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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 7/31/2006 8:46:01 PM   
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Me and A have had words about this since my first day. I will give him constancy.  Even in the face of dire antipathy.

I like the guy overall.

I am well aware I am knocking on wood and I  am sure he feels bad that I am unsavable, by this Yahweh guy. Perhaps he wastes his time praying for me to this fantasy, at least it is a constant heart. So I will not belittle him, but I am not going to give him a pass on his belief system.

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 7/31/2006 8:56:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

cogent but not a refutation of anything, A.  This is no reason to believe, and mine ain't neither, but as long as you tell, so do I.  In this thing we disagree.


there is nothing in the Yahweh or Yesh'ua ha Notzri story that is in any way divergent from the other creationism stories.

I belive that every woman I meet needs to suck my cock./probably ain't gona happen, and as long as I don't push that asswipe too hard, I am not gonna get alotta dark heat.

Because we cannot find a causal effect for everything does not mean that it was created by Jewish Gods................

But I don't belive in monkeys typing shakespeare either.

When we go to our stones.....we're gonna say............of course, it had to be............

Open the pod bay doors, please, HAL.

Ron



No Ron.  I am not making an argument for God here.  That is not My purpose.  My purpose is to make it self-evident that no man can definitely state "there is no God".  The discovery of the existence of God is a personal thing.  You either get it or you do not, and we have been told that many people will be left in the dark, so to Me it comes as no surprise.  My understanding and discovery was a journey, and not a story for this thread.  If you do not believe that He exists, that is fine.  I am not going to try and twist your arm, nor state that you are some kind of a fool for not believing or something.  Merely state that if anything a wise person responds "I do not know".

Oh, by the way.  Do not take the Creationism story literally...  Let Me go off track, just for a sec.  The Creation story was started millenia before hand writing was ever developed by the Sumerians in 3000 BC.  They had to compact the story so that it could be passed off from generation to generation until it could be written down.  When viewed in this context, and the evolutionary theory applied to it, you might actually be startled to realize that the two can co-exist, that the six days were not literal six days, that each "day" described a new evolutionary period, and that Adam and Eve were actually not two unique individuals at all, but tribes of (presumably) Ubadians (Adam means "Settlement on the plains" in cuneiform, the Ubedian writing of the day)

Anyways.  Just a little off-topic lesson in history I thought might amuse you.

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 7/31/2006 9:02:02 PM   
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My purpose is to make it self-evident that no man can definitely state "there is no God". 



Actually, any man can definitely state it, the truth behind it is questionable, however.

That's me, acting like I know what I'm talking about.

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 7/31/2006 9:04:25 PM   
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quote:

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My purpose is to make it self-evident that no man can definitely state "there is no God". 



Actually, any man can definitely state it, the truth behind it is questionable, however.

That's me, acting like I know what I'm talking about.

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Let Me clarify, because you do have a point.  No man can definitively state it with any type of authority.  It just is not our place to do so.

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 7/31/2006 9:06:28 PM   
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We have always agreed Kenin on the fact that one cannot completely assuage all guilt by claiming there is no god.
But if you let in the six day argument then you have bought the assumption and the deal.

That is, his name might really be Odin, as I claim, and he might be the god of confusion and war, to pointedly disagree with , and I believe put the lie to, god is not the author of confusion, he is.......man's life is filled with confusion and wars........see to yourself.

We are able to disagree on this in toatal fashion, and still remain civil.

It is a big world out there, and I only say that I admire your constance.

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 7/31/2006 9:19:19 PM   
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You, my dear, are a wonderful example of one of the many things that totally irritate the hell out of me! People like you that claim to be all for freedom of speech, all for liberalism, all anti-censorship, all for pro choice, freedom of expression, yadda yadda yadda, the first moment anyone says something different than what YOU believe they are instantly shoving it down your throat and it's just not acceptable...lmao. Well buddy, tough shit. I can't stand liberals, I can't stand Democrats, I am pro freedom, anti terrorism, pro USA! I am thankful Bush is in the White House, I am thankful for the fact that the majority of our nation is smart enough to know better therefore re-electing him. So, you can whine and cry until you turn blue in the face, I could care less. Don't bother with this links, I don't give a rats ass what the liberal media says - the only one that's brainwashed here, with all that junk is you mister!

have a blessed day!



while realizing that I am jumping in the fray here...I ask you...do you realize that I can be conservative, against pro-choice and against the liberal bias and weakness and yet still be against Bush???
Yes those of us exists....being conservative or to the right does not make us automatically pro-Bush. The man is crazy, and does not know what he is doing....did he honestly believe Iraq would be up and running after an invasion and have a workable western-style democracy in a matter of three years? Somethings to consider.

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 7/31/2006 9:23:00 PM   
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Gah...

...You want to know how Mr Puppet Bush has screwed us up?

We broke Iraq, we bought Iraq. Iraq was -not- involved in the terror attacks, even the administration grudgingly admits this now. Our focus should have been in Afghanistan, but Rumsfeld and Cheney held back forces to use on Iraq on questionable intelligence. If we needed a place to bring democracy to to be a beacon of change in the region we would have been better served to do it in Afganistan. The administration has done everything they can to remove people who did not agree with their views that Iraq was the appropriate target, George Tennet (CIA) and Colin Powell (Army, Sec. of  State) being two chief examples (Powell only lasted as long as he did being an army man, a 'team player'). They ignored the advice of Powell and current generals who knew more about Iraq and about the kinds of forces that would be needed during and, more importantly after the war.

And all of this is well documented.

The war plan was made with little or more likely -no- thought to recovery and exit strategies. We bombed their infrastructure in to the stone age and failed to get enough forces and engineers in to the area to rebuild them. We've been hiring private contractors for security and interrogation duties, contractors who have done more through their recklessness to tarnish the american image than our military has ever done.

As far as the "strength" of bush, he's a front-man. A figurehead for Cheney and Rumsfeld, two political professionals that have been working together since the Nixon administration. He's stood on aircraft carriers proclaiming "Mission Accomplished" when every analyst and military expert said the mission had barely begun (never mind that he said it before Saddam was captured.). He's a convient mouthpiece for pseudo-policy buzzphrases like "War on Terror" (Let us not forget the way our "War on Poverty" and "War on Drugs" are going.) Bush has this view of America during the Cold War, he's surrounded by people who are still living in the 1980's and still fighting the "Commie Ruskies".

All of this has ruined our position as the world leader. Sure we are still the last Superpower, for now, but we no longer have the political, economic, or ethical gravitas that we once had to shape the policies of other countries.

Once again I reference "Frontline" and if you're the daily news watching type, leave the network garbage for "News Hour with Jim Lehrer"

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Now do I think Kerry would have been better? I'm not sure, probably not. He want's immediate withdrawl, but that's not viable either. Powell had it right with the infamous "Pottery Barn" quote "We broke it, we bought it."

It was a Lose/Lose situation. The only thing going for Kerry was that he -might- have listened to experts who would have changed his mind. Bush has proven that he won't.

All water under the burning bridge now.
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On the topic of not voting: You're not making things any better by being lazy. When pollsters and public opinion analysts examine election results, any "Not Vote" results are taken as passive acceptance of the status quo, it is certanly not read as the "passive resistance" that many seem to think it does. If you really think things should change find some independent party to vote for. Sure they may not win, Hell they certanly won't, but your vote says you do not accept "business as usual".

Even though they never win, a powerful independent movement can and has changed the issues that the Democrats and the Republicans talk about.
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But then again, and as always, that's just my $0.02.

Dauric.


Dauric, right on, I agree with almost 100% of what you state....particularly on the Iraq issue. Pleasure reading your post!

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 7/31/2006 9:26:13 PM   
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wiccan has been a practiced religion for over 50,000 years,maybe under a differant name but still the same,nature based and world wide.Thought we were here 2 find sex,,,,,,,you christian biggotts

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 7/31/2006 9:28:34 PM   
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Wrong on all counts

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 7/31/2006 9:30:43 PM   
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lololololololol,

when I come, screaming and losing control, I don't say, Oh, God.......

I say, gobble it up you nasty cocksucker!!!!!!!!!! Here's your candy....

At that point however, I do believe in some form of deity.


LOLOLOLOL,
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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 8/1/2006 8:07:28 AM   
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Ok.  So according to all the not-so-well informed people on this board, I am a racist, a bigot, a homophobe, gay, a Bush lover (was there Republican in there?).  Hahaha.  You guys realize you do not make one bit of sense, right?

Let us take a moment to inform our friend about Wicca.  Gerald Gardner, a British government employee, first introduced Wicca to the world in 1954 (not 1956, but I use that for a reason).  He made grandiose claims that his form of witchcraft evolved from a secret witch cult which had been around for hundreds of years (please note we are NOT talking 50,000 years here.  Feel free to guffaw at will).  It is important to note that NONE of Gardner's claims to Wicca's origin have been proven, rather it appears that the earliest compilation of his beliefs came about in the 1920's.

So, basically, I am not a bigot.  Wicca is just a made up religion by someone who had nothing better to do with his time.     Hey, power to him.  People fell for it so obviously he did something right.

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 8/1/2006 8:17:55 AM   
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Oh, by the way..  One thing that occured to Me...  I do not know about the rest of you fellows, but the LAST thing in the world I am here for is sex.  I can get that any time I want.  Why the hell would I need a message board?  No, I am here to socialize (in My own twisted way. lol)

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 8/1/2006 12:20:17 PM   
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Ken,

Uh, how else to religions start?  Somebody wants a new one, cobbles together a bunch of stories, perverts them a bit and slaps a brand new label on them.  You do realize that is where christian beliefs come from, they stole from Judaism, Zoroastroism, the Celts, and who knows who else.

Wicca is the same, although what it is based on is far older than christianity and certainly less destructive to the human psyche than the guilt laded anti-sex and anti-woman crap heaped into modern christianity.

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 8/1/2006 12:25:19 PM   
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wiccan has been a practiced religion for over 50,000 years,maybe under a differant name but still the same,nature based and world wide.Thought we were here 2 find sex,,,,,,,you christian biggotts


Well DAMN!!! I haven't found any sex yet!  Should I be looking???





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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 8/1/2006 12:39:17 PM   
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wiccan has been a practiced religion for over 50,000 years,maybe under a differant name but still the same,nature based and world wide.Thought we were here 2 find sex,,,,,,,you christian biggotts


How come you guys get more?


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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 8/1/2006 1:54:14 PM   
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Let's see if we can return this to the Original Topic of  "Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan..." from the slug-fest it's become... I was reminded the other day about Not cut & pasting whole articles to a thread so I'll have to trust that you'll check out this Link & Read the whole thing...

http://www.refuseandresist.org/article-print.php?aid=1713


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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 8/2/2006 11:26:55 AM   
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Renegade,

Your thread has been hijacked.  Resistance is futile.  You will be assimilated.

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 8/2/2006 12:38:55 PM   
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Assimilated, and assigned a pro-Bush programming routine....

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 8/2/2006 6:10:51 PM   
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Have just been to West Texas and New Mexico which I believe are where Bush spends a lot of his time, and have finally realised where his foreign policy come from

He loves the area so much that he wants to turn the rest of the world into the same open, sparsly populated dust bowl, method of achievement, blow it all up, depopulate it......simple and brilliant.......throw in a bit of extra global warming to ensure New Mexico temperatures globally and hey presto Global New Mexico Land.
Now he just has to ensure the only food eaten world wide is dead cow in a thousand variations ..........  He doesn't have shit for brains he's a bloody genius.


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