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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

Preaching to the choir here. I teach in a high school. Some of the things I could tell you from this school year alone...

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ORIGINAL: Marini
....Taking deep breath.....
This is a topic near and dear to me, for personal reasons.
At least 45 Teachers have resigned during the last 3 months, between July-October, due to the out of control behavior from the students, and virtually little to NO support from administration.
These teachers are begging for support.
Daily Mail- At least 45 teachers QUIT, over student violence and lack of support!
From the article in the DM: I have been hit, kicked and restrained from behind - by FIRST-GRADERS': At least 45 Pennsylvania teachers resign in just three months due to student violence and those that remain are 'begging' for help from school board.
Hit, kicked and restrained from behind-by a first grader!
I was livid after reading this article, and I could probably post hundreds of similar articles.
DISGUSTING--again I am livid.
Most teachers have spent a lot of money to get a degree and become certified {MOST teachers have at least a master's degree}.
What other profession, do people spend thousands and thousands of dollars, and years of studying, to be treated like this, with almost NO recourse?
This makes me so damn angry, and again there are THOUSANDS of similar stories.
I read these types of stories a lot {again because this hits close to home for me}.
Most of these teachers had no other recourse, but to quit????
WTF?
So many wonder, what is wrong with society.
Take a long hard look at what is going on in MANY school systems, and you will stop asking so many questions.
Where is the recourse or justice for these teachers?
I would be over the moon with joy, if these teachers could at least sue the school system.

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A. Young People

1. For 15 years before 1963 pregnancies in girls ages 15 through 19 years had been no more than 15 per thousand After 1963 pregnancies increased 187% in the next 15 years.

2. For younger girls, ages 10 to 14 years, pregnancies since 1963 are up 553%.

3. Before 1963 sexually transmitted diseases among students were 400 per 100,000. Since 1963, they were up 226% in the next 12 years.

B. The Family

1. Before 1963 divorce rates had been declining for 15 years. After 1963 divorces increased 300% each year for the next 15 years.

2. Since 1963 unmarried people living together is up 353%

3. Since 1963 single parent families are up 140%.

4. Since 1963 single parent families with children are up 160%.

C. Education

1. The educational standard of measure has been the SAT scores. SAT scores had been steady for many years before 1963. From 1963 they rapidly declined for 18 consecutive years, even though the same test has been used since 1941.

2. In 1974-75 the rate of decline of the SAT scores decreased, even though they continued to decline. That was when there was an explosion of private religious schools. There were only 1000 Christian schools in 1965. Between 1974 to 1984 they increased to 32,000.

a. That could have an impact if the private schools had higher SAT scores. In checking with the SAT Board it was found that indeed the SAT scores for private schools were nearly 100 points higher than public schools.

b. In fact the scores were at the point where the public schools had been before their decline started in 1963 when prayer and Bible reading/ instruction was removed from the schools.

c. The scores in the public schools were still declining.

3. Of the nation's top academic scholars, three times as many come from private religious schools, which operate on one-third the funds as do the public schools.

D. The Nation

1. Since 1963 violent crime has increased 544%.

2. The nation has been deprived of an estimated 30 million citizens through legal abortions just since 1973.

3. Illegal drugs have become an enormous & uncontrollable problem.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

this wont be very popular, but a bunch of years ago I read a book by david barton, called the myth of separation. it was about the history of god in the public square with a heavy emphasis on government.

I distinctly remember a number of charts he produced that showed what went on in America after the government officially "removed god from the schools" in 1962.

heres some of that material in written form.

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A. Young People

1. For 15 years before 1963 pregnancies in girls ages 15 through 19 years had been no more than 15 per thousand After 1963 pregnancies increased 187% in the next 15 years.

2. For younger girls, ages 10 to 14 years, pregnancies since 1963 are up 553%.

3. Before 1963 sexually transmitted diseases among students were 400 per 100,000. Since 1963, they were up 226% in the next 12 years.

B. The Family

1. Before 1963 divorce rates had been declining for 15 years. After 1963 divorces increased 300% each year for the next 15 years.

2. Since 1963 unmarried people living together is up 353%

3. Since 1963 single parent families are up 140%.

4. Since 1963 single parent families with children are up 160%.

C. Education

1. The educational standard of measure has been the SAT scores. SAT scores had been steady for many years before 1963. From 1963 they rapidly declined for 18 consecutive years, even though the same test has been used since 1941.

2. In 1974-75 the rate of decline of the SAT scores decreased, even though they continued to decline. That was when there was an explosion of private religious schools. There were only 1000 Christian schools in 1965. Between 1974 to 1984 they increased to 32,000.

a. That could have an impact if the private schools had higher SAT scores. In checking with the SAT Board it was found that indeed the SAT scores for private schools were nearly 100 points higher than public schools.

b. In fact the scores were at the point where the public schools had been before their decline started in 1963 when prayer and Bible reading/ instruction was removed from the schools.

c. The scores in the public schools were still declining.

3. Of the nation's top academic scholars, three times as many come from private religious schools, which operate on one-third the funds as do the public schools.

D. The Nation

1. Since 1963 violent crime has increased 544%.

2. The nation has been deprived of an estimated 30 million citizens through legal abortions just since 1973.

3. Illegal drugs have become an enormous & uncontrollable problem.

http://inplainsite.org/what_happened_when_the_praying.html

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

That's why Constantine established Christianity as the legal religion. It provided an authoritarian hierarchial structure of behavior and obedience at both the micro and macro levels of society. Easier to rule.

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

That's why Constantine established Christianity as the legal religion. It provided an authoritarian hierarchial structure of behavior and obedience at both the micro and macro levels of society. Easier to rule.

Yep, easier to rule everybody, not just kids. I do really imagine though, that Roman youth got some quick kicks if they don't learn and pass classes, let alone...fuck with the teacher.

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

That's why Constantine established Christianity as the legal religion. It provided an authoritarian hierarchial structure of behavior and obedience at both the micro and macro levels of society. Easier to rule.

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

In my opinion, Marini, The biggest problem is teachers are not allowed to discipline the students. If you say anything to them you're in trouble. Touch them, you are fired or maybe arrested. The inmates are running the joint and they know it.

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ORIGINAL: StrongSpirit

Aside from a few rare circumstances, such as this one, violence in schools has DROPPED, along with all other forms of violence over the past 40 years. (Some partial charts for past 20 years: https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=49)

Basically, we do a better job today in 2017 than we did when I was growing up. The main difference is you didn't use to hear about the violence, now you do. Yes there are exceptions. The thing is you didn't grow up in the bad schools (or you most likely would not be online).

But I do agree we can do better. One of the main things I think we need to do is to offer optional Public Boarding Schools for children in cases where the problem is clearly the parents. When one or more parent is a convicted felon, drug user, or homeless, we should offer the children housing along with schooling, away from their parents 9 months a year. Let the parents maintain custody, and even visit the children on the weekend and live with them during the summer.

But during the school week those kids need to be educated without the risks of gangs, drugs, etc.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
Try again.

Emperor Constantine decriminalized Christianity, but did not make it the dominant religion of the Roman empire.

Try again, Constantine initiated the Council of Nicea where he, along with Christian leaders of the day, decided what Christianity would and wouldn't be and by "decriminalizing" (as you say), he created the climate that would let Christianity grow by leaps and bounds, exponentially, almost monthly. Getting baptized was a huge boon to the movement, also.

He did it for political reasons, though as he saw his empire being torn apart by the two convergent factions. He just felt Christianity was the safest appeasement.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
As far as the United States education system, there is not one, but fifty.

Each states make their own rules and set standards per guidelines from the national level.

So ... if the "guidelines" come from the national level, doesn't that make only ONE education system, nation-wide? True, the federal government gives a head fake to autonomy for the states, but any school system that doesn't acquiesce to the "guidelines", loses out on federal funding.

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ORIGINAL: StrongSpirit

Aside from a few rare circumstances, such as this one, violence in schools has DROPPED, along with all other forms of violence over the past 40 years. (Some partial charts for past 20 years: https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=49)

Basically, we do a better job today in 2017 than we did when I was growing up. The main difference is you didn't use to hear about the violence, now you do. Yes there are exceptions. The thing is you didn't grow up in the bad schools (or you most likely would not be online).

But I do agree we can do better. One of the main things I think we need to do is to offer optional Public Boarding Schools for children in cases where the problem is clearly the parents. When one or more parent is a convicted felon, drug user, or homeless, we should offer the children housing along with schooling, away from their parents 9 months a year. Let the parents maintain custody, and even visit the children on the weekend and live with them during the summer.

But during the school week those kids need to be educated without the risks of gangs, drugs, etc.

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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

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ORIGINAL: StrongSpirit

Aside from a few rare circumstances, such as this one, violence in schools has DROPPED, along with all other forms of violence over the past 40 years. (Some partial charts for past 20 years: https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=49)

Basically, we do a better job today in 2017 than we did when I was growing up. The main difference is you didn't use to hear about the violence, now you do. Yes there are exceptions. The thing is you didn't grow up in the bad schools (or you most likely would not be online).

But I do agree we can do better. One of the main things I think we need to do is to offer optional Public Boarding Schools for children in cases where the problem is clearly the parents. When one or more parent is a convicted felon, drug user, or homeless, we should offer the children housing along with schooling, away from their parents 9 months a year. Let the parents maintain custody, and even visit the children on the weekend and live with them during the summer.

But during the school week those kids need to be educated without the risks of gangs, drugs, etc.

There is not less violence. Reporting of incidences is different, and schools are discouraged from having too many negative reports, so incidents are downplayed or not reported accurately.

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ORIGINAL: Marini
At least 45 Teachers have resigned during the last 3 months, between July-October, due to the out of control behavior from the students, and virtually little to NO support from administration.

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

That's why Constantine established Christianity as the legal religion. It provided an authoritarian hierarchial structure of behavior and obedience at both the micro and macro levels of society. Easier to rule.

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William Jeynes, a professor at California State College in Long Beach and a senior fellow at the Witherspoon Institute in Princeton, N.J., spoke at the Heritage Foundation in Washington, D.C. on Aug. 13, 2014 about putting the Bible and prayer back into U.S. public schools.

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“One can argue, and some have, that the decision by the Supreme Court – in a series of three decisions back in 1962 and 1963 – to remove Bible and prayer from our public schools, may be the most spiritually significant event in our nation’s history over the course of the last 55 years,” Jeynes said.

On June 25, 1962, the United States Supreme Court decided in Engel v. Vitale that a prayer approved by the New York Board of Regents for use in schools violated the First Amendment because it represented establishment of religion. In 1963, in Abington School District v. Schempp, the court decided against Bible readings in public schools along the same lines.

Since 1963, Jeynes said there have been five negative developments in the nation’s public schools:

• Academic achievement has plummeted, including SAT scores.

• Increased rate of out-of-wedlock births

• Increase in illegal drug use

• Increase in juvenile crime

• Deterioration of school behavior

“So we need to realize that these actions do have consequences,” said Jeynes, professor at California State College in Long Beach and senior fellow at the Witherspoon Institute in Princeton, N.J., “When we remove that moral fiber -- that moral emphasis – this is what can result.”

Other facts included a comparison between the top five complaints of teachers from 1940-1962 -- talking, chewing gum, making noise, running in the halls and getting out of turn in line – to rape, robbery, assault, burglary and arson from 1963 to present.

“Now the question is, given that there is a movement to put the Bible as literature back in the public schools and a moment of silence and so forth, can we recapture the moral fiber – the foundation that used to exist among many of our youth?” Jeynes asked rhetorically.

To that end, Jeynes said, there is a movement across the country to reinstate the Bible as literature in the public schools, with 440 school districts in 43 states currently teaching this type of course.

Ten states have passed a law or resolution to bring the Bible as literature in the public schools statewide.

The movement, however, is secular in nature, with the Bible being taught as literature rather than the word of God. And rather than prayer, a “moment of silence” is established that “can be used as the students choose,” Jeynes said.

When CNSNews.com asked about the secular nature of this approach, Jeynes said data from nationwide surveys show that both students of faith and those with no faith both respond positively to the Bible as literature curriculum – the former said they learned more about the Bible in class than in church and the latter said they have an increased interest in the Christian religions.

“The effects are very, very positive,” Jeynes said.

Jeynes said the data he used in his presentation comes from the federal government (Departments of Education, Justice, Health and Human Services and the U.S. Census Bureau), and research by the advocacy groups Bibleasliterature.org, the Bible Literacy Project, the National Council on Bible Curriculum in Public Schools, and California educator and researcher Nader Twal.