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doll -> RE: Government to ban over eating, obesity outstripping smoking as leading cause of death in the US. (8/8/2006 3:19:22 AM)
What I find most funny is the skinny family that goes to an all-you- can-eat buffet and eats plate after plate of food and then listen to them make comments about the fat person eating their salad. Not saying that all fat people eat sensibly, but some are fat for other reasons than overeating. I have read both threads and I guess I am damned on both since I am fat and smoke. Oh well...I will gladly eat my steak medium rare with my rice pilaf then go outside and smoke a cigarette....away from the non-smokers.

twicehappy -> RE: Government to ban over eating, obesity outstripping smoking as leading cause of death in the US. (8/8/2006 3:27:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig but smoking has the proven ability to harm those who do not smoke, which overeating doesn't really. I will be more than happy if you can provide me with proof, not doctors etc saying that it does but facts such as i have provided about obesity. By the way i do agree with you, i never inflict my smoking on those who do not any more than i afflict them with my sexual choices. quote: ORIGINAL: MrrPete Food is the one substance that if you overindulge it can eventually kill you. Maybe, maybe not. But if you quit eating you will die much faster and the results are unavoidable. On the other hand not eating so much may save your life. Granted there are medical reasons some individuals have difficulty losing weight, though i have yet to see any condition which makes it impossible to loose weight, and i was a nurse for 18 years. quote: ORIGINAL: cynthiamarie Parents with fat children should in all actuality be considered child abusers. This statement was made in response to another poster claiming that parents who smoke around their children were child abusers as second hand smoke can cause illness and death. Since more children (according to the latest from the CDC and NIH) are likely to suffer long term health risks by being overweight it leads to the above statement. quote: Everyone in my family is overweight, and...guess what? We exercise and our calorie intake is usually around 2000 calories per day Unless everyone in your family is carefully weighing or measuring their food including condiments and what they drink i bet you would be surprised at how many calories they are consuming. As a nurse from time to time i had cause to have a patient keep a daily food intake diary. Surprise, the patients who thought they were eating very healthy low calorie diets or even normal diets often exceeded the recommended calorie intake by 2000 to 400 more calories than they thought. An example, breakfast of cereal, toast, milk, orange juice and coffee. Cereal(Raisin Bran) one cup is 209 calories, unfortunately most folks eat about 2 cups unless they measure, sounds like a lot until you use a dry volume cup to measure accurately. Now sugar on the cereal, 2 teaspoons at 53 calories a teaspoon, orange juice at 110 calories a cup, toast two slices at 93 calories a slice, butter or margarine at 83 calories a teaspoon, milk for your cereal at 153 calories a cup, coffee with sugar at 53 calories a spoon, two tsps, another 106 calories, add milk to the coffee you have more. Now let us add up this typical American breakfast, in comes in a 1239 calories, over half of the 2000 calories you state each family member consumes. My point is that unless you measure and read every package youreally have no idea how many calories you actually consume. Most people would be amazed to learn their true caloric intake.

sharainks -> RE: Government to ban over eating, obesity outstripping smoking as leading cause of death in the US. (8/8/2006 4:06:56 AM)
Call it an early morning case of grumpies but what concerns me more is just how much this country has gotten into the idea that other people or the govt. should decide what an individual does. I don't care if its weight, smoking, wearing perfume or aftershave, etc. Who the he-- told anyone that they have the right to force others to live by their standards? If people are ok with the choices they make then it should be their right to make those choices. If there are consequences to them, as long as they are willing to live with them why should someone else say they can't? On this site we've made choices that most people think are wrong. We point out RACK and SSC and say that we have a right to make those choices. Either we believe that people are competent to live their lives as they chose or we believe the govt. or some watchdog group should make those choices for us. I'm for people and govt. worrying about their own stuff and leaving the rest of us to do the same.

twicehappy -> RE: Government to ban over eating, obesity outstripping smoking as leading cause of death in the US. (8/8/2006 4:24:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sharainks Call it an early morning case of grumpies but what concerns me more is just how much this country has gotten into the idea that other people or the govt. should decide what an individual does. I don't care if its weight, smoking, wearing perfume or aftershave, etc. Who the he-- told anyone that they have the right to force others to live by their standards? If people are ok with the choices they make then it should be their right to make those choices. If there are consequences to them, as long as they are willing to live with them why should someone else say they can't? On this site we've made choices that most people think are wrong. We point out RACK and SSC and say that we have a right to make those choices. Either we believe that people are competent to live their lives as they chose or we believe the govt. or some watchdog group should make those choices for us. I'm for people and govt. worrying about their own stuff and leaving the rest of us to do the same. I'll be damned!!!!!!!! Somebody got it!

doll -> RE: Government to ban over eating, obesity outstripping smoking as leading cause of death in the US. (8/8/2006 4:26:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: twicehappy quote: ORIGINAL: sharainks Call it an early morning case of grumpies but what concerns me more is just how much this country has gotten into the idea that other people or the govt. should decide what an individual does. I don't care if its weight, smoking, wearing perfume or aftershave, etc. Who the he-- told anyone that they have the right to force others to live by their standards? If people are ok with the choices they make then it should be their right to make those choices. If there are consequences to them, as long as they are willing to live with them why should someone else say they can't? On this site we've made choices that most people think are wrong. We point out RACK and SSC and say that we have a right to make those choices. Either we believe that people are competent to live their lives as they chose or we believe the govt. or some watchdog group should make those choices for us. I'm for people and govt. worrying about their own stuff and leaving the rest of us to do the same. I'll be damned!!!!!!!! Somebody got it! [sm=banana.gif]

SexyRed -> RE: Government to ban over eating, obesity outstripping smoking as leading cause of death in the US. (8/8/2006 4:36:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: doll quote: ORIGINAL: twicehappy quote: ORIGINAL: sharainks Call it an early morning case of grumpies but what concerns me more is just how much this country has gotten into the idea that other people or the govt. should decide what an individual does. I don't care if its weight, smoking, wearing perfume or aftershave, etc. Who the he-- told anyone that they have the right to force others to live by their standards? If people are ok with the choices they make then it should be their right to make those choices. If there are consequences to them, as long as they are willing to live with them why should someone else say they can't? On this site we've made choices that most people think are wrong. We point out RACK and SSC and say that we have a right to make those choices. Either we believe that people are competent to live their lives as they chose or we believe the govt. or some watchdog group should make those choices for us. I'm for people and govt. worrying about their own stuff and leaving the rest of us to do the same. I'll be damned!!!!!!!! Somebody got it! [sm=banana.gif] I will chime in as well with my agreement on that. How hypocritical to constantly harp on what others choose to do, especially given where this message board is.

Moloch -> RE: Government to ban over eating, obesity outstripping smoking as leading cause of death in the US. (8/8/2006 5:20:46 AM)
Bah I never ate healthy in my life and I never will, I just do more running extra crunches and push ups if I pig out.

MrrPete -> RE: Government to ban over eating, obesity outstripping smoking as leading cause of death in the US. (8/8/2006 5:29:37 AM)
No other mammal drinks milk past infancy and no other animal uses milk from another species to raise their young from infancy. I had a kidney stone in each kidney six months apart when I was 18. I was fortunate to pass both without incident. I was told it was caused by EXCESSIVE milk consumption. I did drink a LOT of milk. Since then I rarely drink milk. I can control my cholesterol by the amount of cheese I eat. If given a choice between a $1 apple and $.25 brick of noodles - I'll pass on both. The apple being too expensive and the noodles are too high in calories AND it takes 2-3 bricks to reduce my appetite sufficiently. Living alone I hate to cook. I could live on peanut butter except for what it does to my waistline. Being on fixed income I can't afford to eat as healthy as I'd like and did I mention I HATE to cook. Actually it's the preparation I hate.

BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Government to ban over eating, obesity outstripping smoking as leading cause of death in the US. (8/8/2006 6:33:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stef quote: ORIGINAL: twicehappy What will they do when the good old government legislates away their right to go to Baskin Robbins or unwrap a Twinkie in public? They can do that right after they prove the detrimental health effects from second-hand calories [;)] ~stef [sm=applause.gif][sm=applause.gif] Perfect! Twice, I'm not happy (no pun intended) with the government banning smoke everywhere, or telling me how/when I ought to die; so my position on smoking is that as long as it isn't suffocating me in a room or being blown directly in my face, it's perfectly kool; I certainly don't think the government ought to rob restaurants and bars of their business by forbidding cigarette smoking, as long as the bars/restaurants have provisions in place for their non smoking patrons. M

twicehappy -> RE: Government to ban over eating, obesity outstripping smoking as leading cause of death in the US. (8/8/2006 6:52:45 AM)
BTF, yahoo, another one gets it. This thread was not meant to take cheap pot shots at those folks who are carrying a few extra pounds. It was meant to be a lesson in giving Uncle Sam too much control over any aspect of our lives. Everybody had a million reasons why the government should control smoking but the number one reason was that it is bad for you. With the new study in that will put obesity at the top of the list of things that are bad for you i wanted to see how everybody would feel about Uncle Sam stepping in to control our eating habits because after all it is now a fact that more people die or are ill due to obesity. Sometimes folks need to look at the base issue instead of one particular thing that triggers an emotional response. The point is if we allow government to control us, to decide for us what we should be allowed to do based on their opinion of it's inherent rightness or wrongness where does it stop? LA posed an excellent question: "I wonder if it will go so far as to force people to stop breeding based on genetic pre-dispositions based on race and background." As a nation we must start putting a serious kybosh on over extensive governmental controls or suffer the consequences of our lackadaisical belief that Big Brother really does know best.

LadyJulieAnn -> RE: Government to ban over eating, obesity outstripping smoking as leading cause of death in the US. (8/8/2006 6:58:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SexyRed quote: ORIGINAL: doll quote: ORIGINAL: twicehappy quote: ORIGINAL: sharainks Call it an early morning case of grumpies but what concerns me more is just how much this country has gotten into the idea that other people or the govt. should decide what an individual does. I don't care if its weight, smoking, wearing perfume or aftershave, etc. Who the he-- told anyone that they have the right to force others to live by their standards? If people are ok with the choices they make then it should be their right to make those choices. If there are consequences to them, as long as they are willing to live with them why should someone else say they can't? On this site we've made choices that most people think are wrong. We point out RACK and SSC and say that we have a right to make those choices. Either we believe that people are competent to live their lives as they chose or we believe the govt. or some watchdog group should make those choices for us. I'm for people and govt. worrying about their own stuff and leaving the rest of us to do the same. I'll be damned!!!!!!!! Somebody got it! [sm=banana.gif] I will chime in as well with my agreement on that. How hypocritical to constantly harp on what others choose to do, especially given where this message board is. I think if you read some of the other forums, you will find that plenty of threads "constantly harp" on what others choose to do.

KatyLied -> RE: Government to ban over eating, obesity outstripping smoking as leading cause of death in the US. (8/8/2006 9:21:47 AM)
quote: That was also a period of time in my life when I made it a point to not have all my social interactions revolve around food Hey!

TheOriginalBitch -> RE: Government to ban over eating, obesity outstripping smoking as leading cause of death in the US. (8/8/2006 9:28:08 AM)
Very Well Said, Stick It To The Man! (The Man Is The Gov't)

MistressLorelei -> RE: Government to ban over eating, obesity outstripping smoking as leading cause of death in the US. (8/8/2006 9:40:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sharainks Call it an early morning case of grumpies but what concerns me more is just how much this country has gotten into the idea that other people or the govt. should decide what an individual does. I don't care if its weight, smoking, wearing perfume or aftershave, etc. Who the he-- told anyone that they have the right to force others to live by their standards? If people are ok with the choices they make then it should be their right to make those choices. If there are consequences to them, as long as they are willing to live with them why should someone else say they can't? On this site we've made choices that most people think are wrong. We point out RACK and SSC and say that we have a right to make those choices. Either we believe that people are competent to live their lives as they chose or we believe the govt. or some watchdog group should make those choices for us. I'm for people and govt. worrying about their own stuff and leaving the rest of us to do the same. Yes!! I do get it... we should all make our own choices. I choose to breath air not containing second hand smoke in places that are designed for all the entire public.. not for only the smoking public. So you are saying that smokers shouldn't interfere with the rights of the general population to breath as they please, right? Don't make a choice for me. Smoke, eat, or participate in whatever bdsm act you please.... but don't force feed me your crap. Safe, sane, and consensual is a common motto for bdsmers. Forcing others to inhale harmful pollutants in public places is none of these things. I might enjoy putting a collar on a submissive and smacking him around a bit, but doing so to an unwilling stranger because I enjoy it... wouldn't be cool.

juliaoceania -> RE: Government to ban over eating, obesity outstripping smoking as leading cause of death in the US. (8/8/2006 11:59:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: twicehappy BTF, yahoo, another one gets it. This thread was not meant to take cheap pot shots at those folks who are carrying a few extra pounds. It was meant to be a lesson in giving Uncle Sam too much control over any aspect of our lives. Everybody had a million reasons why the government should control smoking but the number one reason was that it is bad for you. With the new study in that will put obesity at the top of the list of things that are bad for you i wanted to see how everybody would feel about Uncle Sam stepping in to control our eating habits because after all it is now a fact that more people die or are ill due to obesity. Sometimes folks need to look at the base issue instead of one particular thing that triggers an emotional response. The point is if we allow government to control us, to decide for us what we should be allowed to do based on their opinion of it's inherent rightness or wrongness where does it stop? LA posed an excellent question: "I wonder if it will go so far as to force people to stop breeding based on genetic pre-dispositions based on race and background." As a nation we must start putting a serious kybosh on over extensive governmental controls or suffer the consequences of our lackadaisical belief that Big Brother really does know best. I think that I would love the government to step in and ban certain chemical additives in the food that maybe responsible for the fact we crave junk. Certain drugs make us crave food, why not preservatives and hormones? Bovine Growth Hormone is terrible for our kids, and I think it has led to some of the obesity. I know you did not intend for this thread to go this way, but I could argue that the FDA should regulate what goes into the food, and it should not be up to companies to toxify us for profit. Same with ciggies and adding nicotine and chemicals without our knowledge IMO.

sharainks -> RE: Government to ban over eating, obesity outstripping smoking as leading cause of death in the US. (8/8/2006 3:16:33 PM)
Mistress Lorelei, Isn't is true in reverse though? If you choose not to be around people who smoke go to a non smoking place, there are plenty of them. If you choose to go to a place where smoking is allowed then don't gripe about it once there. Thats a choice as well. To some extent people will always have others bad habits forced on them. Whether thats people who crowd in front of you in line, people who cut in front of you in traffic. People who stink from BO, people who talk in your face without brushing their teeth regularly. People who jabber on cell phones in every public place. I guess I don't see the singling out of one or two particular habits to make such an issue of. Some unpleasantness is a part of life. Avoid what you can and learn to cope with the rest.

sharainks -> RE: Government to ban over eating, obesity outstripping smoking as leading cause of death in the US. (8/8/2006 3:21:31 PM)
juliaoceania, you are preaching to the choir here. If people would take the time to find out what is in their food I think they might make different choices. I could post links from now to Sunday but doubt many would even look at them. Its easier to go on getting cancer and heart disease than it is to educate yourself about the dangers of the "Standard American Diet" yes its got a name and an acronym SAD it fits once you take the time to learn about what you are eating.

twicehappy -> RE: Government to ban over eating, obesity outstripping smoking as leading cause of death in the US. (8/8/2006 3:46:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MistressLorelei Yes!! I do get it... we should all make our own choices. I choose to breath air not containing second hand smoke in places that are designed for all the entire public.. not for only the smoking public. So you are saying that smokers shouldn't interfere with the rights of the general population to breath as they please, right? I am saying if my smoking bothers you in areas that are designated for smokers (i.e. the smoking section of a bar etc) stay out of those sections or stick to places that do not allow smoking. I do not eat in places that do not allow smoking, my choice. Do not force your choice not to smoke on me and i will not force me choice to smoke on you. Either way we get to choose not the government. quote: Don't make a choice for me. Smoke, eat, or participate in whatever bdsm act you please.... but don't force feed me your crap. Ah..you mean the way you are attempting to feed me yours at this moment? quote: Forcing others to inhale harmful pollutants in public places is none of these things. I force no one, if you do not wish to inhale second hand smoke stay out of places that allow smoking. If someone does not wish to participare in bdsm they would not enter a bdsm club now would they?

twicehappy -> RE: Government to ban over eating, obesity outstripping smoking as leading cause of death in the US. (8/8/2006 3:50:20 PM)
Julia and sharainks you are both right on the food issues. They fact is that while all products are labeled as to their ingredients the average consumer really has no idea what all the complicated chemicals listed really are. When my children were born i bought a farm, raised my own cows, pigs, chickens and had a huge 2 acre garden. We picked all our fruits at a local Amish no spray farm. I canned and froze about 90% of what my children ate just so i could be sure about what they were consuming.

sharainks -> RE: Government to ban over eating, obesity outstripping smoking as leading cause of death in the US. (8/8/2006 4:03:50 PM)
Congrats to twice happy on both her last posts. Well said. I think the irony of ML's post was lost on her. It came across as do whatever you want as long as its not something I don't appreciate or approve of. Thats one of my big issues with so much of what we see going on. People scream about "their" rights while at the same time wanting to limit what others do. That is a point with bdsm. Many vanillas think we should be locked up for what we do. Who chooses who gets to tell other people what their choices will be? At some point doesn't it become the case that there are fewer and fewer choices people are able to make for themselves because that has already been determined by someone else? There used to be a poem about what went on when Hitler came to power. It went something like, when they came for the Polish I watched and did nothing, when they came for the Jews I watched and did nothing, etc. When they came for me there was no one left to do anything.

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