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RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church - 11/8/2017 5:02:53 PM   
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Again, if you actually used your brain to learn something you could have googled the subject, but you didnt, proving you would rather post an invalid argument rather than figure out the facts.


I was taking the piss, to be honest, Jeff. I don't really give a swivelling rat's anus about the relatively tiny number of people who may have trouble with feral hogs as a result of not having the requisite guns to to shoot them, should a ban on the relevant guns come into effect - which it almost certainly won't, anyway. As a matter of fact, I find it almost surreal - as well as mind-numbingly disgusting - that this thread has even got on to the matter of feral hogs and the need for guns to deal with them, so soon after this appalling massacre - about which, to recall, all you gunsters were so keen to express your utterly heartfelt 'thoughts and prayers'. It's always the same: "Terrible massacre - deplorable - but, hey, the crucial thing is NOBODY SHOULD BE TAKING OUR GUNS!". And that's how this this thread has gone, just as every thread has gone on this forum, after every one of the atrocious mass-shootings that's taken place, since I can remember.



Someone asked the simple question why anyone would want to buy one, what purpose do they serve, and we answered the fucking question.

Of course while people are concentrating on the type of gun used, they are neglecting a simple fact that allowed this guy to buy the gun that he used to kill all those people.

A fact that is the same in this incident as it has been in 56% of all mass shootings, this individual had at 3 factors that would have barred him from purchasing any kind of gun, and those things were not reported to the National Crime database, you know, that thing that is used to do the back ground checks.

Those being:

1) Dishonorably discharged from the US Air Force
2) Convicted of a Domestic Violence crime (does not matter if it was a felony conviction or misdemeanor conviction, any conviction involving domestic violence is one that will bar someone from legally purchasing a firearm)
3) Convicted of a charge that had a mandatory 18 month sentence, making it a felony in civilian courts, which again would have barred him from purchasing any kind of gun.

Granted the Air Force is going to do an investigation on the matter, which is to say that who ever was putting the data into the computer failed to hit the submit button that would have also sent the data to the National Crime Database.

The dems in Washington introduced another assault ban bill, completely ignoring the fact that under existing laws, this guy could not have purchased even a single shot target pistol, had that information been in the data base, compounding that with the fact that in the majority of mass shootings, the shooter could not have legally purchased a gun in the first place, but was able to do so because the back ground check did not have the prohibiting information.

Then the two Texas dems did not want the fact that this guy had mental issues and had even escaped from a mental institution in New Mexico used as an issue because 'they do not want to stigmatize people with mental or emotional problems" ignoring the fact that again, a large number of mass shooters had a severe mental issue that would have been enough to bar them from purchasing a gun.

So, in response to your bullshit, how about you go piss up a rope?

Better yet, research mass killings and learn for yourself that the majority of them would not have been able to buy a gun IF THE FUCKING SYSTEM WAS MADE MANDATORY so that the information that would prevent them from buying again would show up when the retailer ran the back ground check.

Of course there is a real fucking kicker to the problem, Dems supported an amendment to a bill that made it impossible to sue the person or store that sold a gun to a prohibited individual because he passed a back ground check that didnt come back with a denial result.

So at some point, the liberal shit for brains congressman realized it was not the fault of the retailers if the sold a gun after an okay to purchase result came back from the back ground check, but fuck, why fix it?

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RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church - 11/8/2017 6:03:05 PM   
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tamaka... these 26 people were not killed with cars or alcohol... go ahead and start another thread on those if you like...

Butch

No, they were killed because the people who were supposed to put information into the system didn't.

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RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church - 11/8/2017 6:10:02 PM   
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There are too many people like that to ever prevent this sort of thing from happening or to make the kind of changes that need to be made.

It's time to throw your hands up and accept that in America, being shot by a lunatic is practically 'natural causes'.


I actually do think that there *is* something of that as an underlying subtext, HB. The gunsters here do seem to talk in terms of these massacres as though they're almost like cataclysmic weather-events: they're ' horrible, but a part of nature' - it's 'terrible that they happen, and we should all cry about it and pray and offer our thoughts', but at the same time 'there's nothing to be done about it - and anybody who tries is subverting Nature, and probably also the Bible - but definitely everything Truly American'.

Or something. I don't know. It seems strange to me, as it probably seems strange to pretty much every non-American. The culture seems to be such that the most noble, impressive and laudible thing to do after one of these atrocities is to show just how much you're crying about them. But to *do* anything about them - policy change, legal change - oh no - that's *low*; that's *ignoble*. Making it 'political'. (Well, of course, unless the atrocity in question has been perpetrated by a brown man with a funny name. Then absolutely the most laudible thing to do is to talk about putting up walls and putting a stop to certain kinds of unsavoury immigrants. But nothing political about that.)

BS vetting immigrants is political. Dems don't want to vet them because
they can't vote Dem if they don't get in. So they pretend that any attempt to do so is political.
On the other had an incident like this they want to pass any anti gun law except
making putting the information in the system. After all that is the common
factor in the majority of these cases.

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RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church - 11/8/2017 7:58:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

tamaka... these 26 people were not killed with cars or alcohol... go ahead and start another thread on those if you like...

Butch

No, they were killed because the people who were supposed to put information into the system didn't.


This is a great point.

We live in a a country, where you can fairly easily purchase guns and semi-automatic weapons, legally.

AND

We have a screwed up bureaucracy and a government system, that is so flawed, that someone who had a dishonorable discharge from the military, escaped from a PSYCHIATRIC hospital, and had a history of violence against women and children was allowed to legally purchase firearms.


Why is this world in a hand basket, and where is it going?

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RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church - 11/8/2017 8:22:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Marini

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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

tamaka... these 26 people were not killed with cars or alcohol... go ahead and start another thread on those if you like...

Butch

No, they were killed because the people who were supposed to put information into the system didn't.


This is a great point.

We live in a a country, where you can fairly easily purchase guns and semi-automatic weapons, legally.

AND

We have a screwed up bureaucracy and a government system, that is so flawed, that someone who had a dishonorable discharge from the military, escaped from a PSYCHIATRIC hospital, and had a history of violence against women and children was allowed to legally purchase firearms.


Why is this world in a hand basket, and where is it going?

No, he couldn't get them legally. Had the information been placed in the
system as it was supposed to be he would have been stopped and should have done time for perjury
as the law says should happen when you lie on the forms. The law says that he can't but the "authorities" did not
follow the law. All the laws in the world do no good if they are not enforced.
be

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RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church - 11/8/2017 8:37:44 PM   
Marini


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Marini

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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

tamaka... these 26 people were not killed with cars or alcohol... go ahead and start another thread on those if you like...

Butch

No, they were killed because the people who were supposed to put information into the system didn't.


This is a great point.

We live in a a country, where you can fairly easily purchase guns and semi-automatic weapons, legally.

AND

We have a screwed up bureaucracy and a government system, that is so flawed, that someone who had a dishonorable discharge from the military, escaped from a PSYCHIATRIC hospital, and had a history of violence against women and children was allowed to legally purchase firearms.


Why is this world in a hand basket, and where is it going?

No, he couldn't get them legally. Had the information been placed in the
system as it was supposed to be he would have been stopped and should have done time for perjury
as the law says should happen when you lie on the forms. The law says that he can't but the "authorities" did not
follow the law. All the laws in the world do no good if they are not enforced.
be


Bama, did you read the part where I said the government and the bureaucracy is screwed up???

**That means the information and paperwork, and everything else, yada yada yada--was screwed up.**

AGAIN, if an escaped mental patient can legally buy guns, we are seriously screwed.

The "system" is not working.
That is all we really need to know.

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RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church - 11/8/2017 8:43:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Marini

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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Marini

quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

tamaka... these 26 people were not killed with cars or alcohol... go ahead and start another thread on those if you like...

Butch

No, they were killed because the people who were supposed to put information into the system didn't.


This is a great point.

We live in a a country, where you can fairly easily purchase guns and semi-automatic weapons, legally.

AND

We have a screwed up bureaucracy and a government system, that is so flawed, that someone who had a dishonorable discharge from the military, escaped from a PSYCHIATRIC hospital, and had a history of violence against women and children was allowed to legally purchase firearms.


Why is this world in a hand basket, and where is it going?

No, he couldn't get them legally. Had the information been placed in the
system as it was supposed to be he would have been stopped and should have done time for perjury
as the law says should happen when you lie on the forms. The law says that he can't but the "authorities" did not
follow the law. All the laws in the world do no good if they are not enforced.
be


THE SYSTEM IS NOT WORKING.

Bama, did you read the part where I said the government and the bureaucracy is screwed up???
AGAIN, if an escaped mental patient can legally buy guns, we are seriously screwed up.

You insist that he legally bought the guns, he didn't. The law wasn't enforced and that has to change.
We have to make entering the information mandatory with criminal penalties for a failure to do so.
That has to be done rather than draconian measures that will still depend on the part that isn't enforced.

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People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

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RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church - 11/8/2017 8:44:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Marini

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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Marini

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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

tamaka... these 26 people were not killed with cars or alcohol... go ahead and start another thread on those if you like...

Butch

No, they were killed because the people who were supposed to put information into the system didn't.


This is a great point.

We live in a a country, where you can fairly easily purchase guns and semi-automatic weapons, legally.

AND

We have a screwed up bureaucracy and a government system, that is so flawed, that someone who had a dishonorable discharge from the military, escaped from a PSYCHIATRIC hospital, and had a history of violence against women and children was allowed to legally purchase firearms.


Why is this world in a hand basket, and where is it going?

No, he couldn't get them legally. Had the information been placed in the
system as it was supposed to be he would have been stopped and should have done time for perjury
as the law says should happen when you lie on the forms. The law says that he can't but the "authorities" did not
follow the law. All the laws in the world do no good if they are not enforced.
be


THE SYSTEM IS NOT WORKING.

Bama, did you read the part where I said the government and the bureaucracy is screwed up???
AGAIN, if an escaped mental patient can legally buy guns, we are seriously screwed up.

You insist that he legally bought the guns, he didn't. The law wasn't enforced and that has to change.
We have to make entering the information mandatory with criminal penalties for a failure to do so.
That has to be done rather than draconian measures that will still depend on the part that isn't enforced.


I can't do this all night with you.
If the laws are not enforced, for WHATEVER FUCKING REASON, the system is screwed up.
If you can't understand that, I can't help you.

Goodnight


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RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church - 11/8/2017 8:48:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Marini

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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Marini

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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Marini

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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

tamaka... these 26 people were not killed with cars or alcohol... go ahead and start another thread on those if you like...

Butch

No, they were killed because the people who were supposed to put information into the system didn't.


This is a great point.

We live in a a country, where you can fairly easily purchase guns and semi-automatic weapons, legally.

AND

We have a screwed up bureaucracy and a government system, that is so flawed, that someone who had a dishonorable discharge from the military, escaped from a PSYCHIATRIC hospital, and had a history of violence against women and children was allowed to legally purchase firearms.


Why is this world in a hand basket, and where is it going?

No, he couldn't get them legally. Had the information been placed in the
system as it was supposed to be he would have been stopped and should have done time for perjury
as the law says should happen when you lie on the forms. The law says that he can't but the "authorities" did not
follow the law. All the laws in the world do no good if they are not enforced.
be


THE SYSTEM IS NOT WORKING.

Bama, did you read the part where I said the government and the bureaucracy is screwed up???
AGAIN, if an escaped mental patient can legally buy guns, we are seriously screwed up.

You insist that he legally bought the guns, he didn't. The law wasn't enforced and that has to change.
We have to make entering the information mandatory with criminal penalties for a failure to do so.
That has to be done rather than draconian measures that will still depend on the part that isn't enforced.


I can't do this all night with you.
If the laws are not enforced, for WHATEVER FUCKING REASON, the system is screwed up.
If you can't understand that, I can't help you.

Goodnight


I can understand that but you don't understand that just because the law against something isn't enforced doesn't make it legal.

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RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church - 11/8/2017 9:00:17 PM   
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You don't understand that laws that are this easily broken, and allow
"Mistakes" of this magnitude-- make the laws BULLSHIT.

Laws that are bullshit, create fucking mayhem and lawlessness.

Explain the "laws" to the families of the victims Sunday,and ask their opinion of your laws.
Make sure you explain that the laws are bullshit, because of all the problems.

Laws that are often not enforced or that can easily be broken are fucking meaningless.





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RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church - 11/8/2017 9:14:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Marini

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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Marini

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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

tamaka... these 26 people were not killed with cars or alcohol... go ahead and start another thread on those if you like...

Butch

No, they were killed because the people who were supposed to put information into the system didn't.


This is a great point.

We live in a a country, where you can fairly easily purchase guns and semi-automatic weapons, legally.

AND

We have a screwed up bureaucracy and a government system, that is so flawed, that someone who had a dishonorable discharge from the military, escaped from a PSYCHIATRIC hospital, and had a history of violence against women and children was allowed to legally purchase firearms.


Why is this world in a hand basket, and where is it going?

No, he couldn't get them legally. Had the information been placed in the
system as it was supposed to be he would have been stopped and should have done time for perjury
as the law says should happen when you lie on the forms. The law says that he can't but the "authorities" did not
follow the law. All the laws in the world do no good if they are not enforced.
be


THE SYSTEM IS NOT WORKING.

Bama, did you read the part where I said the government and the bureaucracy is screwed up???
AGAIN, if an escaped mental patient can legally buy guns, we are seriously screwed up.

You insist that he legally bought the guns, he didn't. The law wasn't enforced and that has to change.
We have to make entering the information mandatory with criminal penalties for a failure to do so.
That has to be done rather than draconian measures that will still depend on the part that isn't enforced.


Dude. He went to WalMart, or GunsRUs, or Hobby Lobby, or whatever, and bought the damn thing.

The sale, as far as the seller is concerned, was legal, because the background check didn't say no.

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RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church - 11/8/2017 9:16:09 PM   
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You don't understand that laws that are this easily broken, and allow
"Mistakes" of this magnitude-- make the laws BULLSHIT.

Laws that are bullshit, create fucking mayhem and lawlessness.

Explain the "laws" to the families of the victims Sunday,and ask their opinion of your laws.
Make sure you explain that the laws are bullshit, because of all the problems.

Laws that are often not enforced or that can easily be broken are fucking meaningless.





It isn't legal and we need to make screwing up like this illegal.
I think they would be rightly enraged because the Air Force screwed up.
It isn't like anyone legalized what he did.
Your argument is like saying that if someone is driving drunk at 100 mph
the fact that he did it means we need a new law to make it illegal.

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RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church - 11/8/2017 9:18:40 PM   
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I'm done.
The airforce fucked up, the laws and system is fine in Bama's world .
He will argue this for 100 pages.
I'm done


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RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church - 11/8/2017 9:19:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Marini

You don't understand that laws that are this easily broken, and allow
"Mistakes" of this magnitude-- make the laws BULLSHIT.

Laws that are bullshit, create fucking mayhem and lawlessness.

Explain the "laws" to the families of the victims Sunday,and ask their opinion of your laws.
Make sure you explain that the laws are bullshit, because of all the problems.

Laws that are often not enforced or that can easily be broken are fucking meaningless.





It isn't legal and we need to make screwing up like this illegal.
I think they would be rightly enraged because the Air Force screwed up.
It isn't like anyone legalized what he did.
Your argument is like saying that if someone is driving drunk at 100 mph
the fact that he did it means we need a new law to make it illegal.


That's not at all what her argument is like saying.

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RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church - 11/8/2017 9:21:53 PM   
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hes just happy he can blame the airforce...and not just criminals.

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RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church - 11/8/2017 9:23:53 PM   
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He does not get it and will argue forever.
I can't do this.
If someone else understands the problems, that's what counts.

If the laws can't prevent situations like this, most people will understand the laws are not working.


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RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church - 11/8/2017 9:25:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Marini

You don't understand that laws that are this easily broken, and allow
"Mistakes" of this magnitude-- make the laws BULLSHIT.

Laws that are bullshit, create fucking mayhem and lawlessness.

Explain the "laws" to the families of the victims Sunday,and ask their opinion of your laws.
Make sure you explain that the laws are bullshit, because of all the problems.

Laws that are often not enforced or that can easily be broken are fucking meaningless.





It isn't legal and we need to make screwing up like this illegal.
I think they would be rightly enraged because the Air Force screwed up.
It isn't like anyone legalized what he did.
Your argument is like saying that if someone is driving drunk at 100 mph
the fact that he did it means we need a new law to make it illegal.


That's not at all what her argument is like saying.




Yes her argument is that we should reinstate prohibition and revert to cars that can't go faster than the speed limit.

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RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church - 11/8/2017 9:26:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Marini

You don't understand that laws that are this easily broken, and allow
"Mistakes" of this magnitude-- make the laws BULLSHIT.

Laws that are bullshit, create fucking mayhem and lawlessness.

Explain the "laws" to the families of the victims Sunday,and ask their opinion of your laws.
Make sure you explain that the laws are bullshit, because of all the problems.

Laws that are often not enforced or that can easily be broken are fucking meaningless.





It isn't legal and we need to make screwing up like this illegal.
I think they would be rightly enraged because the Air Force screwed up.
It isn't like anyone legalized what he did.
Your argument is like saying that if someone is driving drunk at 100 mph
the fact that he did it means we need a new law to make it illegal.

If the reporting isn't mandatory, then this sale was legal, wasn't it? Air Force wasn't mandated to report, so technically they didn't screw up. The store that sold the weapon ran a check and it came back okay. They didn't screw up. Or is the air Force mandated to report?

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RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church - 11/8/2017 9:31:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kdsub

tamaka... these 26 people were not killed with cars or alcohol... go ahead and start another thread on those if you like...

Butch

No, they were killed because the people who were supposed to put information into the system didn't.


This is a great point.

We live in a a country, where you can fairly easily purchase guns and semi-automatic weapons, legally.

AND

We have a screwed up bureaucracy and a government system, that is so flawed, that someone who had a dishonorable discharge from the military, escaped from a PSYCHIATRIC hospital, and had a history of violence against women and children was allowed to legally purchase firearms.


Why is this world in a hand basket, and where is it going?

No, he couldn't get them legally. Had the information been placed in the
system as it was supposed to be he would have been stopped and should have done time for perjury
as the law says should happen when you lie on the forms. The law says that he can't but the "authorities" did not
follow the law. All the laws in the world do no good if they are not enforced.
be


THE SYSTEM IS NOT WORKING.

Bama, did you read the part where I said the government and the bureaucracy is screwed up???
AGAIN, if an escaped mental patient can legally buy guns, we are seriously screwed up.

You insist that he legally bought the guns, he didn't. The law wasn't enforced and that has to change.
We have to make entering the information mandatory with criminal penalties for a failure to do so.
That has to be done rather than draconian measures that will still depend on the part that isn't enforced.


Dude. He went to WalMart, or GunsRUs, or Hobby Lobby, or whatever, and bought the damn thing.

The sale, as far as the seller is concerned, was legal, because the background check didn't say no.

Just because the seller didn't have the information he needed doesn't mean
that he wasn't exactly the kind of person the background system was supposed to weed out.
What do you want. Some slug in the Air force didn't make the right entry so you penalize 1,000,000
people who did nothing wrong? I want it fixed not by changes to what makes a legal sale but by fixing the background checks .
Unless you do that any other changes won't work either.

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People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

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RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church - 11/8/2017 9:33:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Marini

He does not get it and will argue forever.
I can't do this.
If someone else understands the problems, that's what counts.

If the laws can't prevent situations like this, most people will understand the laws are not working.


I said it wasn't and told you how to fix it.

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People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

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