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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 7/31/2006 12:16:25 AM

nefertari

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....last I heard the liberals complain was about a national ID card (which in my opinion would do much good) and bi-partisan issues as well as bills in Congress regarding taxes and such, nothing too different.

That's the last you heard? Have you been out of the country? But let's just go with that and think about it a moment. Let's do that...but why stop at a National ID Card (I mean having even more bureaucracy involved can only be a good thing, right?). Let's turn over our phone records, financial records, library records, internet search records, medical records, round up Muslim Americans and imprison them indefinitely with no charges or right to coucil and send moles into peaceful protest groups to rile things up. Oh wait. We're already doing that. *smacks forehead* Well then hell, why don't we just have a live feed from our homes directly to the NSA?

In the words of one of our founding fathers, Benjamin Franklin, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty or safety."

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 7/31/2006 12:36:29 AM

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Yes I have been out of the country....its the last meaningful complaint I heard from liberals....many liberals even applaud the whole fiasco in Iraq or see it as something necessary.

I myself despise bureacracy, but I think a national ID card is very much needed....many countries have it, and democratic countries at that. The problem is that in the US they want to add all that other useless info on it, such as phone records, where you travel to, etc...I think in the US they need a simple National ID card that has your picture, maybe your thumb print, your signature, where you were born, and thats it. Take this as an example. As of right now, without a "national" ID card, I go to a bar in Worcester, Massachusetts and I get my driver's liscence rejected and they wont let me in because they fear that my RI driver's liscence could be fake as they are unfamiliar with it. Hence a national ID card will take care of those problems and provincial mindset, and accept it as valid, anywhere in the US.

I dont know why you threw that in about Muslims I have nothing against them nor wish to see them ilegally imprisoned in Guantanamo nor to see people tortured by the CIA or NSA, nor do I want the Bush government to tap my phone...so lets keep things in conext here.
I am a conservative, but a very different conservative than the ones you have encountered in the past, of this I can assure you.

in any case, my point is that the liberals fight over things which are trivial or unimportant, not for the core issues they should be fighting, that is my personal opinion.

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 7/31/2006 12:45:49 AM

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My point was that all of these are being done in the name of "keeping us safe" so it is certainly in context. Liberals are fighting for our essential liberties that the conservatives see fit to take away, among others. I certainly do not consider that trivial. I consider it patriotic.

As for trivial issues, it's the conservatives who want to pass a Constitutional Amendment banning gay marriage and based much of the 2004 campaign on it. Is that really a core issue? Seriously?

And please don't assume you know who I've encountered.

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 7/31/2006 12:59:07 AM

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My point was that all of these are being done in the name of "keeping us safe" so it is certainly in context. Liberals are fighting for our essential liberties that the conservatives see fit to take away, among others. I certainly do not consider that trivial. I consider it patriotic.

As for trivial issues, it's the conservatives who want to pass a Constitutional Amendment banning gay marriage and based much of the 2004 campaign on it. Is that really a core issue? Seriously?

And please don't assume you know who I've encountered.

right I agree with you...those things are being done to "protect you" from an "evil terrorist threat", which is just bull and always has been. We agree on that. I dont see the democratic liberals fighting for freedoms, in fact like I stated earlier, I remember the democrats supported Bush when the government wanted to invade Iraq....the liberals are focused on the whole gay marriage issue, which to me is not an important core issue....
ok for me core issues are: unemployment, better job opportunities, helping the elderly have decent pensions, immigration reform (making it easier and less bureaucratic and less oppressive like the mistake of building a wall by the Mexican border), and poverty. I see people sleeping on benches in one of the richest countries in the world....that doesn't bother you? In any case I have seen nothing meaningful come out of either republican nor democratic administrations over these issues...the rpublicans want the market to take care of all these ills and some wish wash tax savings, and the democrats just throw more money at the problems....this is again my personal assumption.
I think you are mistaking me for the usual American conservative, which I am not...I was born in Chile and I am currently living in the US, I write about my perceptions and appreciations, I have also lived in many other countries, mostly in Europe.

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 7/31/2006 1:33:04 AM

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Certainly the Democrats in Congress supported the war against Iraq with the misinformation being fed to them and the rest of the country and during a time where our nation was willing to give our President free reign, no matter how ill-advised, out the fear Bush and his cronies perpetuated. However, not all Democrats voted for the war (Russ Feingold D-Wis being one of them and one of my favorites) and the ones that did should be held accountable come election time. It was their responsibility to know what they were voting for.

I think it is absolutely obscene that in our country we have people sleeping on benches. I also think it is obscene that so many have to decide between healthcare and household expenses, especially with our current administration's stand on the Right to Life issue. Does that right stop at birth? Or is it just that the quality of life isn't important?

And given our shocking and record breaking debt, I would have to say it's the republicans throwing more money at the problems. If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Only, they keep trying the same thing and hoping for different results. I also vehemently disagree that Liberals are applauding the fiasco in Iraq. This is what we never wanted to see happen. That we would applaud the deaths of thousands of our troops and innocent civilians is insulting and disgusting.

You keep pointing out that you are a "different" or not the "usual" American conservative. I'm not sure what you're trying to get across, but I haven't mistaken you for anything for I haven't grouped you into any category. I'm responding to what was posted.

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 7/31/2006 6:59:06 AM

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I'm not American but I quite like the way John Kerry came across on TV here, he seemed to be a decent kind of bloke.

You are joking right? The guy's entire campaign was "I won four medals". Were you aware that he had a picture of the medals on his election website and he was ordered to take them down pending an inquiry? Why? He posted a higher order than he actually received and one of them may not have been genuine at all. Not to mention one medal was "won" for getting a piece of rubble stuck in his leg. The smear campaign against him was rather unfair, I admit, but it was not like he was an angel himself. Do you know what it means to take the high road? Kerry grovelled in the mud. He sat and flung shit at Bush the whole campaign when he should have focused on himself and his strengths. He was a complete tool and that is why he lost. The public had him pegged and voted against him. They would rather deal with four more years of Bush and fighting to clean up the mess in Iraq than deal with him.

The man had NO campaign strategy except to repeat that he was a war hero (maybe he was, maybe he was not, but so what? What does that have to do with running a country exactly?)

Soooo.. The Dems blew it. They picked the wrong man to spearhead their campaign. Done deal.

I also can not stand those people that whine about the 2000 elections. Do you honestly think that one man and a team of lawyers is going to pull the wool over hundreds of election workers, Al Gore's team of lawyers, the USSC and the American public, all without anybody noticing anything? Come on. You are deluding yourself. Get over it and get with the program. We are in 2006. 2008 will come soon enough. Stop using pine cones for your voting system and there will not be a problem next time. lol.

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 7/31/2006 7:37:19 AM

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In all honesty, I am just thankful that Bush was in office on 9/11 and not Gore, and I am very grateful that he was re elected and we don't have scary kerry in office today!!

Say what you want to say about Bush, I could care less....he's man enough to get the job done. Liberals have always whined, and will always whine, that's what they do best....as long as we have a strong leader in office, I could honestly care less about what all you liberals cry about.

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 7/31/2006 7:44:09 AM

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"He sat and flung shit at Bush the whole campaign when he should have focused on himself and his strengths"

What strengths ?

No candidate endorsed by either major party has any inner strength or anything I would call a quality that qualifies them to run the fourth most powerful country in the world.

I have exercised my right not to vote and shall continue to do so until Ron Paul or James Trafficant gets on the ballot. Hell, I'd vote for David Duke even if I were Black. Really, although Duke is a racist, as President what could he do to me ? Even if I was as low as whale shit in his eyes Duke would treat me better than Bush. Bush sends Men out to die for his buddies in the oil business and Israel, and then wants to cut their pay, benefits and pensions. Talk about the lesser of two evils, at least Duke has some understanding of the deep rooted problems in the world. Bush thinks everything is fine, and indeed it is fine, for him and his cronies.

BTW, Duke is a racist ? I've heard a few things about the Bush family that would blow your mind. Years ago a reporter was in their company and was astounded at what he heard, foul language, racial slurs and all that. How about Hillary Clinton, who in her youth participated in what today would be called hate crimes. At least Duke is honest about it.

I don't agree with Duke on alot of things, but he has one talent none of the Presidential candidates have had lately. He has the uncanny ability to move his lips without lying. Duke got thrown in jail, Trafficant got thrown in jail, and Ron Paul needs three witnesses when he wipes his ass because he knows he is a target.

If you want a real President, let's convince Ron Paul to run. I know he'll have problems, and will probably need a private security force because he is not going to be able to trust the secret service.

Let's face it though, no President can do what needs to be done. Big money is the President's boss. The best thing one can do is say no, and do nothing. Ron Paul is known as Dr. No because he votes against anything contrary to the Constitution, which means he votes no on everything these days. Having a President who does absolutley nothing would be far better than what we got.

Instead we got this total idiot who thinks God wants him to start a war. To say the least, his God is not my God.

In my tenth paragraph I will say this. I am not a Christian mainly because I reject forgiveness. The people I kill are still dead, the land I pollute is still polluted, the wrongs I have commited are still wrong. This all pales in comparison to the elite, the rich, the politicians. I'm hoping for an afterlife as depicted in Infernoland, a loose adaptation of Dante's Inferno. I want to go to hell and see all these MFs there, getting theirs. I'll take mine as long as they get theirs. Besides, if I wrong somebody it is up to them to forgive me, not someone who has been dead for 2,000 years. When these MFs say something like "Let God sort them out", well, all fine and good. But I want to be there when God sorts all these MFs out. Yes, I will die for that. (not a pun, but the dual meaning is intentional)

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 7/31/2006 8:32:47 AM

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While I was not impressed with Kerry I will never agree that Bush is a strong man. Who is to know what anyone else would have done during 9/11 or the time since. They did not get the chance to prove their mettle. The state this country is in because of Bush's actions since 9/11 is far far more disastrous than the events of 9/11. We will be weathering the effects of them for many years to come.

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 7/31/2006 9:37:16 AM

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The majority of the population, I think is safe to assume, would rather there be peace than war...in a perfect world. Putting aside the great devastation that this war has caused, what exactly is going on in this country that you feel is worse than 9/11? And how is it Bush fault? I know that any war can create a crisis within it's country, it causes loss of life, affects the economy, etc.... The people to blame for this war isn't Bush, but rather the terrorist countries involved, ie; Iraq.... I think the fact the our country is actually doing better economically, employment wise, etc.. is even more proof that this is a wonderful president & leader for our country...eventhough our country is at war, he's managed to work on our domestic affairs way more than his own father was able to do during Desert Storm, and a HELL of a lot more than Clinton EVER did during the entire time he was in the oval office, but in Clinton's defense, he was way too busy doing other things that mattered more to him...after all, who was going to take care of the interns???

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 7/31/2006 10:02:37 AM

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quote:

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ORIGINAL: EnglishDomNW

I'm not American but I quite like the way John Kerry came across on TV here, he seemed to be a decent kind of bloke.

You are joking right? The guy's entire campaign was "I won four medals". Were you aware that he had a picture of the medals on his election website and he was ordered to take them down pending an inquiry?

I can't help but laugh how right-wingers in the U.S. constantly (constantly) tell you how they support the troops and America.

Then an American with an exceptional military history stands for President and suddenly these same people are running him down in any way they can. You have the right to do that but don't pretend it's anything to do with the man's record - you just don't like the man's politics.

Excuse me, but in whose eyes was President Bush's military record even in the same continent as John Kerry's?

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Why? He posted a higher order than he actually received and one of them may not have been genuine at all. Not to mention one medal was "won" for getting a piece of rubble stuck in his leg. The smear campaign against him was rather unfair, I admit, but it was not like he was an angel himself. Do you know what it means to take the high road? Kerry grovelled in the mud. He sat and flung shit at Bush the whole campaign when he should have focused on himself and his strengths. He was a complete tool and that is why he lost. The public had him pegged and voted against him. They would rather deal with four more years of Bush and fighting to clean up the mess in Iraq than deal with him.

The man had NO campaign strategy except to repeat that he was a war hero (maybe he was, maybe he was not, but so what? What does that have to do with running a country exactly?)

LOL - If only he'd been a Republican, you'd be on this message board glorifying his military record til your eyes turned black

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Soooo.. The Dems blew it. They picked the wrong man to spearhead their campaign. Done deal.

I also can not stand those people that whine about the 2000 elections.

Do you see absolutely anybody on here whining about the 2000 elections?

Besides yourself I mean?

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Do you honestly think that one man and a team of lawyers is going to pull the wool over hundreds of election workers, Al Gore's team of lawyers, the USSC and the American public, all without anybody noticing anything? Come on. You are deluding yourself.

Where did anybody say this besides you??

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Get over it and get with the program. We are in 2006. 2008 will come soon enough.

Stop using pine cones for your voting system

We use "democracy", i.e. "election" not "selection". You should try it sometime, it's not a bad system, honestly.

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and there will not be a problem next time. lol.

There wasn't one this time.

I can't stand Blair but honestly, if he came out with sentences like "Is our children learning?" he'd be another "Night of the Long Knives" victim before you could sneeze.

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 7/31/2006 10:39:27 AM

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I'm trying very hard not to jump up & down asking,
"ARE YOU OUTTA YER FUCKIN' MIND"
I'm not a liberal or a conservative I see the fuck ups in All the Parties Check outThe Skeleton closet at http://www.realchange.org/

Then check out Tavistock "The best kept secret" http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/nwotavistockbestkeptsecret.shtml

because I can tell you've been brainwashed...

Then Checkout
911: The Greatest Lie Evers Sold - By Anthony Hilder - Google Video

Then
Loose Change - 2nd Edition - Google Video

Then
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/

While there pay particular attn. to the series of reports on Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, the war in Iraq, Finding the Taliban in Afganistan, and others...
While there Also checkout "Rumsfeld's War", "The War Behind Closed Doors.""The Dark Side", "Karl Rove: The Architect." "The Torture Question", "Private Warriors".

After you've read & watched All these Documentaries then do yourself & us a favor & stop trying to bully people with your neo-conservativew views!!!

I'm not going to get into an elongated discourse with you about this so you can flame Me if you want to & I'll just ignore it!!!

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 7/31/2006 10:42:40 AM

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Gah...

...You want to know how Mr Puppet Bush has screwed us up?

We broke Iraq, we bought Iraq. Iraq was -not- involved in the terror attacks, even the administration grudgingly admits this now. Our focus should have been in Afghanistan, but Rumsfeld and Cheney held back forces to use on Iraq on questionable intelligence. If we needed a place to bring democracy to to be a beacon of change in the region we would have been better served to do it in Afganistan. The administration has done everything they can to remove people who did not agree with their views that Iraq was the appropriate target, George Tennet (CIA) and Colin Powell (Army, Sec. of State) being two chief examples (Powell only lasted as long as he did being an army man, a 'team player'). They ignored the advice of Powell and current generals who knew more about Iraq and about the kinds of forces that would be needed during and, more importantly after the war.

And all of this is well documented.

The war plan was made with little or more likely -no- thought to recovery and exit strategies. We bombed their infrastructure in to the stone age and failed to get enough forces and engineers in to the area to rebuild them. We've been hiring private contractors for security and interrogation duties, contractors who have done more through their recklessness to tarnish the american image than our military has ever done.

As far as the "strength" of bush, he's a front-man. A figurehead for Cheney and Rumsfeld, two political professionals that have been working together since the Nixon administration. He's stood on aircraft carriers proclaiming "Mission Accomplished" when every analyst and military expert said the mission had barely begun (never mind that he said it before Saddam was captured.). He's a convient mouthpiece for pseudo-policy buzzphrases like "War on Terror" (Let us not forget the way our "War on Poverty" and "War on Drugs" are going.) Bush has this view of America during the Cold War, he's surrounded by people who are still living in the 1980's and still fighting the "Commie Ruskies".

All of this has ruined our position as the world leader. Sure we are still the last Superpower, for now, but we no longer have the political, economic, or ethical gravitas that we once had to shape the policies of other countries.

Once again I reference "Frontline" and if you're the daily news watching type, leave the network garbage for "News Hour with Jim Lehrer"

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Now do I think Kerry would have been better? I'm not sure, probably not. He want's immediate withdrawl, but that's not viable either. Powell had it right with the infamous "Pottery Barn" quote "We broke it, we bought it."

It was a Lose/Lose situation. The only thing going for Kerry was that he -might- have listened to experts who would have changed his mind. Bush has proven that he won't.

All water under the burning bridge now.
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On the topic of not voting: You're not making things any better by being lazy. When pollsters and public opinion analysts examine election results, any "Not Vote" results are taken as passive acceptance of the status quo, it is certanly not read as the "passive resistance" that many seem to think it does. If you really think things should change find some independent party to vote for. Sure they may not win, Hell they certanly won't, but your vote says you do not accept "business as usual".

Even though they never win, a powerful independent movement can and has changed the issues that the Democrats and the Republicans talk about.
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But then again, and as always, that's just my $0.02.

Dauric.

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 7/31/2006 10:56:07 AM

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You, my dear, are a wonderful example of one of the many things that totally irritate the hell out of me! People like you that claim to be all for freedom of speech, all for liberalism, all anti-censorship, all for pro choice, freedom of expression, yadda yadda yadda, the first moment anyone says something different than what YOU believe they are instantly shoving it down your throat and it's just not acceptable...lmao. Well buddy, tough shit. I can't stand liberals, I can't stand Democrats, I am pro freedom, anti terrorism, pro USA! I am thankful Bush is in the White House, I am thankful for the fact that the majority of our nation is smart enough to know better therefore re-electing him. So, you can whine and cry until you turn blue in the face, I could care less. Don't bother with this links, I don't give a rats ass what the liberal media says - the only one that's brainwashed here, with all that junk is you mister!

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 7/31/2006 11:05:28 AM

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EnglishDomNW:

I am not a neocon or a Republican. Nor am I a liberal. Nothing of the sort. I am a centrist actually. I am not a fundy, nor do I take sides. I see how Bush is screwing up, and I see how Kerry screwed up. Bush had something to offer the American public, for whatever it is worth. Frankly I do not care. I live in Canada. You can borrow our Halifax class frigates because they beat the snot out of yours. That is fine. Happy to help. lol

However, Kerry had nothing. No plan. No logic. Absolutely nothing but a dubious military record that I am actually not sure if the Commission sorted it out even to this day. I can not remember. No matter. He did his time. I applaud him for that and he should be proud of himself for serving his country. HOWEVER. And a HUGE however. That is no platform to run a campaign. War records do not a President make. The man was a chicken. Pack up the tents and run for your lives. This coming from a military man of honour. Would he have actually done it, or was he trying to play the perceived popular vote of the American people and wildly underestimated them? I honestly do not know, but a cowering face on television does absolutely nothing for Me.

Now. Bush. The man has had a very shady past. We all know that. However, I do not hold the past against anyone here. Nor should you armchair quarterbacks hold the past against Bush. Men and women can change. What is he like now? I am not sure exactly, but the man is no chicken, that is for damn sure. There is a man that you can kick him in the nuts until he collapses and he will look up at you and flip you the bird before he takes a swipe at your ankles. I have to respect him for that, even if I do not admire his foreign policy.

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 7/31/2006 11:05:47 AM

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does anyone realize that groups protesting an issue on the right can be classified as a terrorst group ?

big bro always has watched groups on both extremes...but now it is codyfied into law. patriot act 1- and 2.

people make money off of war. so- ask this. can more cash be made off of war or peace.

what we get is what we got.

hint- pro-life groups would now be "terrorists"

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 7/31/2006 11:08:28 AM

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EnglishDomNW:

I am not a neocon or a Republican. Nor am I a liberal. Nothing of the sort. I am a centrist actually. I am not a fundy, nor do I take sides. I see how Bush is screwing up, and I see how Kerry screwed up. Bush had something to offer the American public, for whatever it is worth. Frankly I do not care. I live in Canada. You can borrow our Halifax class frigates because they beat the snot out of yours. That is fine. Happy to help. lol

However, Kerry had nothing. No plan. No logic. Absolutely nothing but a dubious military record that I am actually not sure if the Commission sorted it out even to this day. I can not remember. No matter. He did his time. I applaud him for that and he should be proud of himself for serving his country. HOWEVER. And a HUGE however. That is no platform to run a campaign. War records do not a President make. The man was a chicken. Pack up the tents and run for your lives. This coming from a military man of honour. Would he have actually done it, or was he trying to play the perceived popular vote of the American people and wildly underestimated them? I honestly do not know, but a cowering face on television does absolutely nothing for Me.

Now. Bush. The man has had a very shady past. We all know that. However, I do not hold the past against anyone here. Nor should you armchair quarterbacks hold the past against Bush. Men and women can change. What is he like now? I am not sure exactly, but the man is no chicken, that is for damn sure. There is a man that you can kick him in the nuts until he collapses and he will look up at you and flip you the bird before he takes a swipe at your ankles. I have to respect him for that, even if I do not admire his foreign policy.

bush not a chicken? the entire poker game is on someone elses dime/blood.

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 7/31/2006 11:21:46 AM

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LMFKAO Keep your Blinders on & get into lock step as Bush & his cronies March you & this country into hell...
It's to hard for you to check the facts & figures behind that which you're espousing or too hard to see you're Wrong...
Ole Dubya prolly just Loves you!!!

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 7/31/2006 11:22:27 AM

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No, Bush is not a chicken. He stood up and said "We, as a collective, are going to see this thing through to the end". Kudos to him for not backing down. Have you any idea what message would be sent out to the world if Kerry was elected and the troops were withdrawn the way he campaigned? Any idea at all? You would be not only hated in the world arena, you would be the laughing stock as well.

You can not back down. You started it. You finish it. WMD's or no.

Incidentally, the media is all liberal except for FOX, which is sold out fundamentalist nonsense. CNN, CBS, NBC, all of them. They are all sold out liberal trash. Do you have any idea of what is REALLY going on over in Iraq right now? No. You do not. Why? Because CNN and friends do not want you to know. They want to paint Bush out to be some psychopathic warmonger in preparation for the next election. Never underestimate the power of the media, the mightiest propaganda machine ever built.

Maybe Bush is psycho, maybe he is not. That is not the point. What is happening over there is that the Iraqi's are being given a way of life they did not have under the Hussein regime. You are witnessing an overblown bunch of crap. The USA and her allies are building new infrastructure. New water and hydroelectric supplies. New schools. Hospitals. Not to mention restoring democracy by ending the cruel grip of the Sunnis.

Bush may have his weaknesses (by the way, who ever taught that guy how to speak?), but he is standing his ground and fighting to get the job done.

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 7/31/2006 11:26:16 AM

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You, my dear, are a wonderful example of one of the many things that totally irritate the hell out of me! People like you that claim to be all for freedom of speech, all for liberalism, all anti-censorship, all for pro choice, freedom of expression, yadda yadda yadda, the first moment anyone says something different than what YOU believe they are instantly shoving it down your throat and it's just not acceptable...lmao. Well buddy, tough shit. I can't stand liberals, I can't stand Democrats, I am pro freedom, anti terrorism, pro USA! I am thankful Bush is in the White House, I am thankful for the fact that the majority of our nation is smart enough to know better therefore re-electing him. So, you can whine and cry until you turn blue in the face, I could care less. Don't bother with this links, I don't give a rats ass what the liberal media says - the only one that's brainwashed here, with all that junk is you mister!

have a blessed day!

Ya know... I'm as liberal as they come, and I've got big, big problems with the current administration on several issues, but your post made my day.

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