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RE: I am going to strangle My dog :( - 8/10/2006 1:38:59 PM

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I would recommend all of the above. It looks like we have quite a few dog savvy folks in the forum. Crate training and clicker training are excellent methods for teaching your young ball of fire what you (his Alpha) consider right and wrong. A good obedience training course couldn't hurt, either. Especially if you have no clue about how to train your dog yourself.

I wouldn't just hand him off, though. Go ahead and educate yourself on the processes involved in training a puppy. It'll be good for all three of you.

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RE: I am going to strangle My dog :( - 8/10/2006 1:44:32 PM

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Slight change to that.

Human training, followed by crate training.

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RE: I am going to strangle My dog :( - 8/10/2006 1:55:52 PM

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The SPCA will not take your dog away for not properly training it and following through with training.

It's also not considered not taking good care of it not to train it properly. The SPCA would laugh at you if you said tey should take the dog cause a human isn't consistant on training issues.

They only have rights to take it away if you're hitting it, kicking it other abuseive handling, not feeding it not watering it not taking its medical needs seriously, or if you're overall dangerous to your dog.

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and I am sure if you called the SPCA they would fully agree with you (and possibly even threaten her to legally take the dog from her if she cannot handle the responsability of owning one :) ).

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RE: I am going to strangle My dog :( - 8/10/2006 2:26:34 PM

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Matthew Margolis is a great dog trainer.

I would second the recommendation for Matt Margolis. Some other ideas:

- Dogs have emotions, and may get pissed off if abandoned or ignored. They may act up if angry, or simply to get attention from their master, much as many children will with their parent.
- Dogs are intelligent, and need mental stimulation to avoid neurotic behavior (the same has been found for people)
- Dogs, especially puppies, have piles of energy, and need to get rid of that somehow!
- Dogs instinctively chew on things
- Dogs have their own language, which does not involve words - it's principally body language (eg, ear attitude, tail attitude, fur, lip, etc)

So...
- Try to stimulate the dog mentally with toys and with walks outdoors
- Try to exercise the dog to exhaustion
- Try to give them something they *can* chew on as a substitute for the things you don't want chewed
- If trying to communicate with the dog, don't expect them to interpret a lot of words. Much better is to use hand signals (your body language, even if you can't master theirs), coupled with tone of voice. To the extent that you use command words, keep them few, and very distinct in sound from one another.

In addition to Matt Margolis, if you like fairly academic books, get "How to Speak Dog", by Stanley Coren. Another knowlegeable author that is between Margolis and Coren (she has considerable academic training, but her work is very applied) is Patricia McConnell.

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RE: I am going to strangle My dog :( - 8/10/2006 2:39:28 PM

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oh yessss, chew toys! I am going thru about $20 of rawhides a week right now with a youngster I adopted in May. It's quite a bit to spend but less than repairing the leather sofa when she gets bored during the day. No, I do not crate my dogs but they are already potty trained and that would be my biggest concern. Our house is pretty oriented to having dogs in it. Shoes, clothes, etc automatically get put where a bored dog cannot get to them. Exercise really is key. Most dog pets do not get nearly enough of it. I might also suggest given the breed mixture of your dog that the socialization of an obedience class would be very beneficial.

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RE: I am going to strangle My dog :( - 8/10/2006 2:50:04 PM

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oh yessss, chew toys! I am going thru about $20 of rawhides a week right now with a youngster I adopted in May.

Rawhides were what I used on my German Shepherd too - for the big adult dawgs, the tighter and more dense they are, the longer they last. RC Steele (now Petsmart) had big bulk rawhide boxes that made them more affordable.

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Exercise really is key. Most dog pets do not get nearly enough of it.

Agreed - that is supposed to be the #1 cause of behavioral problems. Exercise walks: (a) vent energy and frustrations (b) provide mental stimulation with a new and changing environment, instead of staring at the walls all day (c) cements a bond between dog and master

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RE: I am going to strangle My dog :( - 8/10/2006 3:41:57 PM

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Really good advice on this thread, to which I will add this: Be PATIENT with the dog, and with yourself.

I adopted my rescued rottweiler at the age of 2 in January. She had spent most of her life in a crate, was not housebroken; and in the first week had destroyed my favorite shoes, chewed through my phone cord (twice!) and the cord to my humidifier and my alarm clock. Six months later, she still spends 3 days a week in the crate while I'm at work (with the $40 bed she tore up the first day I gave it to her), but when she's out, she's really very good. It took only a week to housebreak her, and now she knows my routine so well that Monday through Wednesday after I've dressed for work and put her outside, when I bring her back in she goes straight to "her room" without my even having to tell her. Of course, we still go through about $20 a week in chewies, but that's a whole lot better than having her eating my cats, which she was wont to do when I got her.

You can do this. Boxers and mastiffs are both very intelligent, loyal breeds. Be firm, be loving, and be patient, and your pup will learn.

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RE: I am going to strangle My dog :( - 8/10/2006 6:22:15 PM

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SirKenin contact me on the other side my mom is a dog breader/trainer maybe we can help

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RE: I am going to strangle My dog :( - 8/10/2006 6:24:09 PM

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oh yessss, chew toys! I am going thru about $20 of rawhides a week right now with a youngster I adopted in May. It's quite a bit to spend but less than repairing the leather sofa when she gets bored during the day. No, I do not crate my dogs but they are already potty trained and that would be my biggest concern. Our house is pretty oriented to having dogs in it. Shoes, clothes, etc automatically get put where a bored dog cannot get to them. Exercise really is key. Most dog pets do not get nearly enough of it. I might also suggest given the breed mixture of your dog that the socialization of an obedience class would be very beneficial.

NOOO please dont use rawhide it can splinter off and cause punktures in the intestines

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RE: I am going to strangle My dog :( - 8/10/2006 6:32:05 PM

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Also do not give them rope pull toys, they can rip string off and injest it and it can wrap about their insides

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RE: I am going to strangle My dog :( - 8/10/2006 6:55:14 PM

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SK:
You have gotten good advice from everyone. I'm with MHOO, there are no bad dogs, just badly trained dogs.

I had a Boxer once, they are very smart and learn quickly. Full of energy and they need alot of attention. I crate trained as most everyone has suggested. I also put marbles in a tin can, and when he did something he shouldn't, I rattled it loudly and yelled a firm NO. After a while he knew NO, and I didn't need the loud noise of the marbles.

Yes, you are right, Boxers do have bad stomachs and also prone to cancers. I mixed two teaspoons of Pepto Bismol in his food each day, to help his digestion and vomitting issues at the suggestion of my Vet, which worked very well. Do not do this before seeing your vet, as I started this when he was an adult and do not know what a puppy can take.

I hope you contact a few of the doggie specialists that posted, I bet he will be a very good dog once he is trained properly. They are a huge reponsibility and training them from the get go will reward you 100 times over.
Good Luck.
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RE: I am going to strangle My dog :( - 8/10/2006 7:09:42 PM

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I am digesting all the ideas presented to Me. I have been passing them along to My wife as well. The trouble is aligning her with the strategy so that we are both on the same page. It strikes Me that consistency is key.

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RE: I am going to strangle My dog :( - 8/10/2006 7:14:04 PM

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ORIGINAL: stef

Slight change to that.

Human training, followed by crate training.

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Very true. I'm so glad I did the training.. I learned a lot and my dog is happier :)
Hitting your dog will do no good. Patience is the key.

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RE: I am going to strangle My dog :( - 8/10/2006 7:23:38 PM

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Find a dog that looks somewhat similar to the one you have, but that is much older and tired, and switch them out. If your wife starts asking questions, act like you DO NOT have any idea what she's talking about.

Okay, maybe try the other hints folks have offered before mine.

And SK; am I wrong to assume your wife is your submissive? I'll say this, if my submissive pulled a "if he goes I go" stunt, she'd be getting crate trained.

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RE: I am going to strangle My dog :( - 8/10/2006 7:25:16 PM

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LOL, this is clearly against general forum guidelines and certainly against TOS.

But you ain't old enough to be worn out............

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RE: I am going to strangle My dog :( - 8/10/2006 7:44:11 PM

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Level, I do not know if you have been following the story or not, but suffice it to say we have been playing a horrid and delicate balancing game. Right now the relationship is in tatters. BDSM does not even factor into the equation at the moment. We split up months ago and I have been trying My best to put it back together ever since. It is My fear that although we are getting along very well and things appear to be on the up and up, one slip up at this point and she is out the door, which I really do not want (and I have put hours upon hours of heavy duty thought into it). Unfortunately the onus is on Me, which puts Me at a serious disadvantage. I want this to work out more than anything, and I am willing to make sacrifices in order to see that it does. One of them is the dog.

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RE: I am going to strangle My dog :( - 8/10/2006 7:44:30 PM

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Well, you CAN spend $20 a week on rawhides, or you can adopt my cheapskates approach to dog toys. 2 liter soda bottles. Flatten them, put the cap back on to hold the vacuum and let puppy play with those. When they stop making noise, throw it back in the recycle bin and it is worth exactly as much as when you gave it to the dog.

My wolf-hybrid did about $2000 damage in less than 3 weeks during his destructive phase but has been with me better than 9 years. And if anybody breaks in while I'm not home, they will still be here when I get back, standing very still.

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RE: I am going to strangle My dog :( - 8/10/2006 7:51:19 PM

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Level, I do not know if you have been following the story or not, but suffice it to say we have been playing a horrid and delicate balancing game. Right now the relationship is in tatters. BDSM does not even factor into the equation at the moment. We split up months ago and I have been trying My best to put it back together ever since. It is My fear that although we are getting along very well and things appear to be on the up and up, one slip up at this point and she is out the door, which I really do not want (and I have put hours upon hours of heavy duty thought into it). Unfortunately the onus is on Me, which puts Me at a serious disadvantage. I want this to work out more than anything, and I am willing to make sacrifices in order to see that it does. One of them is the dog.

SK, then you're doing the right thing. I hope it works out for you all.

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RE: I am going to strangle My dog :( - 8/10/2006 8:39:20 PM

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Egads!!...give me a cat any day...Have no clue on dog training ..however the clean up should be shared by the 2 of you..tis only fair..ok thats my useless 1 cent worth...take care..and good luck with your puppy!...Tempting

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RE: I am going to strangle My dog :( - 8/10/2006 9:03:59 PM

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You should have both done some research before getting a puppy. It's not an accessory and not something you can just say "oops, I didn't know it was so much work, let's get rid of it." Don't tell me you got it at a pet store?

Different breeds have different exercise requirements and different temperments. If your puppy is a nightmare, it's not because you have a bad dog, it's because you haven't prepared properly. Whatever the case, get it under control now, because it's only going to get larger. There are plenty of resources available that give step by step instructions, but it takes a tremendous amount of time, in many cases, to do it right.

Another piece of advice - getting a puppy when both people are not on the same page AND the relationship is solid is like having kids and thinking that will make things better. Something as emotional and unpredictable as raising a puppy has the potential to create heated arguments, loss of patience and resentment.

My husband and I are raising a lab, crate trained, and he had a total of one accident in the house and while it was incredibly time consuming at the start, he was bathroom trained in a matter of a few days. Labs are notorious for chewing up everything they can get into their mouths; the trick is that *YOU* have to keep your valuables out of harm's way. A puppy cannot distinguish between shoes and approved toys. As for any barking, crying, or dog hysteria, it might be related to lack of exercise or stimulation. If you are running a puppy through obedience at home, proper exercise and plenty of stimulation, it will cut down on howling.

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