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I think it goes back to the Commander-In-Heat's "Bimbo eruptions".

Very good point but . . . . Fatty Arbuckle and Roman Polanski predated Bill.

To the best of my knowledge, neither of them was a politician?

I thought I made my point, but I'll try again:

Many, many years ago, I learned that "celebrities" (be they Hollyweird or Washington) enjoyed an "emotional pass" on a lot of things, as long as their "hearts were in the right place", as far as their political stance.

Obviously, politicians, being more closely associated with politics, enjoyed this "pass" more than others.

Slick Willy was a womanizing, harassing - possibly, rapist - scumbag, but he was "good for the country" so leave him alone.

I'm sure it goes back, before that, but there was a time that the press was loathe to throw around allegations without sufficient corroboration (Three sources and all of that "olde fashion" stuff).

Those days no longer exist.

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WHY DO WE READILY BELIEVE THE WOMEN (VICTIMS)?

Same reason we believe things if they’re in all caps?

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i believe you are describing dennis Hastert.

the notion of having to "put up or shut up and face some sort of penalty" is an interesting one. I think to some extent it already occurs with false rape charges, and every once in awhile you hear about it in other areas too, but I wonder to what extent defamation of character laws might already account for this?

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That would be up to the police to decide if there was evidence enough for charges... When others came forward there may very well be enough to take these accusations seriously. I'm sorry I just do not think it justice when the accused is tried in the media. If someone is going to make serious accusations then make a complaint.

Butch

Let's play a game..

Where is your wallet right now? how hard do you think it would be for me to take it from you? However i manage to do it... Maybe you were asleep. Whatever. I don't care.

If I managed to take your wallet, would it only be REAL to you *IF* you reported it. Only if you went to the cops was it really gone.

Whether you go to the cops or not, your wallet is still gone. That police report doesn't change anything. Reporting it or not reporting it doesn't change the fact that your wallet is GONE.

Ten years from now, you'll still talk about it. How to replace your driver's license or your Social Security card. ATM, credit cards, etc.

Did I only steal your wallet *IF* you went to the cops? The wallet is still gone, whether you walk into the police station or not.

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That would be up to the police to decide if there was evidence enough for charges... When others came forward there may very well be enough to take these accusations seriously. I'm sorry I just do not think it justice when the accused is tried in the media. If someone is going to make serious accusations then make a complaint.

Butch

Gotta love Roy Moore: "I never dated teens unless I asked their mommas first."

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That would be up to the police to decide if there was evidence enough for charges... When others came forward there may very well be enough to take these accusations seriously. I'm sorry I just do not think it justice when the accused is tried in the media. If someone is going to make serious accusations then make a complaint.

Butch

Gotta love Roy Moore: "I never dated teens unless I asked their mommas first."

What is really sickening ....he was applauded for those comments.

Butch

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That would be up to the police to decide if there was evidence enough for charges... When others came forward there may very well be enough to take these accusations seriously. I'm sorry I just do not think it justice when the accused is tried in the media. If someone is going to make serious accusations then make a complaint.

Butch

Gotta love Roy Moore: "I never dated teens unless I asked their mommas first."

What is really sickening ....he was applauded for those comments.

Butch

Wait. Their mother said ok, the young woman said ok because they actually went on the date. So, who else needs to give permission? Hint, it is not the Government.

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That would be up to the police to decide if there was evidence enough for charges... When others came forward there may very well be enough to take these accusations seriously. I'm sorry I just do not think it justice when the accused is tried in the media. If someone is going to make serious accusations then make a complaint.

Butch

Gotta love Roy Moore: "I never dated teens unless I asked their mommas first."

What is really sickening ....he was applauded for those comments.

Butch

Wait. Their mother said ok, the young woman said ok because they actually went on the date. So, who else needs to give permission? Hint, it is not the Government.

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That would be up to the police to decide if there was evidence enough for charges... When others came forward there may very well be enough to take these accusations seriously. I'm sorry I just do not think it justice when the accused is tried in the media. If someone is going to make serious accusations then make a complaint.

Butch

Gotta love Roy Moore: "I never dated teens unless I asked their mommas first."

What is really sickening ....he was applauded for those comments.

Butch

Wait. Their mother said ok, the young woman said ok because they actually went on the date. So, who else needs to give permission? Hint, it is not the Government.

No.
If the girl is 14 years old, any sexual contact with her is statutory rape, no matter who supposedly gave their "permission" for it to happen, including her mother.

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That would be up to the police to decide if there was evidence enough for charges... When others came forward there may very well be enough to take these accusations seriously. I'm sorry I just do not think it justice when the accused is tried in the media. If someone is going to make serious accusations then make a complaint.

Butch

Gotta love Roy Moore: "I never dated teens unless I asked their mommas first."

What is really sickening ....he was applauded for those comments.

Butch

Wait. Their mother said ok, the young woman said ok because they actually went on the date. So, who else needs to give permission? Hint, it is not the Government.

That has got to be one of the crerpiest things Ive ever heard. No, wait...Dateline did a series of stories featuring Moore like men who talked exactly like this. All busted for coming to a place to score with what they thought was a teen. Spinning excuses while getting arrested for being scumbags. Just when Artie couldnt get skeevier, he breaks out the excavator and digs the pit even deeper

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...the real point is there is strength in numbers even 10 years after the fact. Perhaps only so especially 10 years after the fact. So, if one is a recent victim, don't brush this off because now we know there are likely more past victims and they can add their voice to yours since it also appears women and men are no longer hiding this even if it occurred sometime in the past.

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That would be up to the police to decide if there was evidence enough for charges... When others came forward there may very well be enough to take these accusations seriously. I'm sorry I just do not think it justice when the accused is tried in the media. If someone is going to make serious accusations then make a complaint.

Butch

Gotta love Roy Moore: "I never dated teens unless I asked their mommas first."

What is really sickening ....he was applauded for those comments.

Butch

Wait. Their mother said ok, the young woman said ok because they actually went on the date. So, who else needs to give permission? Hint, it is not the Government.

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And you too, right away you jump into a rape fantasy and accuse me of being the creep. Again, the question is when taking the girl out on a date and he has the mother's permission and the girl wants to go out, who else must give permission?

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And you too, right away you jump into a rape fantasy and accuse me of being the creep. Again, the question is when taking the girl out on a date and he has the mother's permission and the girl wants to go out, who else must give permission?

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...the real point is there is strength in numbers even 10 years after the fact. Perhaps only so especially 10 years after the fact. So, if one is a recent victim, don't brush this off because now we know there are likely more past victims and they can add their voice to yours since it also appears women and men are no longer hiding this even if it occurred sometime in the past.

While I don't agree with your subsequent posts, I do somewhat agree with this one. Strength in numbers is a thing but we really don't get there until we have those ten others, which makes it a heck of a lot easier for the tenth person to be believed than it probably was on the first. It's one of the problems I have with the thread title because I don't agree with this 'readily believing' stuff because I've seen way too many people get their @ss handed to them over people telling them they were lying, it couldn't possibly be, and some other rather hurtful stuff. It's very hard on the person coming forward because while they have this strong hope and desire of wanting to be believed at such a crucial time and it coincides with not being believed.

There have been some mentions of if a person doesn't go to authorities, we shouldn't be trying cases on social media. However, that's also how these victims are finding each other and the additional people end up coming forward. The victim from ten years ago who didn't file won't know the new victim did file, unless for some reason the perpetrator is newsworthy.

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I used the term "readily believing" to reflect public reaction to a news event. Happy to change it if you an supply a more concise and appropriate term.