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RE: But you did not tell me..... - 8/8/2006 3:11:51 AM

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... i knew i was in trouble ao i tried to get out of it by saying you did not tell me i could not...Did any others ever try that line?

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RE: But you did not tell me..... - 8/8/2006 5:02:17 AM

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I haven't used that exact line but early on in my relationship I used to say stuff like * It's not fairrrrr*....or try to excuse my behaviour in some way but I was much more hellbent on *living in the moment* than I am now.

I still do things without thinking, but the *not thinking* part is really a conscious thing.......I want to do that *thing* very much, so bury the notion that there'll be consequences later.

The difference now, is that I don't whinge about the consequences or try to extract myself from them....and I think much MORE of the time about what I'm doing.....something which will never be entirely comfortable for me.

I recognise smilzz 8 words.... In a slightly different format I have similar.......*If you really think it's worth it, then go for it, my dear*.....it tends to have the effect of making nothing *worth it*.......lol.

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RE: But you did not tell me..... - 8/8/2006 5:13:47 AM

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We have two 'levels' of dynamic... the surface, fun, play one where she is quite cheeky, pokes fun, has a laugh. On this level helen has and probably will again, used that ploy, usualy ending up with two slaps across the arse rather than one... but that is banter and play nothing more.

When she crosses a line on the serious level of our dynamic and disapoints me, she wouldn't think of trying to wriggle out of it like that and if she did try then it would make a bad situation worse.

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RE: But you did not tell me..... - 8/8/2006 5:37:34 AM

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We have two 'levels' of dynamic... the surface, fun, play one where she is quite cheeky, pokes fun, has a laugh. On this level helen has and probably will again, used that ploy, usualy ending up with two slaps across the arse rather than one... but that is banter and play nothing more.

When she crosses a line on the serious level of our dynamic and disapoints me, she wouldn't think of trying to wriggle out of it like that and if she did try then it would make a bad situation worse.

That's the crux really. When there's serious issues at stake or when it's more lighthearted.

If every situation where I *did my own thing* resulted in the potential end of the relationship, then frankly, it wouldn't be worth the angst for either of us.

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RE: But you did not tell me..... - 8/8/2006 6:20:30 AM

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Oh yes, I tried this once. Didn't work out so well for me neither.
After I said, but I didn't know.... He very condecendingly told me that the one thing he didn't want was a confused submissive and that apparently, I didn't have a full grasp of the rules and expectations. He sarcastically apologized for being vague, and told me * we * would remedy this after he got home from work. In the meantime I was to write down everything I was unclear on and everything * I didn't know * and he would give me clear and concise answers to each area I was confused on.
Needless to say, I had nothing written on my paper when he got home. He gave me a little smile and said " hmm, so XXX is the only thing you didn't know ? " I admitted I was splitting hairs when I said " you didn't say " . He then told me that this was my one chance to clear up any questions, and since I didn't have any there should be no more problems.

I didn't get any actual punishment, my punishment was internal. I knew what was expected and it was the tone of his voice, telling me to write down questions and he would clear them up for me. < the conversation was much longer than I wrote above> His make believe understanding and tone of voice inferred I was not too bright and that he had not simplified enough for me to understand basic rules and that I was not capable of applying basic rules in a general sense.
I had made him one of his favorite meals that night, kinda to take the sting out of what I thought would happen. he took a few bites and asked me what I did different, that it didn't taste right and pushed his plate away and went to watch TV. That about broke my heart, I cried the whole time I was cleaning up.. but I got the point.

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RE: But you did not tell me..... - 8/8/2006 7:36:26 AM

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No, this slave hasn't and quite frankly, thoughts about how this slave could possibly try to manipulate Master haven't crossed this slave's mind ever. obedience is very important to Master...and to His slave. as a matter of fact, had this slave behaved as you did she would most likely have TWO punishments coming. one for doing what this slave "knew" she shouldn't...and another for the failed manipulation attempt

I don't know what you are talking about. Master was reading your post and he does not know either. He said said sweetheaet i know you were only playing not trying to manipulate me. It is part of out relationship of course i am obedient to him. Obviously your relationshp is different then mine.

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RE: But you did not tell me..... - 8/8/2006 7:51:25 AM

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Heyo littleone,

I'm surmising that your OP was taken in a serious context. ........lol

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RE: But you did not tell me..... - 8/8/2006 11:00:29 AM

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quoted from little pita (sorry don't know how to do the quote thing):
"I don't really get this question. I for one hate punishment and will try very hard not to get that. Of course for us punishment is very serious and has nothing to do with play.

I am with my Dom for many reasons other then service, direction and discipline. Those are valid reasons of course. But, I happen to be in love with him and I'm human. Sometimes I do something I "might" know I shouldn't. Yeah I would get in trouble by getting a warning, or maybe I would be punished depending on what I did. "

I truely was asking for information....not making a judgement. i agree that we're all human and might want to 'get our own way'. but (at least for me) there are consequences to that choice that i agreed to when i chose this role. i too love my Master and that's why i'm with HIM. but i've always thought that the role of submissive was to sublimate your wants and needs and replace them with those of your Dom/me. what i was asking for was the motivation behind trying to 'get out of the punishment'.

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RE: But you did not tell me..... - 8/8/2006 2:46:32 PM

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...I don't know what you are talking about. Master was reading your post and he does not know either...

this slave was talking about the part of your post that was highlighted in her response. the one where you get caught doing something you assumed (correctly) that you were not supposed to do and THEN went so far as to try to "get out of it"(your words) by using the excuse that you hadn't been specifically told not to.

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...Obviously your relationshp is different then mine...

that is part of the point that you said you missed. yes, obviously it is, as this slave explained in her previous response--while you and your Master see "trying to get out of discipline" as playing, in our relationship it would be seen as an attempt to usurp Master's authority by trying to manipulate the outcome of the disobedience (attepting to avoid discipline)--another thing that would be disobedient for this slave to do.

this slave never said that YOUR Master should punish you twice, or that He was wrong not to, or that your "playfulness" is really just disobedience...it isn't this slave's place to make those type of judgements---this slave was merely adding to the discussion her own take on your OP--simply put: IF this slave had behaved as you did, she would most likely get punished twice, for two seperate disobedient behaviors.

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RE: But you did not tell me..... - 8/8/2006 7:49:28 PM

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I have more of a tendency to not do things that I want to because I am not sure how to ask. I don't know that I have ever done anything that I was not given permission to do... I am also not one to attempt to get out of punishment when punishment is due.

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RE: But you did not tell me..... - 8/9/2006 7:14:42 AM

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maybemaybenot... LOL. that's hilarious, His way of handling it. but what a powerful lesson. i love it when a punishment fits a crime so well, you sit back and go "wow. Kudos Sir!"

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RE: But you did not tell me..... - 8/9/2006 11:57:52 AM

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Hi all just a Question. How many subs slaves can answer too but this is mostly for subs. Try to get out of a displine but saying somthing to their Master like "you did not tell me i could not do (insert activity here)."

Let me try to explain today Master was doing something and he stopped for a moment to look at the clock he had a meeting to go to so i continued .When he turned back and saw what i was doing he was a little surprised he asked what i was doing i knew i was in trouble ao i tried to get out of it by saying you did not tell me i could not. He said i also did not tell you that you could. Needless to say i did not get out of my displine.

Did any others ever try that line?

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Ok looking at this from MY OWN thoughts....

If I continued.. it's because no one said not to... there for.. no punishment. If punishment is tried.. then there's something wrong. If you do not want it to continue... state so.

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RE: But you did not tell me..... - 8/9/2006 11:58:36 AM

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That's insane. If he's going to punish you for doing things he didn't say you couldn't do, then he's going to have to make you a list of every single you can do. Are you allowed to brush your teeth? Are you allowed to wipe your butt with your left hand or your right? There has to be clear and logical rules and boundries. You shouldn't be punished for doing something he negelected to inform you couldn't do. And yes, that was something he negelected to do and hopefully he won't be so thoughtless in the future. A sub/slave can only obey the rules they know about.

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RE: But you did not tell me..... - 8/9/2006 2:02:32 PM

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People chill chill it was just a question he is not thoughtless we were just playing i am sorry if it did not sound thaht way. For the record it was displine not punishment. he is the best person in the world and i am so totally in love with him. The thing is i shoulf have know better he should have not have to had laid it out in black and white.

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RE: But you did not tell me..... - 8/9/2006 4:07:37 PM

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i have come across this before and now have the understanding that the Masters point of view is the important one.no matter what i may have thought about somehting.
if my behavior or actions are not what they are supposed to be,then i am corrected in the way it is to be done/thought etc.
this was a very hard lesson to learn.however in learing this i also learned if i was not cared for i would not be corrected.
correction increases the value of the slave to the Master.
now if it continually was to occur then punishment would be given.since correction of the 'right thinking/behavior' was not yet learned.

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RE: But you did not tell me..... - 8/10/2006 4:13:26 PM

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i would never use that line with my Mistress. i would be very afraid of what she would do to me if i dared to do so.

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RE: But you did not tell me..... - 8/10/2006 7:50:59 PM

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Oh i've tryed this one and many like it. i'm in law school so it kind of pops out. It is one of those bad habits i've got to stop soon before i get a real belting.

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RE: But you did not tell me..... - 8/11/2006 9:53:32 AM

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Did any others ever try that line?

Sure, because I'm human, because I'm not perfect, and sometimes, just because I'm playful.

Of course, any time I've tried this ploy, it was with something light, and very unlikely to cause real problems. It was always a situation where I judged it would make my dominant laugh, and not if I suspected he might get disappointed or angry.

And I always, always, graciously accepted the consequences of trying it. (Not that I ever expected to get away with it! ::laughing::)

Yup! This line of thought is familiar to me...i just have an ornery playful streak, and oft times i would do this just for the interplay and fun exchange involved in the matching of wit. It is not a premeditated act either, it just flows out at random times all on its own.

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RE: But you did not tell me..... - 8/11/2006 11:28:14 AM

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Personally, I'm not afraid to admit that I'm human, that I won't always obey perfectly. As far as I can tell, it's impossible to be intelligent, have a wicked sense of humour and be perfectly obediant in every single instance of your relationship.

Ah well, I've learned over the years that I prefer a dominant who enjoys my clever brain, likes having to stay sharp and outsmart me occasionally, and doesn't take this so dead serious that he can't laugh over trivial things.

Would I do this if I believed for even a moment he would be hurt, disappointed or upset over it. No.

Would I ever expect it to work? Not an ice-cubes chance in hell.

But am I going to kill myself trying for perfect obediance? Am I going to stop being playful, intelligent and strong-willed?

Not on your life. Thank goodness the dom I choose would never wish me to.

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RE: But you did not tell me..... - 8/11/2006 11:31:09 AM

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Oh i've tryed this one and many like it. i'm in law school so it kind of pops out.

LOL My last dom said one of the things he loved about me was my ability to find loopholes. He said it kept him sharp, and kept the dynamic interesting for him.

He said it was occasionally like dating a lawyer.

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