -> RE: Consent 2 (11/17/2017 5:22:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods FR: Consent to (2) what exactly? And how long has 'tache boy been talking like Prince anyway? Hi froggy, so far you don't seem to be able to find any books that will tell you what you think about consent and you can't even come up with your own insults that aren't grade school and so have to dido other's childish insults.

Danemora -> RE: Consent 2 (11/17/2017 5:41:36 PM)
Dude, you're an elderly gentleman. Why the fuck are you acting worse than my 3 year old son in the middle of a temper tantrum? Its sad when a pre-school aged child acts more mature than a grown ass man. Jesus Fucking Christ, grow up because you are making a real jackass out of yourself

Milesnmiles -> RE: Consent 2 (11/17/2017 6:06:35 PM)
Well It's gotten to the point where children that have nothing to say on the subject at hand have decided that insults are somehow comments on the subject. I can only hope that you open your eyes to the real world before you leave your childish fantasy worlds hoping that simplistic platitudes will somehow save you from the evil in the world that does not care what you think or want. If you manage to steer around those hidden rocks and your life is without tragedy, great, sail on. But if your life crashes upon those hidden reefs, don’t say I didn’t try to warn you.

Shandirra -> RE: Consent 2 (11/17/2017 7:00:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles You can't even see your own lack of respect for consent, like I said before, go back to your simple fairy tale world and leave the real world before it bites you. You're truly incapable of remaining on topic. I wash my hands of your idiocy. By the way buttercups, aviator frame sunglasses and porn star mustaches are so passe'.

Milesnmiles -> RE: Consent 2 (11/18/2017 5:48:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Shandirra You're truly incapable of remaining on topic. I wash my hands of your idiocy. By the way buttercups, aviator frame sunglasses and porn star mustaches are so passe'. quote: ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles Well, It's gotten to the point where children that have nothing to say on the subject at hand have decided that insults are somehow comments on the subject. Thanks for proving my point. ;-)

LadyPact -> RE: Consent 2 (11/18/2017 8:53:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles Bullshit? How so? Is it Bullshit that I said I would like to think you are correct or that I'm a little more cynical about the direction the government is taking than you are? Yes, because you are completely missing the distinction that, if nobody is calling for interference in your activities, chances are 'the government' isn't going to be bothering you. quote: As for this; "I've done it. Have you? Exactly how many times have the cops showed up at your door? Were they doing random checks while you were having sex with another adult?" I believe I mentioned "the direction the government is taking" not what the government is doing as we speak but then no one else is actually reading what I say so why should you be any different. Well, I've got a little experience in this area that you don't seem to have, so I'm not as worried about the big, bad government as you are. Of course, it really does help a person to know how to conduct negotiations prior to activity, how to properly deal with authorities if they happen to show up, the value of getting an enthusiastic "yes", and a bunch of things you're leaving out of this discussion. This stuff really isn't that hard.

WhoreMods -> RE: Consent 2 (11/18/2017 10:19:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods FR: Consent to (2) what exactly? And how long has 'tache boy been talking like Prince anyway? Hi froggy, so far you don't seem to be able to find any books that will tell you what you think about consent and you can't even come up with your own insults that aren't grade school and so have to dido other's childish insults. We all know you're a twelve year old wearing a false 'tache, shades and a bobble-less bobble hat to try to buy a fetish DVD over the counter because your mum checks your mail, sweetie: why advertise it further?

Milesnmiles -> RE: Consent 2 (11/18/2017 1:59:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact quote: ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles Bullshit? How so? Is it Bullshit that I said I would like to think you are correct or that I'm a little more cynical about the direction the government is taking than you are? Yes, because you are completely missing the distinction that, if nobody is calling for interference in your activities, chances are 'the government' isn't going to be bothering you. quote: As for this; "I've done it. Have you? Exactly how many times have the cops showed up at your door? Were they doing random checks while you were having sex with another adult?" I believe I mentioned "the direction the government is taking" not what the government is doing as we speak but then no one else is actually reading what I say so why should you be any different. Well, I've got a little experience in this area that you don't seem to have, so I'm not as worried about the big, bad government as you are. Of course, it really does help a person to know how to conduct negotiations prior to activity, how to properly deal with authorities if they happen to show up, the value of getting an enthusiastic "yes", and a bunch of things you're leaving out of this discussion. This stuff really isn't that hard. I guess you are so used to ignoring your subs that you don't listen to anyone anymore. I'm talking about “” the direction the government is taking” not what the government is doing as we speak”. So, unless you are from the future, you haven’t “done it”. As for having a “little experience in this area”, how is that? Did you grow up in Nazi Germany or perhaps the USSR or communist China, maybe North Korea? There have been governments that seem to want to take an interest in your private life and dealing with them is not always just knowing “how to properly deal with authorities”. I would say that whether someone is homosexual or not can be a reasonably private thing but there are places people have been put to death for this “private” thing. So like I said unless you are from the future or have experience in these things please stop saying stupid things like; “This stuff really isn’t that hard”.

Milesnmiles -> RE: Consent 2 (11/18/2017 2:05:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods quote: ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods FR: Consent to (2) what exactly? And how long has 'tache boy been talking like Prince anyway? Hi froggy, so far you don't seem to be able to find any books that will tell you what you think about consent and you can't even come up with your own insults that aren't grade school and so have to dido other's childish insults. We all know you're a twelve year old wearing a false 'tache, shades and a bobble-less bobble hat to try to buy a fetish DVD over the counter because your mum checks your mail, sweetie: why advertise it further? Froggy, is this really the best you can come up with? Try to find an adult that will help with this, because these are such obvious grade school insults that they make me feel bad for you just reading them.

LadyPact -> RE: Consent 2 (11/18/2017 3:58:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles I guess you are so used to ignoring your subs that you don't listen to anyone anymore. Oh, cut the crap. If you really have to go for the personal dig, you should take a look at your own hypocrisy. If you are concerned about the government invading your bedroom, you would do better to re-examine how you are determining consent. quote: I'm talking about “” the direction the government is taking” not what the government is doing as we speak”. So, unless you are from the future, you haven’t “done it”. Actually, I have. I've had the cops show up at the door. First time was an impromptu demo in Auburn, AL. (Circa, 2006.) The demo bottom got up, walked his buck naked @ss to the door and said he wanted to participate to the activities. Second time was the "this isn't the neighborhood for orgy noises after 10:00 PM"visit. Been the DM on shift when the fire marshal showed up. I've been on the other side, too. It took me less than a couple of hours with my husband's boss and a post Chaplain when somebody called in a false complaint. quote: As for having a “little experience in this area”, how is that? Did you grow up in Nazi Germany or perhaps the USSR or communist China, maybe North Korea? Are you an experienced DM? How many shifts at major events/clubs have you taken the floor in the USA? Have you ever interacted with the lawyers on retainer with Consent Counts, or so much have held an elected board position with a kink community? Don't make a fool of yourself. I'm way, wayyyyy more experienced than you are. quote: There have been governments that seem to want to take an interest in your private life and dealing with them is not always just knowing “how to properly deal with authorities”. Actually, EVERY person dealing in kink should know how to properly deal with authorities. I'll say it again. UNLESS YOU HAVE A THIRD PARTY CONCERNED ABOUT YOUR CONSENSUAL ACTIVITIES, YOUR PRIVATE LIFE ISN'T A CONCERN TO ANYONE. quote: I would say that whether someone is homosexual or not can be a reasonably private thing but there are places people have been put to death for this “private” thing. Stop pulling the third world sh^t. You aren't afraid of the stupid crud you are attempting to portray. quote: So like I said unless you are from the future or have experience in these things please stop saying stupid things like; “This stuff really isn’t that hard”. Consent isn't hard. If you're not sure you have it, DON'T PROCEED. If you are really that concerned about your consensual activities coming back on you, what is so hard about you saying, "thanks, but I'd rather not?" Is that one shot you have at getting laid THAT important to you that (if your fear is realized) that you are willing to do jail time for it? Granted. I get it. In any given month, I have WAYYYYY more opportunities than you do. It's probably easier for me to pass them up.

Milesnmiles -> RE: Consent 2 (11/18/2017 7:12:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact quote: ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles I guess you are so used to ignoring your subs that you don't listen to anyone anymore. Oh, cut the crap. If you really have to go for the personal dig, you should take a look at your own hypocrisy. If you are concerned about the government invading your bedroom, you would do better to re-examine how you are determining consent. quote: I'm talking about “” the direction the government is taking” not what the government is doing as we speak”. So, unless you are from the future, you haven’t “done it”. Actually, I have. I've had the cops show up at the door. First time was an impromptu demo in Auburn, AL. (Circa, 2006.) The demo bottom got up, walked his buck naked @ss to the door and said he wanted to participate to the activities. Second time was the "this isn't the neighborhood for orgy noises after 10:00 PM"visit. Been the DM on shift when the fire marshal showed up. I've been on the other side, too. It took me less than a couple of hours with my husband's boss and a post Chaplain when somebody called in a false complaint. quote: As for having a “little experience in this area”, how is that? Did you grow up in Nazi Germany or perhaps the USSR or communist China, maybe North Korea? Are you an experienced DM? How many shifts at major events/clubs have you taken the floor in the USA? Have you ever interacted with the lawyers on retainer with Consent Counts, or so much have held an elected board position with a kink community? Don't make a fool of yourself. I'm way, wayyyyy more experienced than you are. quote: There have been governments that seem to want to take an interest in your private life and dealing with them is not always just knowing “how to properly deal with authorities”. Actually, EVERY person dealing in kink should know how to properly deal with authorities. I'll say it again. UNLESS YOU HAVE A THIRD PARTY CONCERNED ABOUT YOUR CONSENSUAL ACTIVITIES, YOUR PRIVATE LIFE ISN'T A CONCERN TO ANYONE. quote: I would say that whether someone is homosexual or not can be a reasonably private thing but there are places people have been put to death for this “private” thing. Stop pulling the third world sh^t. You aren't afraid of the stupid crud you are attempting to portray. quote: So like I said unless you are from the future or have experience in these things please stop saying stupid things like; “This stuff really isn’t that hard”. Consent isn't hard. If you're not sure you have it, DON'T PROCEED. If you are really that concerned about your consensual activities coming back on you, what is so hard about you saying, "thanks, but I'd rather not?" Is that one shot you have at getting laid THAT important to you that (if your fear is realized) that you are willing to do jail time for it? Granted. I get it. In any given month, I have WAYYYYY more opportunities than you do. It's probably easier for me to pass them up. Actually, it is you that needs to “cut the crap”. You seem to be so hung up with “winning”, with being “right” and everybody else being wrong that you seem to think you have the right to the last say on everything even the future. What you don’t seem to realize is that you could have a million “real” experiences in the past that you handled, oh so well and that none of those tell us what the future will bring or are you a psychic as well as a Dom. As for how I determine consent, you have no clue how I determine consent let alone whether I do so hypocritically or not. As for my “opportunities”, you don’t know anything about me or my “opportunities”, no more than I know anything about you or your supposed “massive amounts of opportunities”. Also saying I’m “pulling the third world sh^t” doesn’t mean I’m making it up, it may be the “third world” but it’s real and happening and you need to stop turning a blind eye because it’s just the “third world” and “it can’t happen here”. So, might I suggest that before you start getting your panties in a twist and start spewing forth all this, as you call it, “crap”. That you stop and realize that no matter how much “experience” or “opportunities” you think you may have had in the past, you have no way in the world of knowing what the future will bring.

LadyPact -> RE: Consent 2 (11/19/2017 5:44:44 AM)
I'm going to put it like this. I do happen to think that most poly people involved in more than one sexually active relationship are probably doing better in the sexual activity department than the average single male in the same age group. Even if I weren't, do you have any comprehension of how easy it is for a Dominant woman to get laid? Heck, even if I were Vanilla Valerie, I'd still be doing pretty well. [:D]

Milesnmiles -> RE: Consent 2 (11/19/2017 7:31:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact I'm going to put it like this. I do happen to think that most poly people involved in more than one sexually active relationship are probably doing better in the sexual activity department than the average single male in the same age group. Even if I weren't, do you have any comprehension of how easy it is for a Dominant woman to get laid? Heck, even if I were Vanilla Valerie, I'd still be doing pretty well. [:D] Wow and this is somehow an answer to how you know what the future holds? Amazing This all started when you made a comment which I acknowledged I was pretty much in agreement with but with this one caveat; quote: ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles I realize that consent forms are necessary if you are running a "business" but with the legal system creeping into private lives of consenting adults, I can't help but wonder when we will need consent forms for even for vanilla sex in our private lives just to keep ahead of the legal system. And you followed up with this ; quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact That's the thing. If you really have two consenting adults, the legal system isn't going to be in your private life, because neither of the consenting adults will be asking for help from the legal system. Your neighbors aren't going to be calling law enforcement over two adults having vanilla sex, though they might under certain BDSM scenarios if they have reason to believe the noise you are making next door is some kind of violent situation or against some kind of noise ordnance. (Actual Good Samaritan types. Not jackasses that have some kind of vendetta against you. Though the latter can happen if somebody is a complete nutjob.) And I followed this up with; quote: ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles I'd like to think that you are correct but it seems I'm a little more cynical about the direction the government is taking than you are. ;-) Since then you have pretty much gone ballistic. The first thing you said to me after this was; “Bullshit” and that was pretty much the end of even trying to reason with you. I don’t have a clue about what set you off. You keep ranting about what you have done in the past and are doing now and I guess somehow you feel that my being cynical about the direction the government seems to be going, is what, criticizing you and what you do?

LadyPact -> RE: Consent 2 (11/19/2017 12:49:58 PM)
It's probably because there are just too many strawmen that you have chosen to put into this thread. You've said repeatedly that you are concerned about the direction "the government" is going. From there, you went to the premise of illegal sex between two men in other countries which, correct me if I'm wrong, isn't a real concern of yours unless you intend to be boffing people outside of the USA any time soon. You've complain that I don't know the future. Are you assuming in the next few decades there is going to be some massive change in the criminal justice system that a complainant is going to be missing from this equation? In my opinion, the greatest concern about this are those situations where you have violated the law in some way. The person that you have engaged with makes a formal complaint because, for some reason, they believe they were not capable of giving informed, non-impaired consent. The other person was intoxicated, they aren't actually capable for consent by mental defect, the person is not of age to consent, or something along those lines. Any of these takes the person walking into a law enforcement agency to make a complaint against you. (I'm not willing to play out Orwell's "1984" with you about 'Big Brother' bringing charges against you because I find that kind of nonsense too far into the ridiculous.) I'm going to say something about third party reports as it relates to adults. As I said earlier, I do believe in the Good Samaritan theory. These are decent people who will call LEO because they think what they have witnessed is wrong and they don't want to see somebody get hurt. I've also seen it bastardized. Stupid crap like a certain person calling in false reports because they were banned from club X, or because person A chose to date person B, rather than person C, so person C called the cops, or person D didn't approve of the consensual activities of other adults, and they decided to stick their nose in other people's bedrooms. I'll agree with you that some people do that kind of thing out of jealousy, envy, or spite. Do you know what fixes the latter category? The person you are actually engaging with being willing to say that they want to do whatever it is that you're doing. It's going to suck and it's going to be embarrassing, but it can be done, and it's a real easy way to get an investigation closed. I'm going to say something else, too. I take this stuff just as seriously as I think any male top should. I hold myself to the same standard that I think you should be doing. It takes me just as long to touch somebody's junk without their consent as it does you. If I do so, I'm just as guilty as you.

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