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ORIGINAL: ChaoticLove
I guess it comes down to what people deem as a basic human right. 

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E-String, I didn't say the govt should "run" a healthcare program I just said we (The Taxpayers) could "Afford" to have one if we got rid of all the illegal aliens in our country and did away with all those different "foreign aid" programs.
The money would be there.
Of course I wouldn't want the govt running it! lol

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If we could just get doctors to stop treating illegal aliens and Billing the Taxpayers for it through Medicare and other programs we'd probably be able to afford socialized medicine for all U.S. Citizens like Julia said.
I'm in favor of some type of National Healthcare System for all U.S. Citizens too Julia.
If we did away with all those foreign aid programs it would be very doable financially!

I usually agree with you popeye, but why would you want to put such an important thing as healthcare in the hands of the government? They will mismanage and destroy it just as they do everything else they run.
And from wht I have heard, the Canadien health care system is nothing to write home about. For many major procedures, many Canadiens come to the US to have them done anyway. That doesn't say a lot about the worth of their system.
I do agree with the part about illegal aliens though.

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If we could just get doctors to stop treating illegal aliens and Billing the Taxpayers for it through Medicare and other programs we'd probably be able to afford socialized medicine for all U.S. Citizens like Julia said.
I'm in favor of some type of National Healthcare System for all U.S. Citizens too Julia.
If we did away with all those foreign aid programs it would be very doable financially!

I usually agree with you popeye, but why would you want to put such an important thing as healthcare in the hands of the government? They will mismanage and destroy it just as they do everything else they run.
And from wht I have heard, the Canadien health care system is nothing to write home about. For many major procedures, many Canadiens come to the US to have them done anyway. That doesn't say a lot about the worth of their system.
I do agree with the part about illegal aliens though.

As usual what you've heard is what you wish.
Our per capita costs are much lower than the US.
Our infant mortality rate is lower.
Our general level of health is better.
Our system pays for needed procedures even when done in the US. ( a smaller less dense population can't have as many full feature systems often sitting idle so it makes sense to do it that way )
Our drug costs are lower.
Interesting that you bitch about taxes, but paying excessive premiums for health insurance is fine?
Our system is not denied if you have a prior illness. Does not depend on you staying at a job, with the employer using the fear of losing benifits.
Does not change your cost or right to service based on your lifestyle.

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ORIGINAL: captiveplatypus

Uhh, yeah, I can't get health insurance because I was born with scoliosis, have one lung and one kidney.  No one will accept me.  And medicaid won't cover me because I'm not disabled and have worked.  Now that I am trying to go to school full time I cannot get any health benefits.  I think that is total crap.  Don't defend the American Healthcare System, it doesn't cover those who actually need serious health care, just the healthy that it won't cost them anything to cover.  Love that money to death, just our death.

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If any employer has denied you enrollment in their health insurance plan for these reasons since 1997, you should report them for violation of the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996. Moving forward, get a job with a company with a group health plan, and, at worst after an exclusionary period not to exceed 12 months, you are entitled to full health coverage.

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If any employer has denied you enrollment in their health insurance plan for these reasons since 1997, you should report them for violation of the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996. Moving forward, get a job with a company with a group health plan, and, at worst after an exclusionary period not to exceed 12 months, you are entitled to full health coverage.

It's 18 months in Ohio, but it may not be the same everywhere.

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Uhh, yeah, I can't get health insurance because I was born with scoliosis, have one lung and one kidney.  No one will accept me.  And medicaid won't cover me because I'm not disabled and have worked.  Now that I am trying to go to school full time I cannot get any health benefits.  I think that is total crap.  Don't defend the American Healthcare System, it doesn't cover those who actually need serious health care, just the healthy that it won't cost them anything to cover.  Love that money to death, just our death.

If any employer has denied you enrollment in their health insurance plan for these reasons since 1997, you should report them for violation of the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996. Moving forward, get a job with a company with a group health plan, and, at worst after an exclusionary period not to exceed 12 months, you are entitled to full health coverage.

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Uhh, yeah, I can't get health insurance because I was born with scoliosis, have one lung and one kidney.  No one will accept me.  And medicaid won't cover me because I'm not disabled and have worked.  Now that I am trying to go to school full time I cannot get any health benefits.  I think that is total crap.  Don't defend the American Healthcare System, it doesn't cover those who actually need serious health care, just the healthy that it won't cost them anything to cover.  Love that money to death, just our death.

If any employer has denied you enrollment in their health insurance plan for these reasons since 1997, you should report them for violation of the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996. Moving forward, get a job with a company with a group health plan, and, at worst after an exclusionary period not to exceed 12 months, you are entitled to full health coverage.

yes I know, but currently I am trying to go back to college full time.

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ORIGINAL: captiveplatypus

I was going to do Cobra through my previous employment, but there was no way I could afford $400 a month for health insurance, not a chance in hell. :(

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ORIGINAL: MistressLorelei

If you go without health insurance in the US for over 60 days, you  are no longer protected under the HIPAA.... so don't get a disease or  become chronically ill if that's the case, because you will  be hard-pressed to ever get insurance again.

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I was going to do Cobra through my previous employment, but there was no way I could afford $400 a month for health insurance, not a chance in hell. :(

Yes, it's crazy.  $400 - $500 a month if you have just one kid... and typically over $200 if you are single.  I believe 18 months is the norm for Cobra if you quit or are terminated, and 36 months in death of a spouse or divorce.

If you go without health insurance in the US for over 60 days, you  are no longer protected under the HIPAA.... so  someone who becomes chronically ill after the 60 days will  be hard-pressed to ever get health insurance again.

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Many diagnosed with a serious illness may not be able to work a full-time job, thus gaining access to group health.

Perhaps my wording was cloudy...  Msn Know your COBRA rights explains it better:

"Let's say a 27-year-old woman loses her job, but decides not to elect COBRA. Sixty-four days pass and she's still uninsured and jobless. A doctor diagnoses cancer. Now she has a pre-existing condition and her 60-day time limit for electing COBRA has expired. It's also been more than 63 days since she's had continuous group health insurance. No individual insurer will issue her a policy that will cover her cancer treatment, if she can get individual health insurance at all. If she does find a job that offers her health insurance, she may have to sit out a waiting period of up to 12 months before that plan will cover any cancer treatment"


This was the way things were explained to me when I had to consider COBRA after a divorce.