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Paradise Papers...a primer. - 11/7/2017 5:08:49 AM   
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IF you are interested. Im not claiming its factual, Im not saying its not a hoax, or more proof of russian disinformation, Im just offering up some information about it from whats out right now...
Open minded?, Me? I doubt it, im angry that the rich fuck the world and have been for decades, I reserve the right to change my opinions as the "facts" come out.



From the wiki page,..https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradise_Papers

The Paradise Papers is a set of 13.4 million confidential electronic documents relating to offshore investment that were leaked to a German newspaper and on 5 November 2017 were released into the public domain.
The documents originate from the offshore law firm Appleby, the corporate services providers Estera and Asiaciti Trust, and business registries in 19 tax jurisdictions.

They contain the names of more than 120,000 people and companies. Among those whose financial affairs are mentioned are Queen Elizabeth II, the President of Colombia, Juan Manuel Santos, and the U.S. Secretary of Commerce, Wilbur Ross. According to the Boston Consulting Group, the amount of money involved is around $10 trillion.

Here are links directly to the ICIJ
https://projects.icij.org/paradise-papers/the-influencers/#/
https://www.icij.org/investigations/paradise-papers/donald-trumps-commerce-secretary-wilbur-ross-and-his-russian-business-ties/
https://www.icij.org/investigations/paradise-papers/paradise-papers-exposes-donald-trump-russia-links-and-piggy-banks-of-the-wealthiest-1-percent/
Wiki description of ICIJ

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Consortium_of_Investigative_Journalists

Theres a lot of info, and Iv'e hardly started, If anyone has any other source material that might help please link:)



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RE: Paradise Papers...a primer. - 11/7/2017 5:18:50 AM   
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It is not a hoax. These wealthy people from almost everywhere it seems, are taking advantage of a legal loop hole to reduce their tax liabilities. As for Wilber Ross, He disclosed his investments in these funds before being part of the Trump administration.

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RE: Paradise Papers...a primer. - 11/7/2017 5:23:07 AM   
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And this sort of thing is why arguments about trickle down theory are so absurd: the plutocracy's money doesn't trickle down, it's removed from the economy and most of the time from the country as well.

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RE: Paradise Papers...a primer. - 11/7/2017 6:19:39 AM   
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And this sort of thing is why arguments about trickle down theory are so absurd: the plutocracy's money doesn't trickle down, it's removed from the economy and most of the time from the country as well.


Removed because of exorbitant taxes (theft by government)

Then the howlers scream, why do you hide it away

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RE: Paradise Papers...a primer. - 11/7/2017 6:27:20 AM   
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It is not a hoax. These wealthy people from almost everywhere it seems, are taking advantage of a legal loop hole to reduce their tax liabilities. As for Wilber Ross, He disclosed his investments in these funds before being part of the Trump administration.


It seems he may have missed a couple, but an inquiry will reveal the facts:)




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RE: Paradise Papers...a primer. - 11/7/2017 6:39:25 AM   
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It is not a hoax. These wealthy people from almost everywhere it seems, are taking advantage of a legal loop hole to reduce their tax liabilities. As for Wilber Ross, He disclosed his investments in these funds before being part of the Trump administration.


It seems he may have missed a couple, but an inquiry will reveal the facts:)





Why the 'Hillary Probed' thread is as long as it is - those dissenting from the Washington 1% elitists club are examined with microscopes for even the most minute transgressions that can then be blown up by the media into "TREASON!!!" blah blah blah bs...While the Hillarys in Washington who are known to have personally committed serious felonies, are cleared without investigation or questioning



Scandalous, outrageous conduct which undermines the Democratic process, as well as justice itself

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RE: Paradise Papers...a primer. - 11/7/2017 6:45:58 AM   
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but hillary, but hillary
but you have no evidence even close to the senate intel released yesterday, or anything actually close to hillary at all. Evidentiary wise.
Ross's testimony is out there. in the capable hands of the repubs in the house and senate committees.

If there is anything in the Paradise Papers about hillary, bill or chelsea, if there is, let it come out (do you have some evidence? a link, a source)
or are you just bleating?


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RE: Paradise Papers...a primer. - 11/7/2017 8:00:35 AM   
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And this sort of thing is why arguments about trickle down theory are so absurd: the plutocracy's money doesn't trickle down, it's removed from the economy and most of the time from the country as well.


Removed because of exorbitant taxes (theft by government)

Then the howlers scream, why do you hide it away

The last time there was an "exorbitant" tax on the top income bracket Eisenhower was still president.

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RE: Paradise Papers...a primer. - 11/7/2017 8:52:22 AM   
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And this sort of thing is why arguments about trickle down theory are so absurd: the plutocracy's money doesn't trickle down, it's removed from the economy and most of the time from the country as well.


Removed because of exorbitant taxes (theft by government)

Then the howlers scream, why do you hide it away

The last time there was an "exorbitant" tax on the top income bracket Eisenhower was still president.


40% of your income is literally nothing to welfare cheat howlers like you, I am sure...



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RE: Paradise Papers...a primer. - 11/7/2017 8:58:12 AM   
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Let all of them rot, the sooner the better, why cant you get that, but lets see some actual evidence...proof, legal like...not fake...


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RE: Paradise Papers...a primer. - 11/7/2017 10:04:32 AM   
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And this sort of thing is why arguments about trickle down theory are so absurd: the plutocracy's money doesn't trickle down, it's removed from the economy and most of the time from the country as well.


Removed because of exorbitant taxes (theft by government)

Then the howlers scream, why do you hide it away

The last time there was an "exorbitant" tax on the top income bracket Eisenhower was still president.


40% of your income is literally nothing to welfare cheat howlers like you, I am sure...



"...welfare cheat howlers"?
Tell me, how do you think the money your exchequer loses on fraudulent welfare claims compares to the money it loses on corporate tax fraud?

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RE: Paradise Papers...a primer. - 11/7/2017 1:02:32 PM   
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And this sort of thing is why arguments about trickle down theory are so absurd: the plutocracy's money doesn't trickle down, it's removed from the economy and most of the time from the country as well.


Removed because of exorbitant taxes (theft by government)

Then the howlers scream, why do you hide it away


God you`re such a fucking idiot. If you think there can be Capitalism without Taxation you really are delusional. Whoremods is right, the money is syphoned off by the greedy.

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RE: Paradise Papers...a primer. - 11/7/2017 2:48:53 PM   
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And this sort of thing is why arguments about trickle down theory are so absurd: the plutocracy's money doesn't trickle down, it's removed from the economy and most of the time from the country as well.


Removed because of exorbitant taxes (theft by government)

Then the howlers scream, why do you hide it away


God you`re such a fucking idiot. If you think there can be Capitalism without Taxation you really are delusional. Whoremods is right, the money is syphoned off by the greedy.


Right back at you howler

I didn't write that there can be capitalism without taxation, that only happened in your almost cartoonish fantasy world (curiously, such delusions as that are very typical among drooling leftist trash such as yourself)



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RE: Paradise Papers...a primer. - 11/7/2017 6:53:26 PM   
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And this sort of thing is why arguments about trickle down theory are so absurd: the plutocracy's money doesn't trickle down, it's removed from the economy and most of the time from the country as well.


Removed because of exorbitant taxes (theft by government)

Then the howlers scream, why do you hide it away


God you`re such a fucking idiot. If you think there can be Capitalism without Taxation you really are delusional. Whoremods is right, the money is syphoned off by the greedy.

He’s only concerned about Bezos.

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RE: Paradise Papers...a primer. - 11/8/2017 1:29:36 AM   
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And this sort of thing is why arguments about trickle down theory are so absurd: the plutocracy's money doesn't trickle down, it's removed from the economy and most of the time from the country as well.

$2.6 trillion in just untaxed corporate profits stashed offshore. Real patriots these people in the investor class, the corporate chieftains.

Now I understand Trump and the R's are offering a one time bring-it-all-home boys at 12% fed tax. If that isn't stirring the sweet, elitist swamp, then words don't mean anything. Ironic how that equals the proposed new, lowest 1040 tax on labor...the lowest bracket mind you.

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RE: Paradise Papers...a primer. - 11/9/2017 5:36:11 AM   
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According to the Boston Consulting Group, the amount of money involved is around $10 trillion.


These revelations should be read in conjunction with other reports analysing the offshore tax haven industry's size. One study has estimated the size of these funds to be at least $13 trillion and possibly as much as $20 trillion. Other reports estimate the size of funds hidden offshore at between $21-32 trillion, The Guardian reports:
"A global super-rich elite has exploited gaps in cross-border tax rules to hide an extraordinary £13 trillion ($21tn) of wealth offshore – as much as the American and Japanese GDPs put together – according to research commissioned by the campaign group Tax Justice Network.

James Henry, former chief economist at consultancy McKinsey and an expert on tax havens, has compiled the most detailed estimates yet of the size of the offshore economy in a new report, The Price of Offshore Revisited, released exclusively to the Observer.

He shows that at least £13tn – perhaps up to £20tn – has leaked out of scores of countries into secretive jurisdictions such as Switzerland and the Cayman Islands with the help of private banks, which vie to attract the assets of so-called high net-worth individuals. Their wealth is, as Henry puts it, “protected by a highly paid, industrious bevy of professional enablers in the private banking, legal, accounting and investment industries taking advantage of the increasingly borderless, frictionless global economy”. According to Henry’s research, the top 10 private banks, which include UBS and Credit Suisse in Switzerland, as well as the US investment bank Goldman Sachs, managed more than £4tn in 2010, a sharp rise from £1.5tn five years earlier.
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https://www.theguardian.com/business/2012/jul/21/global-elite-tax-offshore-economy

It all shows what a colossal con trick 'trickle down' economic policies (such as Trump's proposed tax changes in the US) are. The benefits of tax cuts to the wealthy do not 'trickle down' to less well off sectors of society, they are diverted into tax havens and outside the legitimate economies altogether.

It shows what a diversionary mockery the attacks on welfare 'bludgers' are - compared to the vast sums legally and illegally moved offshore to avoid tax.* The pitiful amounts gained by welfare fraud are measured in the thousands of dollars annually, the amount of tax evaded through the use of tax havens is measured in the trillions - not thousands, not tens of thousands, not hundreds of thousands, not millions, not hundreds of millions, not billions or even hundreds of billions but trillions.

The numbers speak for themselves.

One can only imagine the enormity of social good that could be achieved by harnessing these funds for social good - eliminate unemployment, improved healthcare, debt removal, lower taxes and so on.

It has also been estimated that the beneficaries of this gigantic tax evasion number less than 30,000 individuals and corporations globally. This level of inequality on top of the evasions (both legal and illegal) is simply obscene and indefensible by any civilised standard.

* This is not to defend welfare fraud in any way. It simply points out that compared to the losses generated by offshore tax havens, the amounts lost due to welfare fraud are so small they are trivial.



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RE: Paradise Papers...a primer. - 11/9/2017 6:13:25 AM   
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One can only imagine the enormity of social good that could be achieved by harnessing these funds for social good



When leftists talk about "harnessing" something, they don't mean the word in the traditional sense

They mean to kill that thing. Take the life from it. It this example Tweaker means removing individual wealth from economies, as her Dear Leader friends have done in Venezuela and North Korea etc

The Republicans want 12% according to others in this thread, in exchange for bringing the money home. That sounds very fair to me. The 12% that isn't confiscated can go to work here doing far more good than leftists will ever do by handing it out to fat-assed bureaucrats or drug addicts and prostitutes etc

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RE: Paradise Papers...a primer. - 11/9/2017 6:29:19 AM   
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But some have had a job from a prostitute.

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RE: Paradise Papers...a primer. - 11/9/2017 6:40:10 AM   
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if its in offshore accounts, its not
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removing individual wealth from economies,


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RE: Paradise Papers...a primer. - 11/9/2017 6:45:56 AM   
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if its in offshore accounts, its not
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removing individual wealth from economies,


Yes, but pointing out that the trickle down theory doesn't work because money that's been removed from the economy by plutocrats as a tax dodge doesn't circulate or "generate wealth" is apparently a communist delusion of some sort.

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