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RE: WHY DO WE READILY BELIEVE THE WOMEN (VICTIMS)? - 11/12/2017 10:12:06 AM   
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you know, I half knew some %*#&% leftist fool, incapable of making a distinction between my critiquing an argument and the morality of the actual behavior being discussed.

my approval or disapproval of the behavior is completely beside the point.


You would be wise to add the caveat. Otherwise you leave yourself wide open. That is just the nature of debate on an unmonitored board where name-calling is taken as debate. Furthermore, Leftists are not the only fools who use such tactics.


its absurd to have to.

there is no leaving myself "wide open" when the attacks have nothing to do with what ive actually said, which deals with the matter of the law, and have everything to do with the attackers moral judgment of the deed, of which I have said or implied NOTHING and which is again, beside the point legally.

its an intellectually dishonest and reprehensible tactic and its mind boggling to me I even have to point those things out.

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RE: WHY DO WE READILY BELIEVE THE WOMEN (VICTIMS)? - 11/12/2017 10:16:40 AM   
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in any event, I think cases are being mingled here. im not totally conversant on the story but moore had interactions/dates/relationships with other teenagers, presumably as a teenager/young man himself, or maybe even as an adult.


the point being, his phrase "I never dated a teenager without permission from her mother" needs to be understood in that context. how old was he in reference to that phrase, and what was the legality of each case.

YEE....As a 32 yr old man
Get conversant, and dont expect people to accept your ignorance as a legitimate post.


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RE: WHY DO WE READILY BELIEVE THE WOMEN (VICTIMS)? - 11/12/2017 10:19:08 AM   
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you know, I half knew some %*#&% leftist fool, incapable of making a distinction between my critiquing an argument and the morality of the actual behavior being discussed.

my approval or disapproval of the behavior is completely beside the point.


You would be wise to add the caveat. Otherwise you leave yourself wide open. That is just the nature of debate on an unmonitored board where name-calling is taken as debate. Furthermore, Leftists are not the only fools who use such tactics.


its absurd to have to.

there is no leaving myself "wide open" when the attacks have nothing to do with what ive actually said, which deals with the matter of the law, and have everything to do with the attackers moral judgment of the deed, of which I have said or implied NOTHING and which is again, beside the point legally.

its an intellectually dishonest and reprehensible tactic and its mind boggling to me I even have to point those things out.


People assumed you had all the facts, and their judgments are based on that assumption.
Knowing you much better than they do, I made no such assumption.
You don't give a shit about facts.

You're going to tell yourself it's liberal hysteria because you don't want to admit the truth to yourself, but they made an honest mistake.
Next time, they should be less charitable.

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RE: WHY DO WE READILY BELIEVE THE WOMEN (VICTIMS)? - 11/12/2017 10:35:57 AM   
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So grooming an underaged teenager is acceptable so long the kid's mother is cool with it?
Can you imagine the shitfit you and your bloods would be throwing if it was an ethnic jihadist type, rather than a republican nominee for a senate seat, using that excuse?


you know, I half knew some %*#&% leftist fool, incapable of making a distinction between my critiquing an argument and the morality of the actual behavior being discussed.

my approval or disapproval of the behavior is completely beside the point.

how many times have you used the phrase "straw man" in the past handful of months?

ironically, I considered putting that caveat in my post, but then I thought, no, surely no one is that idiotic to not be able to tell the difference between the two.




well its in response to the ignorant shit fuckwit rightist imbeciles are spewing, innit? Do you expect that stupid shit gabbled by rightists should not be pointed out for the dumbass shit it is? And its hardly beside the point. Look, if you are accused of being a homosexual male, and you are trying to refute it, for whatever your reason, you don't show up to the press conference in footies. And then show them off.

never went out with a teenage girl he didn't ask their momma? there is a guy you want makin law in this here country, billybobjimmyboy. The fuckin guy is more of a simpleton than Sessions.

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RE: WHY DO WE READILY BELIEVE THE WOMEN (VICTIMS)? - 11/12/2017 10:47:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: bounty44

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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you know, I half knew some %*#&% leftist fool, incapable of making a distinction between my critiquing an argument and the morality of the actual behavior being discussed.

my approval or disapproval of the behavior is completely beside the point.


You would be wise to add the caveat. Otherwise you leave yourself wide open. That is just the nature of debate on an unmonitored board where name-calling is taken as debate. Furthermore, Leftists are not the only fools who use such tactics.


its absurd to have to.

there is no leaving myself "wide open" when the attacks have nothing to do with what ive actually said, which deals with the matter of the law, and have everything to do with the attackers moral judgment of the deed, of which I have said or implied NOTHING and which is again, beside the point legally.

its an intellectually dishonest and reprehensible tactic and its mind boggling to me I even have to point those things out.


Leftists are constantly forced to rely almost exclusively on such fallacies as that

That’s usually all they ever have

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RE: WHY DO WE READILY BELIEVE THE WOMEN (VICTIMS)? - 11/12/2017 11:04:23 AM   
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RE: WHY DO WE READILY BELIEVE THE WOMEN (VICTIMS)? - 11/12/2017 11:06:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		You mean its all you and Bounty have to rely on, Bosco. You two are like ostriches who have stuck your heads into the "left vs right" hole and y'all pretend nothing but what you two see in that hole as reality. Meanwhile to everyone else, its just two dudes with their heads in a hole and their asses waving high in the air.



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RE: WHY DO WE READILY BELIEVE THE WOMEN (VICTIMS)? - 11/12/2017 11:15:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		TownHalls Guy Benson did quite a decent piece on Moore's accusers.
Maybe thats why Bounty hasn't posted it already.
OH NO Comrades....TownHall

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2017/11/10/national-review-to-moore-step-aside-n2407782

more than his tweets at the link
here's a look at his tweets, for the gist.


Guy BensonOnly a handful of people know for certain if allegations vs. Moore are true. The rest of us need to think critically & decide whether the allegations are *credible.* I understand suspicions about timing & concern that mere accusations can be low bar for political destruction...
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But WaPo story quotes *named* accusers (the main one is a Trump voter), among dozens of sources. The reporters are transparent in how they conducted their investigation. The primary accuser plausibly explains her timing. Four women who don't know each other, pattern of conduct...
Guy Benson ✔@guypbenson
...to me, that adds up to credibility. But what's the standard of proof necessary to force Moore out? I can see some using "presumption of innocence" standard as fig leaf, but some AL R's have said on-record they'd support him even if it's all true! That's the grossest reaction.

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RE: WHY DO WE READILY BELIEVE THE WOMEN (VICTIMS)? - 11/12/2017 11:28:20 AM   
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TownHalls Guy Benson did quite a decent piece on Moore's accusers.
Maybe thats why Bounty hasn't posted it already.
OH NO Comrades....TownHall




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RE: WHY DO WE READILY BELIEVE THE WOMEN (VICTIMS)? - 11/12/2017 11:37:07 AM   
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You mean its all you and Bounty have to rely on, Bosco. You two are like ostriches who have stuck your heads into the "left vs right" hole and y'all pretend nothing but what you two see in that hole as reality. Meanwhile to everyone else, its just two dudes with their heads in a hole and their asses waving high in the air.



your post here says, effectively, nothing and what bosco just wrote is 100% accurate as concerns the last handful of posts you all made.

when you can learn to follow an actual argument and not get into an emotional tizzy and manufactured outrage over a position YOU HAVE CREATED for me, and that I have not either explicitly stated nor even implied, not to mention baseless personal attacks, then I might take criticisms from you.

and lucy---I posted TWO townhall articles a few days ago about the issue in actual support of the veracity of the allegations. so, really, fuck off.

that said, none of you have any clue where I stand on the matter, which again, for what, the third or 4th time now, doesn't have anything to do with the position lte was arguing in regards to the law and your intellectually unsupportable response to him.

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RE: WHY DO WE READILY BELIEVE THE WOMEN (VICTIMS)? - 11/12/2017 11:46:38 AM   
Danemora


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Status: offline 		Everything boils down to "Right side good" and "Left side bad" with you two, Bounty. No discussion. No debate. If it comes from a Right leaner, you two plant lips all over ass. But if you two already dismissed someone as a Left leaner, you two stick fingers in ears and go "lalalala, we cant hear you"

So perhaps you two arent exactly the best judges of proper debate and discussion practices....because you two arent very good at it. At all. But please, continue to illustrate the point by getting all catty and bitchy about it.

All it takes is calling you two on your BS or hypocrisy...and you two swing like little marionettes on strings. Its so predictable that its honestly becoming heartbreaking to watch.

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RE: WHY DO WE READILY BELIEVE THE WOMEN (VICTIMS)? - 11/12/2017 11:47:53 AM   
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TownHalls Guy Benson did quite a decent piece on Moore's accusers.
Maybe thats why Bounty hasn't posted it already.
OH NO Comrades....TownHall





Yeah, that's pretty dang funny right there.

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RE: WHY DO WE READILY BELIEVE THE WOMEN (VICTIMS)? - 11/12/2017 11:53:43 AM   
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TownHalls Guy Benson did quite a decent piece on Moore's accusers.
Maybe thats why Bounty hasn't posted it already.
OH NO Comrades....TownHall





Yeah, that's pretty dang funny right there.

If it wasn't thoroughly established that hypocrisy is an exclusively leftist thing, you'd call that a double standard, wouldn't you?

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RE: WHY DO WE READILY BELIEVE THE WOMEN (VICTIMS)? - 11/12/2017 12:00:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		YOU said you were not conversant in the story not two pages ago, and your posts since have made it obvious, that you do NOT know the details.

You posted correctly, but not in this thread, and you claimed mnottertroll as the link to townhall, that is an automatic ignore and why it was missed.


Your post, was
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i think "timing" is one of the things benson mentioned that gave him pause, but in fairness, two things come to mind---one is this is the first step for moore on a truly national stage, and the other is, the trump/republican hatred could just unseal old wounds.

benson talked about how one of the girls didn't have a problem with what was going on when she was in the midst of it, but later came to see it as bad/wrong.

mnottertrolllovestownhall.com

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Yes, you are very eager to place blame on any liberal without evidence, proof or veracity.
and ignore and obfuscate when its a republican.
You are obfuscating where exactly you stand, you arent offering anything outisde opinion and ignorant of the source material.
So your hurted widdle feelings are laughable.



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RE: WHY DO WE READILY BELIEVE THE WOMEN (VICTIMS)? - 11/12/2017 12:07:33 PM   
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You mean its all you and Bounty have to rely on, Bosco. You two are like ostriches who have stuck your heads into the "left vs right" hole and y'all pretend nothing but what you two see in that hole as reality. Meanwhile to everyone else, its just two dudes with their heads in a hole and their asses waving high in the air.



your post here says, effectively, nothing and what bosco just wrote is 100% accurate as concerns the last handful of posts you all made.

when you can learn to follow an actual argument and not get into an emotional tizzy and manufactured outrage over a position YOU HAVE CREATED for me, and that I have not either explicitly stated nor even implied, not to mention baseless personal attacks, then I might take criticisms from you.

and lucy---I posted TWO townhall articles a few days ago about the issue in actual support of the veracity of the allegations. so, really, fuck off.

that said, none of you have any clue where I stand on the matter, which again, for what, the third or 4th time now, doesn't have anything to do with the position lte was arguing in regards to the law and your intellectually unsupportable response to him.



You openly admitted you didn't know the story... so there's that.
You wouldn't take criticisms even if we were glaringly obviously right... so there's also that.

So you think it's likely that this 30 year old guy was only looking to make platonic friends with high school age girls (exclusively girls, no boys)??
And we know that he didn't meet these girls through work... he intentionally sought them out, apparently by going to HS football games.

It doesn't matter if the parents gave permission-- his dating high school girls (and buying them alcohol) lends a lot of credibility to the claim that he initiated sex with a 14 year old.
Even if he didn't initiate sex with the 14 year old (though it seems likely that he did), the crux of the story here is that Moore is sketchy as fuck.

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RE: WHY DO WE READILY BELIEVE THE WOMEN (VICTIMS)? - 11/12/2017 12:15:19 PM   
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nothing to do with the topic as usual little squeaker?


Love how howlers seriously believe that I am the topic, as they preach to everyone else about "off topic" discussion

This place is ENDLESSLY entertaining

Especially love the leftist clowns juggling their ridiculous debate fallacies

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RE: WHY DO WE READILY BELIEVE THE WOMEN (VICTIMS)? - 11/12/2017 12:16:26 PM   
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RE: WHY DO WE READILY BELIEVE THE WOMEN (VICTIMS)? - 11/12/2017 12:18:57 PM   
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does anyone remember what it was like in 79???



I do. I was 15, that year, but based upon past performance, I could almost guarantee you wouldn't like my vision of what that year was like.




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RE: WHY DO WE READILY BELIEVE THE WOMEN (VICTIMS)? - 11/12/2017 12:19:29 PM   
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nothing to do with the topic as usual little squeaker?


Love how howlers seriously believe that I am the topic, as they preach to everyone else about "off topic" discussion

This place is ENDLESSLY entertaining

Especially love the leftist clowns juggling their ridiculous debate fallacies


Pot meet Clown Kettle


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RE: WHY DO WE READILY BELIEVE THE WOMEN (VICTIMS)? - 11/12/2017 12:21:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Danemora


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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nothing to do with the topic as usual little squeaker?


Love how howlers seriously believe that I am the topic, as they preach to everyone else about "off topic" discussion

This place is ENDLESSLY entertaining

Especially love the leftist clowns juggling their ridiculous debate fallacies


Pot meet Clown Kettle



Go ahead and point out the last time I nagged like a dried up ugly old hag about off topic discussion...

I was pointing to her hypocrisy, and laughing

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