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RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church - 11/7/2017 9:56:27 PM

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They don’t need them and that admission means their right to own an unnecessary weapon is more important to them then the life of innocents... it is that simple.

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RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church - 11/8/2017 5:07:05 AM

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Right, so how long till the next mass-slaughter, then? A month, two weeks? Get ready with those thoughts and prayers, folks!

What a callous, and horrifically insensitive remark.

How do you all handle acts of domestic terror/or mass slaughters across the pond?
Have you all given up hope, and decided not to pray and mourn the dead?

What measures have you all put in place to stop the next mass slaughter over there?

It is obvious that laws need to changed/measures should be taken to try to prevent incidents like this, but those killed
deserve respect, prayers and to be mourned.

There's only so much respect-giving, praying and mourning you can do before you just stop caring.
I didn't know these people personally and it would be pretty insincere to tell everyone that I suddenly care so much about them because they died in yet another mass shooting instead of a series of separate car accidents or living in a war zone or something.

There are too many of these things going on all the time... if you start to seriously care about each and every one, you'll go crazy.
The last one that really got to me was Sandy Hook because it was kids... now I just sort of say 'oh, another one?'.

You can talk about other countries preventing mass slaughters, but the fact is that this shit simply does not happen as often in other countries.
Still, nothing is going to happen as long as you have people like the posters on this board actively refusing to talk about guns, deflecting, making weak analogies about cars and hammers and baseball bats, etc.

There are too many people like that to ever prevent this sort of thing from happening or to make the kind of changes that need to be made.
It's time to throw your hands up and accept that in America, being shot by a lunatic is practically 'natural causes'.

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RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church - 11/8/2017 5:50:41 AM

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They don’t need them and that admission means their right to own an unnecessary weapon is more important to them then the life of innocents... it is that simple.

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Various people have given you practical examples of how those weapons have a use in civilian hands, the fact that you cannot accept that is your own problem, but I tell you what:

You come down to my neck of the woods, I will be glad for you to use a bolt action rifle to deal with feral hogs, and when you figure out that a the boars you did not have the ammo in said rifle is not going to stop the pissed off 500 pound animals that are trying to get to you, I will gladly rent another to you for a significant amount, or be more than happy to call 911 when said animals have ripped you open with those razor sharp 6 inch tusks.

And if you dont think that these animals are a particularly bad problem, look at these.

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RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church - 11/8/2017 6:52:54 AM

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Jeff... I could do just fine with any number of weapons. But I must tell you here in Missouri the conservation department has recommended NOT shooting feral hogs as it just scatters the herd causing an increase in the population. They say to notify them and they will capture to whole herd at once.

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RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church - 11/8/2017 6:57:10 AM

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Check THIS out

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RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church - 11/8/2017 7:31:46 AM

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They don’t need them and that admission means their right to own an unnecessary weapon is more important to them then the life of innocents... it is that simple.

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lol... that was pretty good.

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RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church - 11/8/2017 9:17:36 AM

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Jeff... I could do just fine with any number of weapons. But I must tell you here in Missouri the conservation department has recommended NOT shooting feral hogs as it just scatters the herd causing an increase in the population. They say to notify them and they will capture to whole herd at once.

Butch

Gee, the MDC caught just over 5000 last year, great dent in an estimated population of 50,000, which considering how fast the hogs breed means that the state is not even keeping up with the birth rate.

Not to mention that the problem is in an estimated 30 Missouri counties.

You might want to look at how many states tried the "dont shoot em let us catch em" plan and failed because the state could not keep up with number of hogs.

In point of fact, only six states with a hog problem have a do not hunt rule.

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RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church - 11/8/2017 12:00:52 PM

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Thoughts & prayers to Senate Democrats who presented a new assault weapons ban today.

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RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church - 11/8/2017 12:42:53 PM

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Thoughts & prayers to Senate Democrats who presented a new assault weapons ban today.

No, they presented a new ban on a style of weapon that they call an assault weapon, based on certain features, completely disregarding the fact that in ALL of the mass shootings since Columbine, this type of weapon has only been used in a total of 14.

Which makes as much sense as the Democrat who introduced a bill to make it mandatory for car makers to put a motion detector in the back seat of cars to prevent parents from accidentally leaving children in the cars.

I find it funny as fucking hell that with all the noise being raised about how the Air Force neglected to supply the information that would have kept the shooter from buying a gun in the first place, there is no fucking mention of making that kind of reporting of information manadatory.

Nor did they seem to remember that the previous 'assault weapon' ban did nothing in the way of preventing mass shootings, or make a dent in gun crime at any level, because criminals went and used different guns that werent banned.

So, lets consider the logic, if you ban one type of firearm and all criminals do is go to a different type of gun and commit the same crimes, what is the next step?

Well if you are trying to prevent gun crime, if banning one gun doesnt work, then you need to ban the gun that replaced the first one and keep going till you have banned all of them.

I am in full support of gun regulations that work, and when these dipshit dumbasses finally realize (you would have thought this incident would have brought it home) why the present laws arent working, MAYBE someone will come up with a sensible way to fix the fucking problem.

Lets face it, a semi automatic pistol is easier to handle, the ammo is much lighter, you have a faster reload time, and if you are a half way decent marksmen, you can do more damage in a shorter amount of time.

See Virginia Tech, no assault weapons there and 32 killed.

Funny, that guy should not have been able to buy a gun either, and the lawmakers in Virginia figured out why he was able to do it and passed a law to prevent it from happening again.

But, the lesson learned then as now is not fix the problem, but place blame or fucking completely fucking ignore it.

Which democrats are oh so fucking good at.

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RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church - 11/8/2017 12:58:58 PM

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the news comingout about the shooter and his '''behaviour" whilst in the forces sadly doesnt surprise me, not that its the military, specifically but mental health reporting in the first place, Im not excusing the issue, i hope the victims sue... this opens a whole other bunch of worms regarding domestic violence, and guns, and then we get into the rights of someone innocent being accused and jailed.
But it is time to discuss it. Isnt it?

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RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church - 11/8/2017 1:23:46 PM

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the news comingout about the shooter and his '''behaviour" whilst in the forces sadly doesnt surprise me, not that its the military, specifically but mental health reporting in the first place, Im not excusing the issue, i hope the victims sue... this opens a whole other bunch of worms regarding domestic violence, and guns, and then we get into the rights of someone innocent being accused and jailed.
But it is time to discuss it. Isnt it?

Yes it is time to discuss it.

And there is this article that I hope the survivors follow up on!

Of course, in Texas, the dems have made their move, ignoring the most pressing fact and coming up with this:

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At a news conference organized by Texas Gun Sense at the state capitol on Wednesday, state Reps. Poncho Nevárez, D-Eagle Pass, and Nicole Collier, D-Fort Worth, urged state leaders to declare gun violence a public health issue and reform existing gun regulations.

Nevárez proposed limiting the ability of Texans to "walk around" with long rifles, such as the AR-15 variant used by the shooter Sunday. Texas has allowed long gun owners to openly carry their weapons for decades.

Collier urged state leaders to declare gun violence a public health issue, comparing it to other health crises such as obesity and the opioid epidemic. She also denounced those, such as President Donald Trump, who have focused on addressing mental health issues following the shooting rather than guns themselves. While acknowledging mental health plays a critical role in gun violence, she said focusing entirely on mental health is a "distraction" from the role of easy access to guns and "stigmatizes" those with mental health issues.
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RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church - 11/8/2017 1:47:05 PM

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the news comingout about the shooter and his '''behaviour" whilst in the forces sadly doesnt surprise me, not that its the military, specifically but mental health reporting in the first place, Im not excusing the issue, i hope the victims sue... this opens a whole other bunch of worms regarding domestic violence, and guns, and then we get into the rights of someone innocent being accused and jailed.
But it is time to discuss it. Isnt it?

Yes it is time to discuss it.

And there is this article that I hope the survivors follow up on!

Of course, in Texas, the dems have made their move, ignoring the most pressing fact and coming up with this:

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At a news conference organized by Texas Gun Sense at the state capitol on Wednesday, state Reps. Poncho Nevárez, D-Eagle Pass, and Nicole Collier, D-Fort Worth, urged state leaders to declare gun violence a public health issue and reform existing gun regulations.

Nevárez proposed limiting the ability of Texans to "walk around" with long rifles, such as the AR-15 variant used by the shooter Sunday. Texas has allowed long gun owners to openly carry their weapons for decades.

Collier urged state leaders to declare gun violence a public health issue, comparing it to other health crises such as obesity and the opioid epidemic. She also denounced those, such as President Donald Trump, who have focused on addressing mental health issues following the shooting rather than guns themselves. While acknowledging mental health plays a critical role in gun violence, she said focusing entirely on mental health is a "distraction" from the role of easy access to guns and "stigmatizes" those with mental health issues.
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Funny that they all yell about how he shouldn't have been able to get the
guns but they ignore the fact that current law didn't allow him to except that
putting his information in the system isn't required by law. That is the change that
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RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church - 11/8/2017 2:00:11 PM

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WTF is all this "whilst" shit?

When the fuck did everyone become British?

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RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church - 11/8/2017 2:13:20 PM

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You come down to my neck of the woods, I will be glad for you to use a bolt action rifle to deal with feral hogs

It astonishes me that the Native Americans managed to survive, and even flourish, without firearms - and for thousands of years, despite the lethal fauna that existed - and indeed in far greater numbers - before the Europeans arrived. How do you think they managed that, Jeff? Were they just lucky?

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RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church - 11/8/2017 2:34:25 PM

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You come down to my neck of the woods, I will be glad for you to use a bolt action rifle to deal with feral hogs

It astonishes me that the Native Americans managed to survive, and even flourish, without firearms - and for thousands of years, despite the lethal fauna that existed - and indeed in far greater numbers - before the Europeans arrived. How do you think they managed that, Jeff? Were they just lucky?

Hogs are not native to the Americas.

Secondly, before horses, native Americans would stampede herds of animals off cliffs, read it for yourself, and hunted in groups, not alone, for mutual protection.

And as for predators, they rarely attack groups of humans, if you used your brain for more than stupid posts, you might have actually learned that in school, and rarely do they attack single humans unless the human does something exceedingly stupid, or the animal is sick, old or hurt.

Carrying this a bit further, contrary to the arguments of farmers and ranchers, predators rarely go after healthy livestock, instead killing livestock that is old, sick or injured, in other words, they kill domesticated animals with the same criteria as they kill natural prey animals.

However, in point of fact, the feral hog problem in the United States is directly related to European explorers having them on expeditions where they either escaped or were released. Feral hogs are also prolific breeders, a single sow can have as many as fifteen piglets at a time.

They destroy farmland, pastures, eat hay and feed placed for domesticated livestock, pose a threat to humans since they will charge people wondering around in the brush (you know farmers and ranchers tend to do that sort of thing if they notice an animal missing) and they are so bad they are starting to invade urban areas as well.

Again, if you actually used your brain to learn something you could have googled the subject, but you didnt, proving you would rather post an invalid argument rather than figure out the facts.

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RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church - 11/8/2017 4:21:41 PM

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It has not failed here... it works very well... and you do not need an AR-15 or its type to kill pigs... If you can't do it with your 06 or 30 30 then you should not own any weapon.

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RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church - 11/8/2017 4:33:17 PM

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Again, if you actually used your brain to learn something you could have googled the subject, but you didnt, proving you would rather post an invalid argument rather than figure out the facts.

I was taking the piss, to be honest, Jeff. I don't really give a swivelling rat's anus about the relatively tiny number of people who may have trouble with feral hogs as a result of not having the requisite guns to to shoot them, should a ban on the relevant guns come into effect - which it almost certainly won't, anyway. As a matter of fact, I find it almost surreal - as well as mind-numbingly disgusting - that this thread has even got on to the matter of feral hogs and the need for guns to deal with them, so soon after this appalling massacre - about which, to recall, all you gunsters were so keen to express your utterly heartfelt 'thoughts and prayers'. It's always the same: "Terrible massacre - deplorable - but, hey, the crucial thing is NOBODY SHOULD BE TAKING OUR GUNS!". And that's how this this thread has gone, just as every thread has gone on this forum, after every one of the atrocious mass-shootings that's taken place, since I can remember.

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RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church - 11/8/2017 4:45:19 PM

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What about alcohol and cars?

It seems like it doesn't matter if people get killed, unless of course it is by a gun.

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RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church - 11/8/2017 4:54:47 PM

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tamaka... these 26 people were not killed with cars or alcohol... go ahead and start another thread on those if you like...

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RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church - 11/8/2017 4:56:38 PM

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There are too many people like that to ever prevent this sort of thing from happening or to make the kind of changes that need to be made.

It's time to throw your hands up and accept that in America, being shot by a lunatic is practically 'natural causes'.

I actually do think that there *is* something of that as an underlying subtext, HB. The gunsters here do seem to talk in terms of these massacres as though they're almost like cataclysmic weather-events: they're ' horrible, but a part of nature' - it's 'terrible that they happen, and we should all cry about it and pray and offer our thoughts', but at the same time 'there's nothing to be done about it - and anybody who tries is subverting Nature, and probably also the Bible - but definitely everything Truly American'.

Or something. I don't know. It seems strange to me, as it probably seems strange to pretty much every non-American. The culture seems to be such that the most noble, impressive and laudible thing to do after one of these atrocities is to show just how much you're crying about them. But to *do* anything about them - policy change, legal change - oh no - that's *low*; that's *ignoble*. Making it 'political'. (Well, of course, unless the atrocity in question has been perpetrated by a brown man with a funny name. Then absolutely the most laudible thing to do is to talk about putting up walls and putting a stop to certain kinds of unsavoury immigrants. But nothing political about that.)

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