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RE: The US and Britain - 8/5/2006 6:20:30 AM   
NorthernGent


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Status: offline 		Do you know IronBear, I was born and raised only about 60 miles south of the border and I have never really explored Scotland which is criminal really - even more so as one side of my family is Scottish.

I have spent some time in Ireland though - where is your Father's family from in Ireland?

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RE: The US and Britain - 8/5/2006 6:27:05 AM   
NorthernGent


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Apologies for building your hopes up that you had come into contact with another Kate Bush fan. I'd be lying if I said I knew very much about her. It's a cruel old world but I do apologise.

I did have a strange chat in the pub the other night about her though with a fella who was completely smitten by her and the fact she was under 5 feet tall. Apparently, in the late 70s she was the sexiest woman alive (according to the random fella who at this point was dribbling uncontrollably). Unfortunately before my time but she happened to be on the tele at the time this fella was dribbling and her wailing in a white sheet didn't appear to be consistent with his "sexiest woman" alive claim. Maybe I'm missing the point but it didn't help that I couldn't see her face for her hair.

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RE: The US and Britain - 8/5/2006 6:31:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

Do you know IronBear, I was born and raised only about 60 miles south of the border and I have never really explored Scotland which is criminal really - even more so as one side of my family is Scottish.

I have spent some time in Ireland though - where is your Father's family from in Ireland?


60 miles south being Cumbria? Or over on the East coast?

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RE: The US and Britain - 8/5/2006 6:46:01 AM   
NorthernGent


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RE: The US and Britain - 8/5/2006 6:51:34 AM   
EnglishDomNW


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Status: offline 		The reason I asked is because I'm almost exactly 60 miles south of the border on the West Coast.

(i.e. the posh side)

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RE: The US and Britain - 8/5/2006 7:00:57 AM   
NorthernGent


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Status: offline 		posh side lol, there's grasping at straws and there's grasping at anything, aren't there still dinosaurs roaming around the wilds of Carlisle and Workington? In your defence, The Lake District is worth having on your doorstep.

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RE: The US and Britain - 8/5/2006 7:03:48 AM   
EnglishDomNW


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Status: offline 		lol nice scenery but a bit dull otherwise.  Although we don't hang monkeys over here.

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RE: The US and Britain - 8/5/2006 7:07:25 AM   
NorthernGent


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RE: The US and Britain - 8/5/2006 11:10:31 AM   
NorthernGent


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Status: offline 		We are the solution. The problem is we are accustomed to a relatively lavish standard of living. The economic colonisation that is taking place in places like Iraq and Afghanistan maintains our economic strength and by association our standard of living. When we learn to accept one less car and a house costing less than £200k then we may stop turning a blind eye to what is basically slaughter.

No point blaming Bush and Blair. We get the Governments we deserve. They represent us.

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RE: The US and Britain - 8/5/2006 12:00:25 PM   
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Any one of us could have been born in Iran or Afghanistan or Nigeria (in which case we'd now be messaging scams on CollarMe instead of using this message board).

I love England, not in a flag-waving jingoistic way, I just love the history, culture and scenery of where I live.  And I'm reasonably thankful for it.


LOL....very true, poor Nigerians.

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RE: The US and Britain - 8/5/2006 12:07:13 PM   
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MasterKalif,

A very good post and for someone not British you have a reasonable understanding of the place.

A few points worth adding:

1) In his role as Protector of the Crown our Prime Minister can make serious decisions on his own without any consultation with Parliament. So, we're not quite the democracy that our Prime Minister would lead others to believe.

2) You are exactly right about the motives behind the British Government allying itself with the US Government. It is purely economic and dictated by self-interest. Nothing whatsoever to do with spreading democracy or a special relationship - both notions are laughable. I agree totally that the British Government is a disgrace and an embarrasment to Britain with the refusal to accept that slaughtering people is wrong.

3) The tea drinking and dignified was the image of Britain. The reality of working class Britain has always been one of alcohol-fuelled brawling, gambling and unabashed debauchery. There is a strange parallel between the US today and Britain at the height of empire. Today the US is blamed for the erosion of culture and Britain was too at the height of empire - for example, in Europe, sports were seen as an English frivolity and an example of a decadent society.

4) The Liberalism tag is a red-herring. Britain is a conservative country at heart and it is one area where we are very much like the US.

A good post though.
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NorthernGent, thank you for your reply. I lived in Britain briefly as a child, which is not much to go on, but I love to read history and politics, so it could be the reason why I may know some things. I have visited London a few times and will need to do so again in the future as I have many good friends that live there.

I wanted to ask you regarding your statement that Britain and the US were "conservative"....is this in regards that there is no "revolutionary changes" or that political traditions change little? Could you expand on that?

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RE: The US and Britain - 8/5/2006 12:44:55 PM   
NorthernGent


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Status: offline 		No problem MasterKalif,

In terms of Britain, Socialism has never really thrived here. Before WW1, in Germany 34% of the electorate voted for a Socialist Party compared with 5% in Britain and this was at a time when across Europe Socialism was gathering pace at a huge rate of knots - the British public were pretty much apathetic to it. Then, in the 1930s, after The Wall Street Crash, our Labour Party Prime Minister joined a coalition with the Liberals and Conservatives at a time when unemployment and poverty was crippling - even in such a scenario there still wasn't the will to move away from Conservative politics. Fastforward to the 1980s and the only campaigning the Conservative Party needed to do was mention the word "tax" and that was the end of the Left-Wing campaign because people here are imbued with the Conservative principles of self-interest. Recently, our traditionally Left-Wing party has had to reinvent itself as a Conservative party to get anywhere near Government - they have basically adopted Conservative principles of privisation and pandering to interest groups.

Also, we have consistently operated a free-market economic system which is basically every man/woman for him/herself - a Conservative view of economics.

We still have a landed-class and a monarchy who do very little but wield a disproportionate amount of power. This is completely backward and in line with the Conservative ideals of maintaining the status quo.

In terms of the US, I'm basing my opinion on the role religion plays in US society. The church is conservative by virtue of strict dogma determined years ago. Also, business domination of US politics is a result of the Conservative ideals of profit before welfare.

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RE: The US and Britain - 8/5/2006 1:29:42 PM   
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Do you have ANY idea of what Angst TWIGGY caused the American Women over the past 40 years????

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RE: The US and Britain - 8/5/2006 1:57:57 PM   
NorthernGent


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I'm sure it was a traumatic time for all concerned :-) I must start meeting some American women, in fact all 175 million of them. I might even take a few strays in, you know put them in my loft or somewhere and bring them out on the 4th July when they're in a charitable mood :-)

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RE: The US and Britain - 8/5/2006 2:30:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Gent, good thread.
As far as looking at Seattle, New York or San Francisco as "the norm" ah....NO!  lol
Those places are just as fanatic as the right wing religious fanatics!
I try to avoid "fanatics" of ANY stripe. NONE of them are ever any fun and all they want to do is argue!  No Thanks!
You do make some good points about our similarities.

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RE: The US and Britain - 8/5/2006 2:52:23 PM   
NorthernGent


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Status: offline 		Fair enough Popeye. When I do make it across the pond I'll be sure to cross the other side of the road when the fanatics are out and about. I did almost make it to the US last year and had it all planned out - was going to Boston, New York and Charlestown in the South and at the last minute changed my mind and went to Japan instead. Maybe next year.

As many of the founders of the US held British values it would be hard for us not to have some similarities. Good of you to take our more religious elements off our hands :-) For that alone we will be forever indebted to you.

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RE: The US and Britain - 8/5/2006 3:05:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		AAAAAAAAAAAAAH  There are like Brits on CM?  They post in the forums too? 

England has free health care = )  People with a GREAT sense of humour and people that know how to insult another with out giving offense or offense being taken.  AND they've got great tea! 

Course they are abit anal. 

i've been back and forth to england through out my life, since i was like little.  Only about a handful of times as i've needed time to go to OTHER places.  Which infact is where i'm going Xmas!  Which infact is where i'm moving in less then 2 years.  Hopefully a year.. maybe a year in a half.. not longer then 2!! 

gawdddddddd and i've this sweet, damn good looking man up in Northants.  Dur i swear, the first day i met him, approx 7 years ago, my mouth dropped open.  ^ ^  HE WAS A GOD!!  Kicking a soccer ball, walking around with no shirt on, nicely muscled body, and tan.......  ::sigggggggggh::  Not only is he gorgeious, but he's got a wicked fuckin personality.  Damn!  Wont he be lucky when i move to england?

Anywho!  Back to Topic! 

One of the differences between the US and England is; The Us lacks in culture and england has a very distinct culture. 

dur daaaats all folks!


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RE: The US and Britain - 8/5/2006 3:25:40 PM   
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RE: The US and Britain - 8/5/2006 5:19:26 PM   
EnglishDomNW


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Status: offline 		If there's one thing I envy about Americans it's their refusal to take second best in any service.  I once listened to a woman arguing with her bank over a small charge they made for her going into the red and sweet Jesus, you'd think they'd shot her pet dog or something.  But man, did she argue her case until they erased that bank charge.  I almost applauded her as she strutted out.

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RE: The US and Britain - 8/5/2006 6:11:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Difficult to say something really different at this point, but I'd completely agree with 2 points already made:

1. The US and Britain are more alike than different... in fact, I think this about any western European country I have been to.  Differences such as language and colloquial expressions are really very superficial.

2. The biggest mistake that people normally make when thinking about another country where they haven't really visited and talked extensively with many of it's people is considering it to be a monolithic entity, composed of completely homogenous citizens, clones.  From my experience, there is enormous variety in the outlooks, attitudes and practices within the US, and within Britain (again, as in any country I have visited, period).

....although there will be always be hardliners in Britain and the US that will look askance (to put it mildly ;-)) at the other... I think there is great affection between the two as well.  Certainly, although there have been many other cultural influences, the US is nothing if not a child of Britain.  I don't think that bond can just be erased very quickly.

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