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RE: slave & obedience - 8/6/2006 3:46:10 AM

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Who WANTS a slave who doesnt think? Being a slave has nothing to do with someone's level of intelligence. Some slaves are very intelligent and often highly educated. This can be one of the strengths they bring to a M/s relationship and undoubtedly makes them more useful, not less useful. That could actually make them MORE obedient, if obedience is a goal. I suspect the unthinking and vacant are much MORE likely to be non-compliant.

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RE: slave & obedience - 8/6/2006 11:08:38 AM

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hello submotive,

I'm going to go out on a limb here and give you a little about how i live life as a slave. Everyone in the community is always complimenting Master on how good of a slave he has, and how obediant she is. I never really thought about it, i just do what is asked. I live by a saying that seems to explain how i am. I call it the *but clause*. To explain a little further, i am asked to do a lot of things, some i may enjoy, others i may not, ***but i do them anyway***. (The *but clause*). It doesn't matter to me if it is something i like or don't like i do it anyway, and the reward is that i have pleased Master. There are phrases that i am allowed to use to let him know if i'm all for it, or if i'm doing it only to please him, but the decision is always his. In the process of living my life this way, i am always obedient, and always mindful. I don't think it is possible for anyone to just serve and be obedient without having thoughts, wether it's good thoughts or bad thoughts. We are human in the end and that is one thing we are not going to be able to change. You do not have to lose who you are in order to be obedient, and you don't have to like everything that is asked of you. If the request does not endanger you physically or emotionally, or put you in a position that could mean jail time, then there isn't any harm in complying. The rewards outweigh the little bit of discomfort that you might feel because it is simply something you don't enjoy. Just some food for thought from one slave to another.
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RE: slave & obedience - 8/6/2006 11:23:39 AM

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Personally, I think obedience is over rated. What I think ranks higher is pro-active service.

In this perspective what is better: Being told to get a glass of water and going and getting it? Or having that glass of water ready before you are asked?

Providing that kind of service involves caring, empathy and thought out motions.

Wow! There is nothing to add except to compliment you on an articulate, intelligent post.

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RE: slave & obedience - 8/6/2006 12:51:20 PM

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Can a slave be perfectly obedient without becoming mindless?
Would You say that perfect obedience requires a slave to set all thinking for herself aside? If not, how can she be perfectly obedient and still one who thinks?

As said before... Nothing is Prefect. Second, being obedient is a response to a precieved command/instruction/want/need from a precieved authority. Becoming mindless... would indicate a lack of thought or consideration in deciding if one should respond and be obedient to the command/instruction or not.   I would think it very difficult that a person to be devoid of thought in each and every situation that they are required to be obedient. So... I think it is damn near impossible for anyone to become mindless in a prefect sense... unless one is dead of course.

Obedience is the end result of a slave demonstrating their submission to my authority.  But, obedience is also the end result of a slave's Intention to fullfill there responsibilities Therefore, I consider mindfulness an important quailty.

Mindfulness defined for me is: " A trait of staying aware of ones responsibilities"   However, being aware doesn't equate to fulfilling those responsibilities. So I feel that a slave should also be "Motivated" to fulfill the responsibilities that they are aware of and take the action that is required.

Therefore... I expect my slaves to be Mindful of their responsiblity of caring for my needs and wants. This maybe the awareness that they need to bring me a cold glass of Ice Tea while I am working outside on a hot day.   They are not only aware but take action to do so without waiting for my command to do so. They are aware of my instrinsic needs, preferences and habits and take a personal responsibility to act care for them and if in doubt they ask. In fulfilling these responsibilities they are in effect being demonstrating Obedience.

Obedience is more than just responding to a command. It is also the intention to fulfill responsibilities to ones precieved authority.

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RE: slave & obedience - 8/6/2006 1:01:56 PM

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Obedience is more than just responding to a command. It is also the intention to fulfill responsibilities to ones precieved authority.

This is a good and often forgotten point, I think. Master wants obedience from me. Part of his law is that I am pleasing to him, and that I find new and better ways to please him. Part of his law is that I work on my own self awareness. Part of his law is that I am a good daughter to my parents, and a good employee at work, and a good sister, aunt, friend, student, etc. To obey him by working on all that requires a LOT of thought, intuitiveness, communication skills, and awareness.

I often see people relate to obedience as a reply to a particular command. He says sit, she sits, for example. I don't think it is as simple as that. As for the idea of having a glass of water ready before Master tells you he is thirsty - for me that would be obeying my law that I see to my Master's needs. In my case, sometimes I know it is water he wants and offer it to him in a glass, while other times I don't know if his preference is water, and simply ask if he is thirsty and would like something. Sometimes, I have no idea he might be thirsty at all, as maybe he is sitting there working while I am concentrating on rubbing his feet, and then out of the blue he tells me he wants something to drink after having turned down a previous offer. In any of those cases, I am obediently supplying him with something to quench his thirst.

I think sometimes people see obedience as a passive display submission, when in fact it can encompass much more than that.

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RE: slave & obedience - 8/7/2006 6:52:11 AM

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ORIGINAL: Submotive

Greetings A/all - i have a few questions and welcome responses from all perspectives.

Can a slave be perfectly obedient without becoming mindless?
Would You say that perfect obedience requires a slave to set all thinking for herself aside? If not, how can she be perfectly obedient and still one who thinks?

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Since slaves are considered valuable and zombies are not.. I would imagine there really isnt such a thing as a mindless slave. A slave in our realm is charged with so many responsibilities beyond simple obedience..how on earth could s/he be mindless and still be a slave? I dont get it.

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RE: slave & obedience - 8/7/2006 8:53:36 AM

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ORIGINAL: Submotive

Greetings A/all - i have a few questions and welcome responses from all perspectives.

Can a slave be perfectly obedient without becoming mindless?
Would You say that perfect obedience requires a slave to set all thinking for herself aside? If not, how can she be perfectly obedient and still one who thinks?

Thanks to A/all.

I've never understood the connection between obedience and intelligence or thinking. Obedience is about doing what you are told, that has nothing to do with your thought process or level of analysis prior to or while doing. So yes you can obey and actually think at the same time. Its like driving a car and thinking, thats also possible, one has to do with actions the other with... thinking.

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RE: slave & obedience - 8/7/2006 12:55:53 PM

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Can a slave be perfectly obedient without becoming mindless?
Would You say that perfect obedience requires a slave to set all thinking for herself aside? If not, how can she be perfectly obedient and still one who thinks?

It is impossible to be perfectly obedient at all times for the simple reason that perfection does not exist. However that does not mean that we can not strive to be the absolute best that is within us.

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