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RE: One Dom Gone Over Breathplay - 8/11/2006 8:27:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Heather, agreed. This is just too dangerous to engage in.

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RE: One Dom Gone Over Breathplay - 8/11/2006 10:45:13 AM   
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If you kill her how can you "keep her alive".  Killing someone is really the exact opposite of keeping them alive, isn't it?


Well technically when you but someone under anesthetics they are essentially dead and are being kept alive by machines. I think what was meant with that comment was keeping the brain viable.

If you can keep blood and oxygen moving through the body then when a paramedic arrives the probability of reviving the subject is that much higher.

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RE: One Dom Gone Over Breathplay - 8/11/2006 11:30:22 AM   
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The story has raised great educational debate on bp preparedness, but it sounds like the end result (prison sentence) was inevitiable regardless of bp.


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RE: One Dom Gone Over Breathplay - 8/11/2006 7:17:19 PM   
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Well technically when you but someone under anesthetics they are essentially dead and are being kept alive by machines. I think what was meant with that comment was keeping the brain viable.

Akisha, I do not know where you got this information, but they most certainly are not "essentially dead" and being kept alive by machines. They are paralyzed and sedated.


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RE: One Dom Gone Over Breathplay - 8/11/2006 8:06:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		This has been an interesting thread... but I think most need to consider what exactly is breath play in the first place.  I have been doing breath play for sometime.  However, the nature of the breath play I do is very minor compared to what the extreme that some people go to.  One needs to consider what kind of restriction one is doing... are we talk complete removal of air.. or are you talking restriction.  Are we talking a restriction/removal of seconds are are you talking minutes.  Are playing to the point of passout/faint... are you playing to see how far you can go?  or do you have defined conditions of engagement.  Are you doing in situations that increase anxiety levels or are you approaching it in moments when things are calm peaceful state.  Are aware of your and the bottom's body's vital signs and note changes. 

I personaly will not play to a point of passout.  I restrict but I don't remove the ability to breath.  I am play in intense situations... but the restriction is seconds as compared to many seconds in a calm situation.  It for me is a play to obtain a mental/emotional awareness or state for the bottom and not a physical state or to improve orgasmic pleasures.

Will all the scare tactics stop me from doing the type of breath play I do.. Not a chance.  However,  the science and knowledge keeps me aware of the risks and where the probablity of the risks of occuring become significant.  I know my line.  This is a type of play that you find the line that is acceptable to you and do not push.  This is not about restricting for longer next time... because you didn't get the effect you wanted.  You don't do it longer because the person isn't reacting the way you want.  This play is also not for the faint of heart or the foolish.



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RE: One Dom Gone Over Breathplay - 8/11/2006 8:16:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here is my personal experience with breath play.  It (for me) depends on how (as Knight said) it is applied.  The former could walk up behind me put his arm around my neck, squeezing just right... boom i'm out.  Other times, he would be behind me and 'choke' me... (i.e. restrict air, not cut it off entirely)... those are the times i would tend to freak out and panic... because i could breath and knew what was going on..  the times where i passed out... it literally happened so fast, i had zero time to panic... i just would faint... only for a few seconds... NEVER for minutes... and he would wake me in various ways... spitting in my face to punching me... i'm still around (luckily) to tell the tale.  He is the ONLY one i ever did this to me and i would not do it with anyone else.  That means, for me, i will probably never experience it again.

i didn't realize it was dangerous (just i trusted him that much)... i never questioned.  However, as i said i will probably never trust someone that much again. 

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RE: One Dom Gone Over Breathplay - 8/12/2006 12:43:11 AM   
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i never will understand why in this lifestlye we live in and things we do , why some of us wish to be place to near death? this is not just a beating that leaves on fainting or even SCAT but to take away the air in your brain and not know if you will wake up death or dripple being wipe from you mouth by a family member who is taking care of you after you have play this damn silly game. and the doms answer this why do you do this to someone who would only do it becase you demand it from this. if you care for this person and value them do not put them in danger. i will never ever do this to anyone slave i own if they ask me to i would drop them.
 
it is do dangerous and can lead to death drain damage for life. there are so many other things to bring a edge to our lifestyles but breathe play is not one
 
mons i am so sorry that man and woman had to go through that

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RE: One Dom Gone Over Breathplay - 8/12/2006 1:09:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		I would never engage in it, it is too extreme and unsafe. The closest I have got was holding my hand over my subs mouth in forced subduction role play. I made sure not to cover her nose so she could breathe. I did not cover her mouth for long periods of time either.

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RE: One Dom Gone Over Breathplay - 8/12/2006 4:45:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Breath Play is extremely dangerous to both parties involved. The bottom does lose brain cells each time and while it is one of those ultimate tests of complete and absolute trust and confidence that the top does have the necessary knowledge, experience, and control to know just how far to go, it also begs the question.... how many people expirement with breath play without a clue re the dangers involved, and where does the 'safety' and 'sanity' come into play re breath play?

If the adventure of breath play becomes more and more exciting with each time stretching the limits just by a little bit more, then the risks of eventually going too far become a stark reality. This has been found true in many cases of autoasphyxiation, whereby the subject eventually goes too far and fails to return. I have been unfortunate enough to have come across a few of these cases, personally, in the past and the aftermath investigation and reporting is not much fun.

If the top, on the other hand, goes just that little bit extra one time (all it takes is once), then even though it may be consentual, the top (under the doctrine of 'reasonable man') is legally expected to understand the possible consequences and in so doing, cannot have any legal claim of justifiability. At best, it then becomes a manslaughter, and most likely a voluntary manslaughter. Then again, a skilled and knowledgeable prosecutor would probably not have too much difficulty in convincing a jury on a murder charge in a case of breath play whereby the bottom ends up dying as a result.

For me, that's too risky either way...the risk of being charged and convicted for murder or manslaughter.

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RE: One Dom Gone Over Breathplay - 8/12/2006 5:05:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Homestead

How sad.

I hope it was worth it, for more intense orgasms.


This is where my thought process was going as well.  One person dead and another possibly facing the rest of his life in a cage.  And for what?  For freedom? For human rights? To save someone drowning in a river? Nope. For a thrill.  Its simply not worth it, not to me, anyway.

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RE: One Dom Gone Over Breathplay - 8/12/2006 5:59:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		This has been a very interesting topic. I have engaged in breath play in the past and thoroughly enjoyed it. I don't believe this will change my level of participation. However, the additional knowledge is most welcome and keeps me aware of the risks associated with the act.

Having said this, in the end the decision rests in the hands of those involved. To outsiders many of our practices can be perceived as dangerous or deadly even. The tools we utilize for pleasure can inflict severe harm if wielded by the wrong hands. This is not to mention the mental scarring that can and does occur by those that are ill equipped to master or submit in the ways they believe. Wherever you may fall on this issue, it is my sincerest hope that you come away from it unharmed.

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RE: One Dom Gone Over Breathplay - 8/12/2006 6:10:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks Lady Julie Ann, reading the article answers a lot of questions i had about this.


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ORIGINAL: LadyJulieAnn

Just for the record...

If this is the case that OP was describing, he was never identified as a "Dom".  An article about the case can be found here:

http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=RTD/MGArticle/RTD_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1149189894049

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RE: One Dom Gone Over Breathplay - 8/12/2006 6:30:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		The aspyxiated does NOT lose brain cells each time they are rendered unconscious. This is just a common myth. The same goes for losing brain cells every time you drink alcohol, but that is a different story.
 
When someone aspyxiates, the brain, sensitive organ that it is, shuts down first in an effort to conserve energy and avoid damage. This is the state of unconsciousness. It varies from person to person, but on average 2 minutes past this point the brainstem shuts down, and with it the heart. This is of course assuming that the aspyxiating agent is still operative. Continue to aspyxiate for another 2 minutes and brain death is pretty much inevitable. CPR is useless at this point because the brain cells have begun to die and will continue to for the next 3 minutes.
 
Depending on where pressure is applied, unconsciousness can occur anywhere from 10 seconds ( pressure to the carotids ) to a minute and a half ( general constriction, say with a scarf or choke chain ). This allows at least a 2 minute window between unconsciousness and cell death.
 
This however doesn't make breath play entirely safe. It takes surprisingly little pressure to crush a larynx. Then again, if you aren't paying attention and fail to notice when the person lapses into unconsciousness.... Yeah, good luck explaining it to the police when they arrive.

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RE: One Dom Gone Over Breathplay - 8/12/2006 8:04:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: justheather


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ORIGINAL: akisha
Well technically when you but someone under anesthetics they are essentially dead and are being kept alive by machines. I think what was meant with that comment was keeping the brain viable.

Akisha, I do not know where you got this information, but they most certainly are not "essentially dead" and being kept alive by machines. They are paralyzed and sedated.



Not to get off on an aside, but, of course Heather is right here. However, technically, during cardiopulmonary bypass where the heart and lungs are stopped for hours you could say the patient is dead. You could debate the brain is not dead, though.

I will only do very limited play with pressure around the neck because it is dangerous and the heart can fibrillate entirely too easily. Under the best of circumstances, with all the equipment Heather mentioned, and in the emergency room, patients often don't come out of ventricular fibrillation.

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RE: One Dom Gone Over Breathplay - 8/12/2006 8:25:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ummm, patients under anesthesia are not ' basically dead '. They are kept unconscious, as in a drug induced sleep. The anesthesiologist, or most usually the anesthetist, monitors their vital signs and looks for indications of their returning to consciousness prematurely. Accidental suffocation due to misplacement of the indotrach tube is by far the most common cause of death during surgery. Anesthetic overdose causing respiratory  or coronary failure is also a killer, as is simple failure to monitor blood loss. There have even been cases of an anesthetist mistakenly using nitrus instead of oxygen that was the cause of death. Failure to revive the patient from a semi-dead state is not a normal cause of death in post op or the OR.

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RE: One Dom Gone Over Breathplay - 8/12/2006 8:33:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		Quoted from article:
An autopsy determined last month that Behl's death was a homicide. But because her body was so badly decomposed, medical examiners were unable to conclude how she was killed.

How does anyone know her death was related to breath play? He also may have said it was a consentual sex act to to ease up on his sentence.

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RE: One Dom Gone Over Breathplay - 8/12/2006 8:35:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Breath play is an absolute hard limit for Me.  I had an unfortunate experience of someone attempting to choke Me nonconsensually and it was an absolutely terrifying experience.  I was very lucky that I was able to fight him off and flee.
 
Several subs I have played with have been very eager to have Me do breath play with them, but the answer is always a resounding no.  Even thinking about it brings up highly unpleasant memories.  I couldn't imagine doing it to anyone else.
 
I am very sad to hear of a young woman needlessly losing her life this way.
 
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RE: One Dom Gone Over Breathplay - 8/12/2006 11:36:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have cared for people in my nursing career with oxygen deprivation injuries, people who have been resussed, but come back not whole.
And still i do it, to some extent.
But softly softly. Breathing restriction. Ive feinted once, im not keen on feignting, its more the thought of what he is doing. Thankfully, i dont need to take the huge risk to get where i need to go.
To hear of someones plight that the op cited, is always such a sad thing to read.
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RE: One Dom Gone Over Breathplay - 4/29/2009 6:39:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		 Yes, breathplay is a very dangerous kind of playing... and like always it is a question of how to do you play it...
 if you hold on your breath without any tools - close your mouth and nose - you will feel your burning lungs and it takes (much more than 1 minute) time until you pass out - if you will.
if you hold on your breath with a kind of hanging, you will close the blood transfer to your brain - and therefor you block also the air transfer to your brain... this is the kind you can pass out without any signs...
For the hardcore breathplayers: if you pull a plastic bag over your slaves head, she or he will give you a clear sign - like shaking arms and legs - when she or he runs out of air.
 This is the time you should open the bag and release she or he.


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RE: One Dom Gone Over Breathplay - 4/29/2009 3:41:31 PM   
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I admit to liking breath play. I love the feel of his hand around my throat tightening and restricting my breathing. I love when he kisses me and sucks the air out of me. Having said that I do acknowledge the dangers and agree that we probably shouldn't do it. I have never been close to blacking out nor have we done breath play for any length of time. But, you all are right that the what ifs aren't really worth a few minutes of excitement.


There's a big difference between "Breath Play" and "asphyxiation". Between messing with somebody's breathing and not letting them breath.

I don't have a problem with playing around with somebody's breathing, but completely shutting them off from air for prolonged time period. If it's longer than what somebody can hold their own breath for, I don't do it.

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