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Lucylastic -> RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church (11/6/2017 8:51:27 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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Militant fucking Atheist!

I swear right! The Atheist American organization is embarrassing the hell out of Atheist of the world! First they start this war against Christmas and wanted Christians to remove any Nativity display in public spaces.

Now they are killing Christians!

I don't know what is in the US that is making Atheists people banding together and hating on Christians so much. I feel like alot of these Atheists were Ex-Christians angry with the Christian God.

PS: And I am an Atheist saying this! Condemning my own! My choice in Atheism came from a simple experiment that I realise I still can get what I want, whether I pray or don't pray for it. Which makes me realise that my life is in my own control and no higher being is gonna make a difference in it.

But I would not be friends with American Atheists that is part of that Atheist organization attacking Christians. As that's just bullshit and vindictive bullshit. I swear only ex-christian Atheist are on some angry vengeance.



do you have a source from the police for this????
please




Greta75 -> RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church (11/6/2017 8:53:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

do you have a source from the police for this????
please



What do you mean? OP's linked article clearly state the killer is an ex-christian and now an atheist.

I am just saying that the most aggressive atheists in the universe came from the US.

So Atheists are starting to go after Christians.

Man oh man..., we got a problem! Need ta shut down the "Freedom From Religion Foundation" that are encouraging all the Atheists in the US to be antagonistic towards Christians. And I feel super annoyed at their organization name because, "I want my Freedom from Religion" is my favourite tagline. But not in this way, where we eliminate all presence of religions. It's more like personal freedom from all religion, which literally means being an Atheist. Doesn't mean I want others to convert into Atheism UNLESS they feel it benefits them.

Former classmates described him as 'creepy', 'crazy' and an 'outcast' who had recently started preaching about atheism and picking fights on social media.
A LinkedIn account reveals Kelley, who was married, was an Air Force veteran and ex-Bible studies teacher
<-- All these from OP's Link

It is clear to me that this is a man angry at the Christian God and wants to take revenge. I mean Ex-Bible studies teacher turn Atheist? Who wanna murder Christians now? I won't be surprise if this is anger towards the Christian God and daring him to show his powers and rescue his church people.






Lucylastic -> RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church (11/6/2017 9:08:36 AM)

AS simple no would suffice,, as the police have said nothing.
His motive is as yet unknown
domestic violence, was sure as hell one of his issues tho...




Greta75 -> RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church (11/6/2017 9:12:06 AM)

Yes, and he is a violent person who uses violence to solve problems. You know, police got SOP to follow.

But for me, first of all, most Christians turn atheists is because they are angry with the Christian God.

I mean the fact he literally taught Bible Studies. Unless in the US, even Atheist can teach Bible Studies? I don't know. Over here, to teach Bible Studies, gotta be some serious Christian Christian, really deep into his or her faith.

For him to turn against his faith. I tell ya, it's anger. And usually due to something that happened to him in life that he felt was extremely unfair and God did not save him.

Anyway, this is my conclusion of this case. Whatever the police come out with, won't be surprise, it's like what I said.




MasterDrakk -> RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church (11/6/2017 9:12:46 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75
It is clear to me that this is a man angry at the Christian God and wants to take revenge. I mean Ex-Bible studies teacher turn Atheist? Who wanna murder Christians now? I won't be surprise if this is anger towards the Christian God and daring him to show his powers and rescue his church people.


Yes, it could only be clear to you, thats why he drove 40 miles to the church his ex-inlaws
attended rather than a megachurch in San Antonio, near him, where he could have killed many more xtians.

You got a handle on this, like nobody else does.




Greta75 -> RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church (11/6/2017 9:14:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MasterDrakk


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ORIGINAL: Greta75
It is clear to me that this is a man angry at the Christian God and wants to take revenge. I mean Ex-Bible studies teacher turn Atheist? Who wanna murder Christians now? I won't be surprise if this is anger towards the Christian God and daring him to show his powers and rescue his church people.


Yes, it could only be clear to you, thats why he drove 40 miles to the church his ex-inlaws
attended rather than a megachurch in San Antonio, near him, where he could have killed many more xtians.

You got a handle on this, like nobody else does.

Well, if this is the church that his inlaw's attended, means he knows personal christians there who probably also gave him shit for turning atheist.

Can you imagine a bible studies teacher turn atheist?

The kinda shit he would be getting from his Christian circle? Which would involve the inlaw's church folks that he may know some of them.

I tell you with super religious church people, turning atheists is as good as joining Satan's army. I've experience it myself. As I was "Christian" for awhile. Ya know, attended church and shit. But I was atheist then peer pressured into Christianity when I was young by school and friends. Then I left the church. And the reaction was more like, "Satan got to her! She's bad influence, keep away from her." But in my case, I was brought up to be an atheist, peer pressured into christianity where I had alot doubts, then I did my experiment to prove to myself it's all voodoo, I mean Christianity bullshit. It prove positively voodoo and I went back to being an Atheist.

Infact hilariously, my dad was getting upset when I was attending church because he always told me Christian people are evil and stay away from the churches. He is an atheist himself. But I got sent to Christian school by my mom, my dad doesn't choose schools and my mom was not christian but she liked the corporal punishment disciplinary system of this christian school so she chose it, and horrors, had bible studies. So that's where I learn about Christianity and got peer pressured into one.




Hillwilliam -> RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church (11/6/2017 9:19:00 AM)


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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
IMO, if we could figure out why some people decide to kill other people, we'd be so much further ahead than blaming the tool used.

Well, part of the reason is probably because he loved guns a little too much.


He "loved guns a little too much," so he decided to shoot people? Wow. That's a completely fucking stupid comment.



And on top of your truly sad physical deformity, you're a completely fucking stupid person.

He posted a picture of his gun on facebook, calling it a 'bad bitch'... he was practically sexualizing


How many people do exactly that with cars? You don't see them mowing down pedestrians do you?

Your logic is quite faulty




jlf1961 -> RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church (11/6/2017 9:19:13 AM)


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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
IMO, if we could figure out why some people decide to kill other people, we'd be so much further ahead than blaming the tool used.

Well, part of the reason is probably because he loved guns a little too much.


He "loved guns a little too much," so he decided to shoot people? Wow. That's a completely fucking stupid comment.



And on top of your truly sad physical deformity, you're a completely fucking stupid person.

He posted a picture of his gun on facebook, calling it a 'bad bitch'... he was practically sexualizing the thing.

He was attracted to the gun because of its destructive potential, because of how its potential to cause death made him feel powerful.
The whole point of owning a gun is to kill or otherwise disempower other living things, for whatever reason.

I'm sorry if this is too difficult for you to understand.




First thing, I have heard men (and women for that matter) refer to cars, trucks, bikes and other non human objects as a 'bad bitch.'

Secondly, you are right, for the most part, point of owning a gun is to kill, however the point for 99.9999999% of gun owners is not to kill a human being.

And as for the question, why does someone go out and kill someone, well its been going on since the first cave man figured out that fixing a rock to a chunk of wood is better than trying to kill something with its bare hands.

Gunpowder was invented by the chinese and was originally used to in festivals and whatever to scare off evil spirits and demons. Then one bright, industrious individual figured out that if you attached those rockets to arrows, they go further and really do a number on enemy troops.

From rocket propelled arrows it went to cannons, to hand held firearms.

Of course, crossbows were developed to punch through plate armor worn by knights and men at arms.

Bottom line, humans are predators, they will kill for sport, food, or because they wake up one day and decide they are going to kill a bunch of people. And they use whatever they have to do it.

Guns were available to Jack the Ripper, he chose a knife, Albert DeSalvo used nylons to strangle his victims, Timothy McVeigh built a bomb.

And this guy used a rifle that is not sold in any standard gun retailer since it was specifically designed and marketed to law enforcement.

But of course, the anti gun folks are screaming 'gun,' when the real question is, how did a man denied on a back ground check come into possession of a gun that is a) not marketed to the general public and b) he got it after a background check showed he was prohibited from purchasing a gun in the first place.

Hell to modify a standard rugar AR type rifle to fit that police model would run a few grand, just for the add ons.




MasterDrakk -> RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church (11/6/2017 9:19:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: MasterDrakk


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ORIGINAL: Greta75
It is clear to me that this is a man angry at the Christian God and wants to take revenge. I mean Ex-Bible studies teacher turn Atheist? Who wanna murder Christians now? I won't be surprise if this is anger towards the Christian God and daring him to show his powers and rescue his church people.


Yes, it could only be clear to you, thats why he drove 40 miles to the church his ex-inlaws
attended rather than a megachurch in San Antonio, near him, where he could have killed many more xtians.

You got a handle on this, like nobody else does.

Well, if this is the church that his inlaw's attended, means he knows personal christians there who probably also gave him shit for turning atheist.

Can you imagine a bible studies teacher turn atheist?

The kinda shit he would be getting from his Christian circle? Which would involve the inlaw's church folks that he may know some of them.

I tell you with super religious church people, turning atheists is as good as joining Satan's army. I've experience it myself. As I was "Christian" for awhile. Ya know, attended church and shit. But I was atheist then peer pressured into Christianity when I was young by school and friends. Then I left the church. And the reaction was more like, "Satan got to her! She's bad influence, keep away from her."

Yeah, no. Seems like he knew a hellofa lot more xtians where he lived. So, you are with the army of satan now, what is your rank? And how far do you go to shoot up churches?




heavyblinker -> RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church (11/6/2017 9:23:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
IMO, if we could figure out why some people decide to kill other people, we'd be so much further ahead than blaming the tool used.

Well, part of the reason is probably because he loved guns a little too much.


He "loved guns a little too much," so he decided to shoot people? Wow. That's a completely fucking stupid comment.



And on top of your truly sad physical deformity, you're a completely fucking stupid person.

He posted a picture of his gun on facebook, calling it a 'bad bitch'... he was practically sexualizing


How many people do exactly that with cars? You don't see them mowing down pedestrians do you?

Your logic is quite faulty


LOL... yes, my logic is faulty.
It makes so much more sense to suggest that guns and cars are the same thing.

It isn't about simply sexualizing a product, it's about sexualizing a product that's entire purpose is to kill.
Cars don't typically serve that purpose, at least not exclusively.






blnymph -> RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church (11/6/2017 9:25:11 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75

Yes, and he is a violent person who uses violence to solve problems. You know, police got SOP to follow.

But for me, first of all, most Christians turn atheists is because they are angry with the Christian God.
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For you maybe, but also only for you maybe. (Fundy nutjobs not counting)

Most atheists in all likeliness are atheists because they simply don't care about any deity, whether christian or other.

Whether you are able to understand the concept of not caring about any religion is a different matter - but it exists.





Greta75 -> RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church (11/6/2017 9:25:25 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MasterDrakk
Yeah, no. Seems like he knew a hellofa lot more xtians where he lived. So, you are with the army of satan now, what is your rank? And how far do you go to shoot up churches?

Well maybe the xtians meanest to him was from his in-law's church. Because his in laws must have given him shit for quitting Christianity too.

I don't believe in God or Satan. I believe they are the same person who are just fucking with Christians.




LadyPact -> RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church (11/6/2017 9:28:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Greta75
But for me, first of all, most Christians turn atheists is because they are angry with the Christian God.

Or they are angry with other Christians, such as ones who might be supportive of somebody's former wife (and in-laws) who supported her when she was getting away from the bastard who was arrested for beating her and their son.

This wasn't a random shooting. This was a specific church that was targeted.





Lucylastic -> RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church (11/6/2017 9:29:05 AM)

ok shit is all you have to offer, congratulations,
just like the vegas killer.




Greta75 -> RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church (11/6/2017 9:31:57 AM)

Man and he became a damn bible study teacher at a different branch of this specific church he shot at AFTER he assaulted his wife and kids.

WTF! I think domestic violence offenders shouldn't be allowed to be religious leaders. They are suppose to be teaching peace.




heavyblinker -> RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church (11/6/2017 9:32:21 AM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
First thing, I have heard men (and women for that matter) refer to cars, trucks, bikes and other non human objects as a 'bad bitch.'


Yes, because they are really excited about putting those things to use.
This is what happened in the church.




MasterDrakk -> RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church (11/6/2017 9:37:25 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75

Man and he became a damn bible study teacher at a different branch of this specific church he shot at AFTER he assaulted his wife and kids.

WTF! I think domestic violence offenders shouldn't be allowed to be religious leaders. They are suppose to be teaching peace.

Different branch of this specific church.

Uh, Baptists are like tze tze flies in the south.




LadyPact -> RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church (11/6/2017 9:38:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Greta75
Man and he became a damn bible study teacher at a different branch of this specific church he shot at AFTER he assaulted his wife and kids.

It wasn't AFTER. That was BEFORE.

In this instance, it might be helpful for you to read the articles more carefully.





Greta75 -> RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church (11/6/2017 9:39:00 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
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ORIGINAL: Greta75
But for me, first of all, most Christians turn atheists is because they are angry with the Christian God.

Or they are angry with other Christians, such as ones who might be supportive of somebody's former wife (and in-laws) who supported her when she was getting away from the bastard who was arrested for beating her and their son.

This wasn't a random shooting. This was a specific church that was targeted.


I had the impression he is still with his wife at time of shooting, because they say he is still married? But of course his in laws will be upset with him or upset with his wife for not divorcing him yet.
It definitely was no random for sure. It was a vindictive shooting.

But generally at least from the culture of Christians over here. If you are a Christian marrying other Christians. The church the inlaws goes to may be the same church the wife went to while growing up in her family. So alot of church friends of his inlaws or wife he would have known and also he might have been invited to that church and he would have gone. There could have been apart from the inlaws, people from that church probably not so nice to him after the wife beating incident and also it probably got worst when he stops being a Christian. It just shows like, everything is going downhill with him.

Ugh I can't get over how a stupid church can employ a man who beat his wife AS A DAMN bible study teacher!





blnymph -> RE: At "least" 27 People killed in Texas church (11/6/2017 9:39:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

...
Bottom line, humans are predators, they will kill for sport, food, or because they wake up one day and decide they are going to kill a bunch of people. And they use whatever they have to do it.
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It is not a natural law like the laws of gravity. And there is a way - not an easy one for sure - to keep them from killing a bunch of people voluntarily. It is called civilisation.




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