jlf1961
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It's a little too late for "shouldn't have happened", because it already fucking happened.
This background check database needs to be brought up to speed with modern technology and mandatory reporting from all agencies, with database staffers accessing arrest and court reports daily.
Possibly include a check of social media by the sellers.
Uh, I have been saying that for years.
Of course, I still find it interesting that congress passed a law admitting there was a problem with the database used for back ground checks to keep gun retailers from being sued without actually fixing the problem.
Typical congressional response, ignore the real issue and protect someone for doing something right, knowing that because congress fucked up in the first place, but not actually doing anything from preventing it from happening again.
You know, kinda like the assault weapon ban bill introduced this week, goes after guns BUT does not have one thing to fix the reason this asshole could purchase a gun when he should not have been able to.
I decided yesterday to actually find out a few things about the court system reporting to the National Crime database after say a domestic violence conviction, or the entry of a protective order into the court records system, and for kicks took someone that is so adamantly in support of more gun laws to want the 2nd amendment repealed with me.
We saw a friend of mine that works for the clerk of superior court, criminal division and I asked just how this shooter's information got misplaced and not entered into the database.
She was extremely helpful, although admitted she did not know what the military uses for court data entry, but in the software used by state courts, it is simple data entry, fill in the blanks in a form on screen that is part of the software suite used.
Now, at the bottom of the form are two buttons, one for save, which saves it to the local and state computer network, after clicking save, there is a popup that asks if operator wants to transmit the data entered to the National Crime database.
that popup has two buttons, yes and no, but of course there is the little x in the top right corner to close the window.
The clerk of court watched the whole thing, and then volunteered a nice tidbit, that popup can be disabled when the software is installed.
Well my anti gun companion asked the question, "why would anyone disable that popup?"
The clerk replied, "sending the data to the National Crime database is not mandatory for states or local courts, by federal law. In Texas, state law makes it mandatory for state courts to put that information in, but not for say, a county magistrate that might issue a temporary protective order. So if the shooter had those convictions in Texas, it would have been sent to the database automatically."
Now the magistrate information is interesting, because a person can be hit with a temporary protective order by a magistrate at the time of arrest for domestic violence, and after that, a copy of the arrest report, the temporary protective order, and bail amount is sent to the DA's office so they can set the first court date.
So for at least sixty days, no one but the magistrate and the sheriff's department would have any idea about a domestic violence protective order, which means some guy can get arrested for domestic violence, have a temporary order placed on them, and then go out and buy a gun to shoot the woman he beat the crap out of who called the police.
I thought the friend that is anti gun was going to be sick. I had proved my argument in a way that proved to her that a) congress has known the problem exists, why it exists and the only thing they did was to pass a law to keep victims and survivors from suing gun retailers if they sold a gun to someone based on an erroneous back ground check result, and b) those wonderful congress members could have prevented a shit ton of killings starting years ago.
Well, she has not been converted to pro gun, that was not my intent, but she has learned that no one at the federal level gives a fuck about fixing the system. The only thing her esteemed liberal representatives will do is introduce some bill to ban some guns.
So, JVoV, it is not technology that is the problem with the database, the technology is nearly as old as the internet, and as old as the database system itself.
The problem is that the system is not mandatory, the problem is that the states themselves can opt out of submitting data by disabling part of the software, and then there is the problem that congress has known about this issue for god knows how long and has chosen not to do a goddamn thing about it.
And they wont do anything about it because it makes better headlines and better sound bites to use in elections for liberals to claim "we tried to ban those guns, but the evil GOP stopped us! Vote for me because I care and they dont!" or a GOP candidate can make the claim "The evil liberals tried to take your guns and I stopped them, vote for me they are trying to take away your right to own guns."
And during this 'debate' some guy gets pissed off at his inlaws cause they got mad because he beat the shit out of their little girl goes out and buys a gun and a shit ton of ammo and shoots up a church, or restaurant, or some other place and kills a lot of people, all because the back ground check did not show he was barred from purchasing a gun.
Why? Because those dick heads that get elected care less for the voters than they do about looking good for the voters.
Oh, in case you didnt know, that shooter on Sunday was after his mother in law, he actually sent her text message threats that morning, and the church he shot up was the one that she and her husband attended, they just happened to be running late that morning.
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