WhipTheHip
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EvilGeoff wrote:
> I'm sorry Whip, but unless you have interviewed every Christian
> to find out what their individual beliefs are, you've done nothing
> but make a grossly over-reaching blanket statement that is nothing
> but pure stereotyping of the absolute worst order.
The history of Christianity speaks for itself. I don't have to interview
every National Socialists to know National Socialism is bad news.
I don't have to interview every Wahhabi Muslim to know Wahhabi
Islam is bad news. And I don't have to interview every Christian
to know Christianity is a dangerous religion. Even today Christians
are trying to force others to follow their religious beliefs.
> I will readily stipulate that many atrocities have been committed by
> those claiming to be Christians.
I find statements like this highly offensive and repugnant. You may
admit to "many atrocities," but in fact there is undeniable evidence
of nearly 2,000 years of countless atrocities--atrocities that exceed
anything most humans today can possibly imagine. And
these atrocities were not just committed by people claiming to
be Christian, they were committed by people who were
Christian. They were commited by people who believed Jesus
Christ is God, and that he died for mankind's sins. Now you
can say these people were not really Christians. National
Socialists today can say Nazis were not really National Socialists.
Communists today can say that Stalin, Mao, and Fidel were not
really Communists. And Shiite Muslims can say that bin
Ladin is not a true Muslim. But who is kidding who?
I know what kind of people the Popes were. I know
Christain dogma. I know the history of Christianity. Like
I said, you can tell a tree by the fruit it bears. Do you
know who said that?
> But by the same token, many attrocities have been
> committed by those claiming belief in pretty much
> all other faiths as well.
No faith has committed nearly as many atrocities as
Christianity. Christianity has commited 1000 times
more atrocities than committed by any other faith or
belief system. No faith or belief system comes close to
doing the amount of evil Christianity has done.
> Many attrocities have been committed by
> those who have no religious faith at all.
What's you're point? I fail to see the relevance
of this assertion. Are you saying Christianity
is not so bad because Hitler, Stalin and Pol
Pot committed their own atrocities? "Hey
judge, cut me some slack. Okay, so I murdered
a thousand people, but other criminals have
murdered and tortured people, too." This is
your defense of Christianity?
> Attrocities are committed by human beings.
I am waiting for you to tell me something I don't know.
I didn't think attrocieties were commited by Martians.
> Human beings of one faith are no better or worse
> than human beings of any other faith.
Bullshit!!!! I never heard of Bahist's committing
any atrocities or Buddhists or Pagans or Druze
or Cathars or Gnostics. I think I can name
numerous belief systems that have never committed
a single atrocity. Even the Jews have been
relatively peaceful the past 2,000 years. I guess
it is has been about 2,000 years since they last
killed someone for religious reasons.
> Being human beings, when operating in groups,
> they tend to get an "us vs them" outlook,
And yet Buddhists have not committed one
atrocity in their entire history. How remarkable, huh?
Pretty amazing don't you think? Or possibly, just
possibly could their belief system have something
to do with it?
> which, all things considered historically, since most groups
> of human beings have been operating that way, it is at least
> an understandable outlook.
I don't know of any other religious group that slaughtered
and tortured just about everyone the way Christians have.
Not even Muslims come close to the shameless depravity
Christians have engaged in.
> Understanding what Christ had to teach us is a life-long and
> at times difficult journey.
Oh please! Maybe this is true for Christians, but not
for most human beings. Jesus taught, "Love thy
neighbor as they self." This, of course, came from
Jewish scripture. All Christians had to do was follow
this one teaching and they would have been okay.
It really isn't that complicated.
> Being Christian does not mean we believe that God will
> reward us for being "good" or punish us for being "bad".
Actually, Christianity would not be a half-bad religion if it
did believe this. At least, if Christians believed this, they
would make some effort to be good.
> Being Christian means having a personal relationship
> with Christ, and trying to understand what he taught,
> and trying to live our lives as we understand his calling
> to our hearts leads us.
Yep, this is exactly what led to the three Inquistions that
lasted over 1,000 years. This is exactly what led to the
extermination of the Cathars, and all the wars between
Catholics and Protestants.
> If you want to know what really being Christian is about,
> look to Mother Teresa as an example
Mother Teresa was one of the most selfish people who ever
walked the face of the Earth. She was asked why she
sacraficed her life to help the poor and those with disease.
Her answer is very revealing. She said she is no fool.
That she would not have sacraficed her life to help the
sick and the poor if she did not believe in Jesus and an
afterlife. She said it is a small thing to sacrafice the few
short years at maximum we all have on Earth to gain
everlasting life in God's paradise. In other words, she
helped the sick and the poor, for the exact same
motivation students go to college or people invest
in the stock market. She hoped to profit from her
sacrafice. She believed she was earning Brownie
points in God's eyes, that she would win favor in his
eyes, and thereby avoid death, and live forever with
reward greater than all the riches on Earth. In my
eyes Mother Teressa was no better than Donald
Trump.
Moreover, for every Mother Terressa produced by
Christianity there has been a hundred Torquemadas
a hundred inquisitors, a hunderd people who have
murdered and tortured others in the name of Jesus
Christ.
You are like a magician who says don't look over
here and see what I am doing with my other hand,
just look what I am doing with the hand that is trying
to fool you.
For every Mother Terressa there are a hundred
Jerry Falwells, a hunderd Pat Robertsons, a
hundred Jim Bakers and a hundred Jimmy
Swaggarts, and a hundred Father Coughlins,
and a hudred Ed Meeses.
> Just because someone spouts the words "I'm a Believer"
> does not necessarily make it so.
But Torquemada was a believer, and so were most of the
inquisitors who were devout Franciscans and Domincans.
Best regards,
Michael
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