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What to do when protocol is breached by another Master... - 8/8/2006 9:09:29 PM   
DsCoupleOhio


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Here is my problem...
Normally I know what to do..but this one blew me out of the water...
 
Within the last month I have had two people come to visit our Home and stay with us on two seperate occations. I will call them Dick and Jane. Dick is Janes new Master. Jane is a beloved friend and under My care at times. On the first visit, I had not yet aquired my new girl (usagi) but still had my boi. we'll call him tanuki.
This first meeting lead to the boi and Dick "playing" with each other and thus my boi helped Dick emerge from being bi-currious to physically experinced. It was a great weekend for all. Protocol was followed and all had a good time. No boundaries were broken nor were any feet stepped on.
 
By the second visit, two weeks later, I aquired usagi. (my girl) We have been training her on light protocol and what we expect arround the house for she is the one that will be my hands when I go through surgery. Jane has always been a dear friend since we have met and Dick had given me no reason not to trust him. So we opened the invitation for them to come visit again. They did. Durring this visit, Dick made unbelieveable breaches in protocol.
 
While my boi was offered to him once again, he kept his eyes on my girl. Me being in the kitchen with Jane the whole time baking and cooking, I did not see this until later when my boi disappeared and I went looking for him. He then informed me that Dick wanted my girl. I was prepared to have a scene and see where things went.
We all decided to take a dip in the pool after dinner and things began to get frisky. I made it clear that I had not yet even played with my girl and to be gentile with the playing. Dick seemed to understand that and backed away going back to Jane who was obviously offended by his actions. But being the submissive did not say anything to him. Once inside, we watched a movie and all mentioned they were tired. The Master of our clan and I went to bed telling usagi and tanuki to get some rest soon. Jane mentioned she was going to bed as well and Dick said he would be in after the movie. All was well.
 
It wasnt till the next day that I found out he lied to Jane and took advantage of my girl. Not only did he not ask to play with her, he did not ask to attempt hypnosis on her. Without details, He attempted hypnosis, set triggers without my consent, had sex with her and then lied to me and Jane about what all happened the night before. My girl told me the truth about all that happened. Needless to say when I confronted him about it I didnt know Jane didnt know and that caused a HUGE mess. Rather than see WW3 in my livingroom I smoothed things over and made peace with Jane and usagi for my girl was told Jane was okay with it. Hence he lied to her as well.
 
My question is... What is the proper protocol at this point. They have been gone since sunday and I have been stewing on everything. I unfortunately cannot touch my girl without thinking about what this creep did to her and took from me. It has caused mistrust and hard feelings within the clan and I am afraid I dont know how to handle Dick in this case without loosing my dear friend Jane...
 
I am hoping maybe someone will know what the proper thing to make this right is...
 
Thank You All in advance...
 
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RE: What to do when protocol is breached by another Mas... - 8/8/2006 9:44:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		First impressions... Jane needs to dumb Dick, you need to dump usagi, tanuki needs to not be such a tell tat, and Jane needs to realise loving someone is not meant to be painful ...

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RE: What to do when protocol is breached by another Mas... - 8/8/2006 10:12:21 PM   
FelinePersuasion


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Status: offline 		And just why should the sub who wa splayed with with out permission be dumped.

yeah she allowed it to happen you could say, but there is certaintly extenuating circumstances, and does not warrent kicking your new girl to the curb.

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First impressions... Jane needs to dumb Dick, you need to dump usagi, tanuki needs to not be such a tell tat, and Jane needs to realise loving someone is not meant to be painful ...

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RE: What to do when protocol is breached by another Mas... - 8/8/2006 10:31:28 PM   
Owned1


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Status: offline 		My thoughts are put your own house in order first.  Do whatever you need to do to ensure this does not happen again and speak openly with both your girl and boi.  Make the rules clear and their responsiblities as yours clear.  In regard to Jane, my suggestion is to speak with her and she will then need to make her own decision.  As her friend you can support her in her decision whether it be to be there now if she asks for release or later when she asks for release.  However under no circumstances would I permit Dick back in my home or near my clan.

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RE: What to do when protocol is breached by another Mas... - 8/8/2006 11:25:48 PM   
Emperor1956


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Status: offline 		You and your Master failed miserably in one of the fundamental obligations you have to owned property:  the obligation to keep them safe from harm.  If I understand your hyperdramatic, convoluted tale, you basically invited a new submissive in to your home to be raped.  She has been violated and frankly you are responsible for some serious legal and ethical damage to this girl.

Yes I'm angry when I read this sort of post.  If it is true (and it may well be an over emotive troll, but I don't think so) then you have allowed -- and perhaps caused -- a great deal of damage because you and yours are apparently unable to judge character and control your gonads.  You need to clean up your act, in every sense of the word.  I wouldn't worry about "protocol" or your supposed harem.  I'd reevaluate whether you and your Master are competent enough to play the games you play.  And I'd beg forgiveness from the girl you so badly damaged.

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RE: What to do when protocol is breached by another Mas... - 8/8/2006 11:38:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know if I'd be as harsh as the above... But I do think you need to worry about healing the wounds in your own house before worrying about what you do to Dick.  Definaly if usagi was raped you need to make sure she is ok, and not at a point she is going to do something stupid...from my read of your post though I do not feel that you were saying she was raped, but rather that play occured between her and Dick that you did not approve of, and were not asked about...and that Dick got what he wanted through lies and questionable means... In which case you're going to have some trust building to do with usagi (isn't that Salor Moon's name in the Manga?), and  your boy, but it won't hopefully be as charged as it would be if this is rape...

Anyways after you've got the healing handled at home, I'd make it very clear to Jane that you do not agree with what happened, and that Dick is not allowed your slaves, and I would probably tell some people about this who realisticly would have interaction with him in your community, I think this is really obviously a step you need to take if rape was involved.  If it as rape I would also consider legal action, rapiests rarely do shit like this just once.

I'm guessing you had no idea that Jane was with such a...unsavory person based on prior friendship with her, and haddn't considered him to be capable of this due to your trust in her to find a good partner...

I hope this helps.

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RE: What to do when protocol is breached by another Mas... - 8/8/2006 11:40:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		I Would Suggest Having Your House, Your slaves In Order and Trained Before Having Guests. I Would Also Suggest Never Having "Dick" At Your House Again.

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RE: What to do when protocol is breached by another Mas... - 8/8/2006 11:45:51 PM   
enigmabrat


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Status: offline 		Ok first off they are ALL adults and there for the sub enev if she may have been taken advantage of is still an adult and was playing with this Dom without permition and there for as almost as much fault in this as the Dom they were both wrong even if she thought Jane knew she didnt have her owners permition how can an owner keep their property safe if that property goes out and does things she isnt supposed to. It isnt all on the Doms head even if he lied about Jane beeing ok with it that fact that he over steped while playing is a seperate situation for that wouldnt have happend if she hadnt agreed to play if she didnt want to all she needed to do was go get her Master or mistress who were both under the same roof... she consented and there for it is not rape!

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RE: What to do when protocol is breached by another Mas... - 8/8/2006 11:48:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Definitely do not allow that 'man' in your house again.  I would also talk with your girl about why she did not come to you to ask permission - if he said that he had your permission, then she should have confirmed this (especially if you really did warn them to tone down the activity in the pool).  Given what I understand about the situation, I would dump the girl as well as let the guy know he wasn't welcome anymore.  Make sure that your friend knows that she is still welcome, and that you did not encourage his fooling around with your girl at all.

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RE: What to do when protocol is breached by another Mas... - 8/9/2006 12:03:19 AM   
Emperor1956


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Status: offline 		Am I too harsh to call it rape?  Perhaps.  Here's my thinking:  I read the OP to say that this girl was (1) new to the House, and possibly new to slavery, (2) OWNED property, not a submissive, not on trial, not on a "day contract" but an owned slave, and (3) that she was suborned with "hypnotism" (don't get Me started), deception, and possibly isolation.  Now, when sex occurs in those circumstances, is it volitional?  Yes, we need more information, but right now, I don't see how Enigma and forment can say this girl "consented".  Until I'm advised otherwise, I call it rape.

If you don't like that description, I still think all of us can agree that there is a fundamental problem here.  Yes?   We disagree, perhaps, on focus.  My focus is on the House and the supposed Mistress and Master who "set up" this problem.  I don't blame the girl (although Enigma is right that she is an adult...but she has supposedly surrendered herself into a slave system, yes?  And with that surrender comes a surrender of volition.)  I blame Dick, but NOT ONLY Dick.  My problem with this story is that I see the OP focusing on this bad guy, and not stepping up to the responsibility she has for setting the bad actions in motion.  If I am wrong -- if the OP and her Master take full responsibility for what happened and realize that the events they staged and set in motion resulted in some serious damage -- then I withdraw my comments.  But I don't see that acceptance of responsibility.

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RE: What to do when protocol is breached by another Mas... - 8/9/2006 12:14:08 AM   
GoddessDustyGold


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Status: offline 		You made a big mistake.  And, although I seldom disagree with Jasmyn, unless I am missing something in this saga, I have the definite impression that you may have inadvertently led usagi to believe that you were okay with her being used by Dick.

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He then informed me that Dick wanted my girl. I was prepared to have a scene and see where things went.
We all decided to take a dip in the pool after dinner and things began to get frisky. I made it clear that I had not yet even played with my girl and to be gentile with the playing.
 
Perhaps she was only trying to be what she thought was obedient, and felt caught between a rock and a hard place.  No pun intended.
You only acquired this girl within the 2 weeks since Dick and Jane's last visit?  Sounds to Me like she was pretty new to your household, and I have to wonder how new she might have been to the whole lifestyle/protocol thing.
You do have a major mess on your hands. You are responsible for that girl, and you need to take that responsibility.  If Jane is not a good enough friend to stand by you, in spite of her own D/s relationship, then do you really need a friend like that?  After all, it was her Dom who screwed around behind her back, and I am assuming,  their personal agreement.  But it was you who went to bed without seeing to the safety of your own.
Good luck! 
 


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RE: What to do when protocol is breached by another Mas... - 8/9/2006 12:20:29 AM   
Calandra


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Status: offline 		I'm not sure if you noticed that the OP mentioned Dick tried hypnosis....?
 
When a subject is under hypnosis, they ARE NOT responsible for their actions. I've seen hypnosis used as a way to help someone break through barriers in a healthy, consensual way, but if someone is skilled at it, you can often be hypnotized without even being aware of it.
 
To the OP: My contract states that if I allow anyone to have usage of my slaves, that I must explain limits and specific details pertinant to my slaves' well-being. Should the Dominant breach the contract, "I" am responsible and the slave can announce that the contract is null and void. I take their health and well-being seriously and do not allow someone usage of them on the first few meetings, if ever.

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RE: What to do when protocol is breached by another Mas... - 8/9/2006 12:23:05 AM   
enigmabrat


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Status: offline 		Empororer you cant hypnosties a person without their consent!

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RE: What to do when protocol is breached by another Mas... - 8/9/2006 12:26:19 AM   
enigmabrat


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Status: offline 		OK what I am saying is weather or not the sex was consentual she had to consent to beeing hypnotised and in that she was breaking the trust of her Master and mistress int that she3 as playing with9ut permition Im just saying she was wrong to not just the dom

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RE: What to do when protocol is breached by another Mas... - 8/9/2006 12:27:20 AM   
Calandra


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Status: offline 		Yes Enigma, you can... It doesn't happen often, because skilled hypnotists are rare, however all you need is to capture someone's focus while using a light or rhythm in specific ways, and they become very open to suggestion.
 
Once someone is open to suggestion, they often seem slow and disoriented. Unfortunately, a person who is used without consent in this way often doesn't realize and they feel guilty and victimized at the same time.... making for a difficult situation.

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RE: What to do when protocol is breached by another Mas... - 8/9/2006 12:30:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		I some how doubt Dick hypnotised her without her consent though we dont know all the details the OP didnt sound to me as if thempoorl lil subbie was a complete victom damn we are all adults  put responsability were it belongs there for the sub is also responsable

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RE: What to do when protocol is breached by another Mas... - 8/9/2006 12:31:06 AM   
Calandra


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Status: offline 		And... not all hypnosis is scene... the girl may have commented that she was getting a headache, or some other stress based malady and Dick might have "offered to help" with plans to take advantage...
 
I'm not saying this DID happen this way - Only that to blame the girl when there was the possibility of hypnosis, and when she may have been very new and unaware of what her rights actually were, is wrong. 

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RE: What to do when protocol is breached by another Mas... - 8/9/2006 12:38:33 AM   
enigmabrat


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Status: offline 		Im not blaiming the girl just saying some of the blame is on her... we need more facts

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RE: What to do when protocol is breached by another Mas... - 8/9/2006 12:39:46 AM   
Calandra


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Status: offline 		Enigma... I simply don't see a reason to "blame" the girl yet... we do know that there were not one, not two, but THREE Dominant people in that house that night...
 
Dick, if he had any honor would never have acted the way he did...
The OP as the Mistress acted perhaps a bit naive and should have been more alert.
The Master of the house/clan should have been alert to the presence of a new one in training AND a new "friend" (Dick) and should also have been diligent.
 
If the girl's Mistress and Master had sent her to bed at the same time THEY went, or if the boy had been empowered to speak up to Dick (or go get Mistress out of bed) when inappropriateness began, things might have turned out differently...
 
The girl might be at fault... if so, I say pitch her ass out the door too... but I don't ASSUME she's at fault, given the details that were provided...
 
The one word "hypnosis" introduces possible doubt about whether the girl was at fault... But Dick, and to some extent the OP and her Master of the clan were DEFINITELY at fault...

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RE: What to do when protocol is breached by another Mas... - 8/9/2006 12:41:53 AM   
enigmabrat


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Status: offline 		ahh but you seem to want to blame everyone but the girl who is still an adult not a child

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