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RE: Doctors refusing to treat the obese, smokers, etc. - 8/8/2006 6:24:28 PM   
popeye1250


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Status: offline 		E-String, I didn't say the govt should "run" a healthcare program I just said we (The Taxpayers) could "Afford" to have one if we got rid of all the illegal aliens in our country and did away with all those different "foreign aid" programs.
The money would be there.
Of course I wouldn't want the govt running it! lol

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RE: Doctors refusing to treat the obese, smokers, etc. - 8/8/2006 6:24:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

This is DIRECTLY tied to Insurance Companies "Pay for Performance" models.

IF you have an overweight patient in your practice, who doesn't lose weight, they will LITERALLY cost your practice money.

So you DUMP all the patients the Insurance Comapnies don't really want serviced.

We need to fix the Insurance Companies.


All seriously contemplated P4P programs of significant insurance companies of which I am aware use risk-adjusted outcomes that take into account significant medical comorbidities such as obesity (if it is relevant, and it usually is).

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RE: Doctors refusing to treat the obese, smokers, etc. - 8/8/2006 6:31:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		as others have said the medical systom in America is majorly fecked up!

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RE: Doctors refusing to treat the obese, smokers, etc. - 8/8/2006 6:31:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

E-String, I didn't say the govt should "run" a healthcare program I just said we (The Taxpayers) could "Afford" to have one if we got rid of all the illegal aliens in our country and did away with all those different "foreign aid" programs.
The money would be there.
Of course I wouldn't want the govt running it! lol


The money would also be there if we eliminated federal funding for roads and bridges. It would be there if we printed more money, devaluing our currency. It would be there if the government produced crack cocaine and sold it at post offices. The fact that the money could be made available does not necessarily make it a good idea.

Taking one step back, the money would exist not within the government but within the healthcare system if malpractice decisions were sufficiently limited. The savings to Medicare alone could cover the uninsured. This seems like a better idea than a line of catapults along the Mexican border. And, if I've done my math right, I'm accounting for the pay-per-view rights.

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RE: Doctors refusing to treat the obese, smokers, etc. - 8/8/2006 6:33:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: enigmabrat

as others have said the medical systom in America is majorly fecked up!


And yet it is responsible for the overwhelming majority of developments in medical science and technology in the last 50 years, having lengthened life expectancy both in the United States and the rest of world more significantly than at any other period in history.

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RE: Doctors refusing to treat the obese, smokers, etc. - 8/8/2006 6:42:59 PM   
popeye1250


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Status: offline 		Strong, as for the Mexican border *landmines* would be *extremely effective* just like they are on S. Korea's border.
Funny how we can have 37,000 U.S. Troops guarding S. Korea's border for 54 years now but not be guarding our own borders.
I don't know about you but I don't have any "interests" in S. Korea.
Bush seems to think that America has "interests" in S. Korea I wish he'd tell us what those "interests" are.

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RE: Doctors refusing to treat the obese, smokers, etc. - 8/8/2006 8:15:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Estring

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

If we could just get doctors to stop treating illegal aliens and Billing the Taxpayers for it through Medicare and other programs we'd probably be able to afford socialized medicine for all U.S. Citizens like Julia said.
I'm in favor of some type of National Healthcare System for all U.S. Citizens too Julia.
If we did away with all those foreign aid programs it would be very doable financially!


I usually agree with you popeye, but why would you want to put such an important thing as healthcare in the hands of the government? They will mismanage and destroy it just as they do everything else they run.
And from wht I have heard, the Canadien health care system is nothing to write home about. For many major procedures, many Canadiens come to the US to have them done anyway. That doesn't say a lot about the worth of their system.
I do agree with the part about illegal aliens though.


When American hear the words socialized medicine, they immediately think of Canada when the model we should be looking at, that works, is France.

I find it immoral that in our country people have to choose between paying household bills, i.e. groceries, utilities, rent/mortgage, and getting medical treatment.  The very poor receive government aid.  The wealthy can afford health care.  It's the huge group in between that has this struggle.  Especially with smaller businesses cutting health insurance benefits because of the dramatically rising costs.  There was a time, may years ago, when I was newly divorced with two young ones, working for a company that didn't provide health insurance that I was in this exact predicament.  Fortunately, my doctor would bill me and allow me to make payments.  Most don't do that. 

And don't even get me started with the discrepancy between mental health insurance coverage and medical coverage....we'd be here all night.

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RE: Doctors refusing to treat the obese, smokers, etc. - 8/8/2006 9:14:30 PM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		Let's say a doctor refuses to treat me because I smoke. OK, I have no problem with it, do you know a doctor who does smoke ?

Go right ahead because you are going down. Doctors have the highest rate of heart disease of ANY profession in the US (in the 1990s). Splain that.

Check it out. Deaths by profession. That is where you'll find deisel mechanics ahead of smokers.

I will never have health insurance, but if I did I would demand that they hook me up with a doctor who agrees with me. I am the customer. I am wrong in your opinion, OK, but we are proceeding in this direction _____________________. I decide, nobody else.

Refuse to do what you do for a living fo me ? OK, just go screw yourself, you're probably so stupid to start with that you only have $40 a moth left after your $400,000 a year salary and you probably have an ARM. Prime goes up you have to sell the house or the beamer, take your pick.

If you are really stupid enough to withold services that you do for a living based on shit like this, I'll see you in the soup kitchen where you belong. You don't do that. If they can pay or have coverage and you refuse them you are the biggest fool in the profession, hands down.

What's more, if 'they' are right you make more money on smokers, just like you do on diabetics. Yes I know about that you vultures, you KNOW you can cure it easily but you don't. Yes I know all about it. Tell me now, better yet tell US now. Tell all the people why you killed their loved ones with your insulin and how they could've been cured in a month. I have known it for a few years now, one of your best kept secrtets.

I know about a few other things too, so don't get me started. If you refuse to sew my arm back on because I might use it to smoke, I will kill you with my other arm. All I need doctors for is plumbing and carpentry. When I am broken or leaking I will come. If I have a disease you will not see me, I will cure it myself. No thanks.

T

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RE: Doctors refusing to treat the obese, smokers, etc. - 8/8/2006 9:30:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: enigmabrat

...the medical system in America is majorly fecked up!


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RE: Doctors refusing to treat the obese, smokers, etc. - 8/8/2006 9:32:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Check it out. Deaths by profession. That is where you'll find deisel mechanics ahead of smokers.


I'm just glad they made smoking a profession.

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What's more, if 'they' are right you make more money on smokers, just like you do on diabetics. Yes I know about that you vultures, you KNOW you can cure it easily but you don't. Yes I know all about it. Tell me now, better yet tell US now. Tell all the people why you killed their loved ones with your insulin and how they could've been cured in a month. I have known it for a few years now, one of your best kept secrtets.


Who told you? This is worrisome. We need to find the leak and neutralize it with some "interventional cardiology" if you know what I mean. I'll bring this up at the next secret society meeting.

quote:


I know about a few other things too, so don't get me started.


Please start. Please. If they are as entertaining as this, I would desperately like to know all about the few things you know.

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RE: Doctors refusing to treat the obese, smokers, etc. - 8/8/2006 9:32:55 PM   
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The money would also be there if we eliminated federal funding for roads and bridges. .


(You're smoking the good stuff....right?)

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RE: Doctors refusing to treat the obese, smokers, etc. - 8/8/2006 9:53:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Let's say a doctor refuses to treat me because I smoke. OK, I have no problem with it, do you know a doctor who does smoke ?

Go right ahead because you are going down. Doctors have the highest rate of heart disease of ANY profession in the US (in the 1990s). Splain that.

Check it out. Deaths by profession. That is where you'll find deisel mechanics ahead of smokers.

I will never have health insurance, but if I did I would demand that they hook me up with a doctor who agrees with me. I am the customer. I am wrong in your opinion, OK, but we are proceeding in this direction _____________________. I decide, nobody else.

Refuse to do what you do for a living fo me ? OK, just go screw yourself, you're probably so stupid to start with that you only have $40 a moth left after your $400,000 a year salary and you probably have an ARM. Prime goes up you have to sell the house or the beamer, take your pick.

If you are really stupid enough to withold services that you do for a living based on shit like this, I'll see you in the soup kitchen where you belong. You don't do that. If they can pay or have coverage and you refuse them you are the biggest fool in the profession, hands down.

What's more, if 'they' are right you make more money on smokers, just like you do on diabetics. Yes I know about that you vultures, you KNOW you can cure it easily but you don't. Yes I know all about it. Tell me now, better yet tell US now. Tell all the people why you killed their loved ones with your insulin and how they could've been cured in a month. I have known it for a few years now, one of your best kept secrtets.

I know about a few other things too, so don't get me started. If you refuse to sew my arm back on because I might use it to smoke, I will kill you with my other arm. All I need doctors for is plumbing and carpentry. When I am broken or leaking I will come. If I have a disease you will not see me, I will cure it myself. No thanks.
T


Well alrighty then...  If you want to protest against doctors by avoiding health insurance or healthcare... let us hope you are one heck of a healthy individual.  Open heart surgery and prostate exams aren't so easy to do on your own.  Feel free though.

In the the bolded (by me) comments...  If your facts are correct, I could see doctors having a high level of heart trouble.  Stress is the number one killer, and is related to heart attacks, high blood pressure, etc.  Having the lives of many people in their hands, working double shifts as expected by many hospitals, etc. I would imagine would lead to more job stress than most careers.

I have worked in the medical field and found that most doctors I have known didn't smoke. But regardless of what a doctor does himself, a doctor does not have to accept any patient as their patient.  It doesn't mean every doctor will deny care for that patient, but doctors have the right to refuse to operate on someone who, in their opinion, is not a good candidate for surgery, or refuse a patient who they think they will not mesh will with his care, etc.  You certainly have no right to kill a doctor for refusing to perform any surgery on you.... though I'm guessing you didn't really mean you would.

Smokers want their freedom to smoke as they please, but don't want a doctor to be free to make his own career choices?   Smokers are not the only people on the planet with rights.  You can't pick and choose whose rights to eliminate based on how it benefits a smoking habit... or an eating/lack of exercise habit either.


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RE: Doctors refusing to treat the obese, smokers, etc. - 8/8/2006 9:54:26 PM   
Termyn8or


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Do you want that here or in cmail ? I am totally willing to write about it, quote sources, international sources. Some of them are in the US, among the most prestigious universities in this country. The EXACT cause of diabetes was found well over twenty years ago, proven fact.

Better yet, others, do you want to know this or not ? I don't care if I disseminate this publicly or in mail. The word must get out. This is the single biggest scam going on right now. Doctors are not told about it, but a few, very few, actually do figure it out.

There are three options:

1. I will mail Strong... with my evidence and links whatever.

2. I will put it here.

3. I will start another thread about it to segregate the subject for those who are interested.

Take your pick.

T

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RE: Doctors refusing to treat the obese, smokers, etc. - 8/8/2006 10:01:41 PM   
StrongButKind


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Status: offline 		I vote for a new thread -- certainly you describe something of general interest to the community, but we are drifting from the original topic. I would love to see your conclusions and your cites. Thanks for taking the time!

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RE: Doctors refusing to treat the obese, smokers, etc. - 8/8/2006 11:10:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well so many subjects to latch onto. Firstly popeye, I find it quite hilarious that you have such a problem with mexican illegals when funnily enough they probably have more of a moral right to the land than all the anglos that inhabit it. I am well aware that america is now "america" and not the place it was 400 or so years ago but it does raise certain questions about the way nationality is perceived.

 I live in australia and we have a socialised medical system here (for now anyways) Although it has many flaws and is slowly being eroded by our current conservative government, I know that at least I can get treatment both in an emergency and in other cases if I am willing to wait long enough. To be honest the thought that I could be suffering from a serious medical condition yet be dumped out on the street if it is not deemed an emergency scares the shit out of me. I used to smoke and am currently one of them extreme sports people mentioned (rock climber) and I would hate to think that either would count me out for medical treatment.

I guess it comes down to what people deem as a basic human right. 

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RE: Doctors refusing to treat the obese, smokers, etc. - 8/8/2006 11:34:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Perhaps popeye, you should also consider that while all those evil illegal immagrants are draining your system, Americans are doing the exact same thing to the Canadian system. Yes our healthcare is "free".... FOR CANADIANS. As for doctors refusing to treat the obese and the smokers etc... You have to wonder what else will fall into that category soon... Skateboarding... Dancing (lots of broken legs), Martial arts... working in a coal mine.. etc.  I suppose though, that with the massive healthcare worker shortage, a certain kind of Darwinism will kick in soon, and it will be survival of the fittest. Simply because we do not have the staff to treat the problems... Which really upsets me because of the blant idiocy thats causing it. For instance Ralph Klein ( I think) issued a $400 check this January to every Albertan who had filed his/her taxes the year before. Not 6 months later its in every newspaper in the province how dire the healthcare shortage is. Now... it occurs to me, that with Calgary alone having a population of about 1 million, thats a LOT of money that could have been poured into healthcare. Or UBC (university of british columbia) changing their entrance requirements for a Bachelors of Nursong from your basic high school crap to having AT LEAST 2 years already invested in a Bachelor of Arts, or bachelor of Science. Are you fucking kidding me? With restrictions like this on even becoming a healthcare worker, I can almost see how the doctors would have to start turning away high risk patients. We just don't have the capacity to treat every smoker that comes in with a productive cough, or every morbidly obese person who comes in with chest pains. From an emergency medicine standpoint, when it comes to a mass casualty incident (MCI) we are taught to triage. Within a hospital, unless its something like 9/11, triage means something completely different. It is essentially, sort out the people who need help from the whiners. In an MCI, we are taught to triage based on likelihood of survival. If something doesnt get sorted out with healthcare and training to be a healthcare worker soon, I think hospital triage will edge ever so slowly closer to MCI triage. And then we're all fucked.

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RE: Doctors refusing to treat the obese, smokers, etc. - 8/8/2006 11:43:16 PM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		If a smoker comes in, pack up the gunshot wound and give him a chance to call a cab to get back to the poker game in Pokey's basement.

If somebody is too fat tell them to put a corset on or something and come back..

You don't want to deal with certain things, degenerative things.

It's all in your HYPOCRITIC oath.

T

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RE: Doctors refusing to treat the obese, smokers, etc. - 8/9/2006 1:01:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe we should scrutinize the doctors lives and decide if we feel they should keep their license?
How much do they drink? Does the pediatrician have several children? Do they have any driving infractions of a dangerous type? Speeding maybe?
Are they treating too many patients to give them adequate attention?
Are they taking regular upgrading courses?
Do they have bad breath or body odor?

I think I will only accept our customers equipment for repair, if it is perfect working order.

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RE: Doctors refusing to treat the obese, smokers, etc. - 8/9/2006 5:39:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		I remmber a while back doctors refused to do a knee transplant to a over 400 pound person due to their weight. And the person got pissed and sued them.

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RE: Doctors refusing to treat the obese, smokers, etc. - 8/9/2006 6:17:15 AM   
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A pulmonologist once told me to quit smoking or not bother to come back.  I didn't bother to go back (and my new pulmonologist is a great guy who gives me good medical care and treats me in a non-judgemental way).
Exactly!  Just as private physicians can choose patients, so can patients choose private physicians.
I would never put up with a doctor who felt compelled to act like my mother or father.   Fortunately, I so rarely need one that they call me when it's time for me to show up.   M

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