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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 7/31/2006 11:31:00 AM

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domestic issues are more important to me.

bush is a chicken- or a whore that is bought and paid for.

it is all about corporate greed for the mega elite.

bankrupsy reform, tort reform, attepted tax reform, and his attempted social security reform.

he is a puppeteer for the corps.

the media you label as liberal- was right on messge during shock and awe.

have it your way- but i disagree.

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 7/31/2006 11:34:52 AM

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When it's Bush's failures, it's the "Liberal Media", when it's Clinton's sex scandal, it's "The conservative media witchhunt." Nobody likes the media when they're the ones who's dirty laundry is being aired, and whoever is in power is usually the one with the most public laundry.

As far as links and documentation, this is highschool stuff: Show your work. Back up your argument. Show evidence. Are you repeating what some random shmuck on the street is saying, or are you citing an interview with George Tennet, or Donald Rumsfeld? When you talk about the administration fighting on the "Dark Side" is it random buzzwords, or a quote straight from Dick Cheney?

$0.02,

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 7/31/2006 11:55:52 AM

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EnglishDomNW:

I am not a neocon or a Republican. Nor am I a liberal. Nothing of the sort. I am a centrist actually. I am not a fundy, nor do I take sides. I see how Bush is screwing up, and I see how Kerry screwed up. Bush had something to offer the American public, for whatever it is worth. Frankly I do not care. I live in Canada. You can borrow our Halifax class frigates because they beat the snot out of yours. That is fine. Happy to help. lol

However, Kerry had nothing. No plan. No logic. Absolutely nothing but a dubious military record that I am actually not sure if the Commission sorted it out even to this day. I can not remember. No matter. He did his time. I applaud him for that and he should be proud of himself for serving his country. HOWEVER. And a HUGE however. That is no platform to run a campaign. War records do not a President make. The man was a chicken.

Oh puhleeze. You don't have to like the man or his politics (if you're a centrist, I'd hate to see your vision of a right winger) but this is just downright disrespectful.

Unless of course you have a BETTER military record than Kerry.

Do you, SirKenin?

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Pack up the tents and run for your lives. This coming from a military man of honour. Would he have actually done it, or was he trying to play the perceived popular vote of the American people and wildly underestimated them? I honestly do not know, but a cowering face on television does absolutely nothing for Me.

Now. Bush. The man has had a very shady past. We all know that. However, I do not hold the past against anyone here.

Except John Kerry, that is.

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Nor should you armchair quarterbacks hold the past against Bush. Men and women can change. What is he like now? I am not sure exactly, but the man is no chicken, that is for damn sure.

There is no bravery in sending other men to fight. Anyone can do that. The only bravery is if you ARE one of those men.

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There is a man that you can kick him in the nuts until he collapses and he will look up at you and flip you the bird before he takes a swipe at your ankles.

What, exactly, are you basing this "centrist" view of bravery on? Give me an example of Bush's bravery, this unswerving "don't kick me in the nuts" statement.

You're confusing it with other men's bravery. He's just the guy pointing where they should go, remember?

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 7/31/2006 12:10:06 PM

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quote:

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Now. Bush. The man has had a very shady past. We all know that. However, I do not hold the past against anyone here. Nor should you armchair quarterbacks hold the past against Bush. Men and women can change. What is he like now? I am not sure exactly, but the man is no chicken, that is for damn sure. There is a man that you can kick him in the nuts until he collapses and he will look up at you and flip you the bird before he takes a swipe at your ankles. I have to respect him for that, even if I do not admire his foreign policy.

If you felt this way about Bush at the start of his term it would be forgiveable but now well into his second term and we have all seen what an utter disaster he is, how can you possibly stick to this view of the man?

He is a coward and like all cowards he is a bully and lets other people die in unnecessary wars to prove how tough he is. He is a diplomatic retard and an inarticulate buffoon. if he wasn't in charge of the world's only superpower most of the world would be in fits of laughter but he is in charge and most of the world finds that VERY VERY scary!

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 7/31/2006 1:17:15 PM

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No, I do not hold John Kerry's past against him. I applaud him for his bravery, or maybe you conveniently forgot to read that in your inaccurate flame fest?

I do not even think of Kerry anymore. He is a has been. He could very well be a very good man for all I know, but what I DO know is that he is yesterday's news.

The only thing I can add to the discussion at this point is that Kerry and his campaign team showed up to a gunfight with a knife. They were very ill prepared and very ill informed. They had absolutely no clue what the public wanted. They either completely forgot to do their homework or studied for the wrong exam. They blew it, plain and simple.

I do not care how many decorations you have. It does not matter if you only have a rose on your lapel. What matters is that you bring something to the table or you are going to get creamed. The 2004 elections demonstrated this. Kerry marched into a battle of wits unarmed and lost. I do not feel sorry for him. He played the wrong angle. It happens.

To be slamming Bush two years later is retarded. Think of your alternatives. If it was up to Me, I would take Bush over Kerry any day, for the simple fact that he is the lesser of two evils. Now, if he can only get the marbles out of his mouth.

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 7/31/2006 1:28:42 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

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ORIGINAL: SirKenin

Now. Bush. The man has had a very shady past. We all know that. However, I do not hold the past against anyone here. Nor should you armchair quarterbacks hold the past against Bush. Men and women can change. What is he like now? I am not sure exactly, but the man is no chicken, that is for damn sure. There is a man that you can kick him in the nuts until he collapses and he will look up at you and flip you the bird before he takes a swipe at your ankles. I have to respect him for that, even if I do not admire his foreign policy.

If you felt this way about Bush at the start of his term it would be forgiveable but now well into his second term and we have all seen what an utter disaster he is, how can you possibly stick to this view of the man?

He is a coward and like all cowards he is a bully and lets other people die in unnecessary wars to prove how tough he is. He is a diplomatic retard and an inarticulate buffoon. if he wasn't in charge of the world's only superpower most of the world would be in fits of laughter but he is in charge and most of the world finds that VERY VERY scary!

How is he an utter disaster though? This I would like to know. Because he is trying to protect you and your interests? Cry Me a river. He might be going a little bit overboard in his policies, but he has one thing at heart at the moment. Protecting you as a country. Juggling the interests of your corporate and commercial sectors with your private sector. Have you ever tried doing that? I bet you it is a lot harder than it sounds. You should be grateful that you have someone to do that. How many countries are there out there who have leaders that do not give a damn about anything but the size of their palaces? But no, here you are crying the blues (not just you, the bunch of you) because he is not doing things YOUR way. Like you could do a better job. Ok. Prove it. Or better yet, get out of that chair and go make a difference.

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 7/31/2006 1:35:28 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SirKenin

No, I do not hold John Kerry's past against him. I applaud him for his bravery, or maybe you conveniently forgot to read that in your inaccurate flame fest?

Flame? I'm just responding to your arguments,

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I do not even think of Kerry anymore. He is a has been. He could very well be a very good man for all I know, but what I DO know is that he is yesterday's news.

The only thing I can add to the discussion at this point is that Kerry and his campaign team showed up to a gunfight with a knife. They were very ill prepared and very ill informed. They had absolutely no clue what the public wanted. They either completely forgot to do their homework or studied for the wrong exam. They blew it, plain and simple.

I don't think anybody disagreed with that. I simply said he seemed like a decent bloke.

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I do not care how many decorations you have. It does not matter if you only have a rose on your lapel. What matters is that you bring something to the table or you are going to get creamed. The 2004 elections demonstrated this. Kerry marched into a battle of wits unarmed and lost. I do not feel sorry for him. He played the wrong angle. It happens.

To be slamming Bush two years later is retarded. Think of your alternatives. If it was up to Me, I would take Bush over Kerry any day, for the simple fact that he is the lesser of two evils. Now, if he can only get the marbles out of his mouth.

I guess you forgot to show me a detailed account of Bush's bravery. I'll Google it.

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 7/31/2006 1:42:20 PM

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I knew Bush had no balls when he didn't tell the Chinese to back away from that P3 because the cruise missiles were 10 minutes out.

The only saving grace about Bush is he has shown most thinking Republicans that the party they once knew has completely abandoned them and America.

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 7/31/2006 1:47:03 PM

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How many countries are there out there who have leaders that do not give a damn about anything but the size of their palaces?

I don't know about you but 1583 acres is slightly larger than my backyard and the only people he holds hands with have rather nice palaces...

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 7/31/2006 3:02:25 PM

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How many countries are there out there who have leaders that do not give a damn about anything but the size of their palaces?

I don't know about you but 1583 acres is slightly larger than my backyard and the only people he holds hands with have rather nice palaces...

Ummm, hello. Trying to stay on topic, but Bush had that property before he ever became President.

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 7/31/2006 3:45:45 PM

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It's not about the GOP or the DEMS or Liberal vs. Conservative! All that does is create more infighting....Bush has not united the two parties....if anything, these posts demonstrate even more division among people. *Sighs* 2008---hurry UP!

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 7/31/2006 3:51:29 PM

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Bush has not united the two parties? I wasn't aware that was in the job description...

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 7/31/2006 3:53:39 PM

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Grins...remember, Bush said he was a "Uniter" and not a "Divider" and he would promise to get the two parties to work together....

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 7/31/2006 5:39:07 PM

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A very well written letter to our dearest of Presidents: Mr. George W. Bush.
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Dear President Bush,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from you, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly rejects it...End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Law and how to follow them:

1.) Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

2.) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3.) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness, Leviticus 15: 19-24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4.) When I burn a bull on the alter as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord- Leviticus 1:9. The problem is, my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5.) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6.) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination-Leviticus 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there degrees of abomination?

7.) Leviticus 21:10 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?

8.) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Leviticus 19:27. How should they die?

9.) I know from Leviticus 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10.) My uncle has a farm. He violates Leviticus 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them?-Leviticus 24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, as we do with people who sleep with their in-laws-Leviticus 20:14,?

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 7/31/2006 6:55:37 PM

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Your whole argument is flawed. That entire letter is flawed. It is a complete joke and shows that you know nothing of the Bible and how it works.

Old Testament Law (Deuteronomic Law to be precise, of which Leviticus is a part) no longer pertains to modern Christianity, as clearly stated in the New Testament. We are now under grace. HOWEVER, homosexuality is condemned to a life in hell in two places in the New Testament, which is pertinent.

You would probably do well to get your facts straight next time so you do not look silly to those of us who actually know what is going on.

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 7/31/2006 7:06:58 PM

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Ken,

Did you know that studies have shown that homophobic men are unable to achieve consistent erections while watching straight porn but successfully achieve and maintain erections while watching gay porn? Perhaps that is why they believe being gay is a choice?

As for me, when I meet people like you it is enough to make me wish I were gay as in "today, we are all gay". Sadly, I don't expect someone like yourself to recognize the history behind that paraphrased statement.

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 7/31/2006 7:10:58 PM

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Only Christians are in grace, nobody else. Unless you are Christian, there is no New Testament.

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 7/31/2006 7:13:22 PM

SirKenin

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Only Christians are in grace, nobody else. Unless you are Christian, there is no New Testament.

T

See, even your argument is complete bunk. The New Testament exists whether you like it or not. The question is merely what you choose to do with it, ignore it or abide by it.

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 7/31/2006 7:14:31 PM

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Grins...remember, Bush said he was a "Uniter" and not a "Divider" and he would promise to get the two parties to work together....

Yeah, but in Bushspeak that means 'I was plannin' on watchin' Barney reruns with Teddy Kennedy'...

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RE: Why I'm NOT a Bush Fan... - 7/31/2006 7:15:39 PM

SirKenin

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ORIGINAL: CrappyDom

Ken,

Did you know that studies have shown that homophobic men are unable to achieve consistent erections while watching straight porn but successfully achieve and maintain erections while watching gay porn? Perhaps that is why they believe being gay is a choice?

As for me, when I meet people like you it is enough to make me wish I were gay as in "today, we are all gay". Sadly, I don't expect someone like yourself to recognize the history behind that paraphrased statement.

I am not homophobic at all. I could care less whether you are homosexual or not. That is between you and God. This dialogue does not even involve you, but since you choose to stick your two cents in, which is your right, I am only telling you what the New Testament says, so use a little bit of wisdom and discretion, as much as you can possibly muster, and do not throw bullshit labels at the messenger. If you do not like it, go dig Paul up and punch him in the skull or something. Do not bother wasting your time with Me, because your words mean about as much to Me as you do.

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