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SCORPIOXXX -> RE: How does a Dominant decide to be (or not) a Daddy Dom? (8/17/2006 11:13:24 PM)

Susan catching up on mail??? Ahem, hmph and harumph: a likely story...

[Editor's Note: harumphing done with  a modicum of affection.]




SusanofO -> RE: How does a Dominant decide to be (or not) a Daddy Dom? (8/18/2006 1:23:28 AM)

I read the stories, ScorpioXXX. They were fantastic. Thanks.

- Susan




JassWolf -> RE: How does a Dominant decide to be (or not) a Daddy Dom? (8/18/2006 4:23:53 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: NastyDaddy

I tend to disagree in that analogy because it's faulted by virtue of the assumption the girl is always in a child-like helpless mode as you portrayed. 

Firstly, the girl is an adult no matter what role she is being at any point in time, and speaking to her as a Daddy is always done from a position of authority, safety and respect.  

Whether she is in adult or child mode, her purpose is to make Daddy proud of her, it's nothing he gets on occaision as if a token, it is the girl's mission and charter in the relationship.... her job is not a variable retrieved by label or the perception of correlation.



To return to your original position, I think: the 'nice' thing about submission is that s/he can choose it ... and while it always hangs about somewhere inside, s/he can choose when to let it engage.

"Probably not now" s/he says during a business meeting. "Ah yes" pulling into the driveway at home.

While the chronological child waits anxiously to be "grown up," the little gurl I own waits anxiously to be with daddy so she can 'let go' of the need to be in charge.

And I'm sure I'm not the only dominant who feels a little bit of Myself is missing when she cannot be in submission.

JW




Sasy -> RE: How does a Dominant decide to be (or not) a Daddy Dom? (8/18/2006 4:35:51 AM)

I think  it is  just a by nature thing as is Dominant, submissive etc... But I love the nuturing of a Daddy Dom. In all ways the same but in some ways different.. They seem to  be more supportive of ventures and closer if you  start to slip.Allowing you  less ofen to fall first to learn the lesson so  to speak. I have been a Daddys girl for probally about 8 years  hmm maybe 9 but most cant see how slave and that fit together but with  the right person they do. And there is a part of me  that loves the spanking only a Daddy Dom can truly give




gingersnap -> RE: How does a Dominant decide to be (or not) a Daddy Dom? (8/18/2006 5:17:56 AM)

From the lil girl side of things, at least this little girl 

A Daddy allows us to be US, they do not say 'grow up and act your age'. 

A Daddy does not judge, he listens and guides.

A Daddy corrects with a whisper but disciplines in a clear fashion usually saying.."do you understand, little girl?" 

A Daddy understands it has nothing to do with me wanting to be with MY birth daddy and all to do with the loving dominance he has.

A Daddy understands the difference between bratty and just plain fun and reacts appropriately to each one of those things.

A Daddy guides, nurtures, protects, and LOVES his girl. 

(On a fun note.. A Daddy has fast reflexes he needs to use when his little girl JUMPS into his arms or onto his lap)

There, my 2 cents

gin





NastyDaddy -> RE: How does a Dominant decide to be (or not) a Daddy Dom? (8/18/2006 11:02:41 AM)

ggg!

(good girl gin!)

Those are great personal observations and and you didn't even have to brainwash me. 






ExSteelAgain -> RE: How does a Dominant decide to be (or not) a Daddy Dom? (8/18/2006 1:54:42 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: NastyDaddy

I tend to disagree in that analogy because it's faulted by virtue of the assumption the girl is always in a child-like helpless mode as you portrayed. 

Firstly, the girl is an adult no matter what role she is being at any point in time, and speaking to her as a Daddy is always done from a position of authority, safety and respect.  

Whether she is in adult or child mode, her purpose is to make Daddy proud of her, it's nothing he gets on occaision as if a token, it is the girl's mission and charter in the relationship.... her job is not a variable retrieved by label or the perception of correlation.


Nasty, my transactional analysis (TA) admittedly goes off on a psycho babble tangent that I usually try to avoid, but, in this case, it just makes so much sense to me. I realize the girl cannot always be in the childlike mode and I’m only speaking in the context of a scene or private times together.

Sure she is always really an adult, but the TA theory says we are always in what is described as a parent, adult or child mode. It is a descriptive thing. I’m saying it is hard for her to feel and act childlike if she is being spoken to as an adult. She is more likely to feel the role if someone is speaking to her in a parent like manner.

Your point that it is the girl’s mission to make Daddy proud of her even when she is in the adult mode or basically all the time, is a valid position. I was speaking more of the private times together where I feel the mood is better served if it is done in a parent to child like atmosphere.  Like I said, I don’t really do this, but I do see the correlations in the M/s relationship. You probably know what works in these things much better than I do, actually.




gingersnap -> RE: How does a Dominant decide to be (or not) a Daddy Dom? (8/18/2006 3:50:24 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: NastyDaddy

ggg!

(good girl gin!)

Those are great personal observations and and you didn't even have to brainwash me. 





~takes a cute little bow~

Thank you NastyDaddy

gin




Satyr6406 -> RE: How does a Dominant decide to be (or not) a Daddy Dom? (8/18/2006 4:25:12 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SusanofO

I am not looking for one, but for some reason today, I started thinking about just how male Dominants decide "what kind" of Dominant they are...and what kind they are not.

Is this a conscious choice, and how is it made?
Does it just sort of evolve for people, I wonder?

If you're a male Dominant (female Dommes, and submissives and slaves, feel free to weigh in here too) - how did you decide to be (or not) - a "Daddy Dom"?

What is your idea of a Daddy Dom?
Do you consider this an arbitrary label?

Are there things you think they do, or some part of the dynamic that you don't want to do, if you're not a Daddy Dom?

Do you think people who are not currently Daddy Doms can ever become good Daddy Doms? (provided they want to do that, of course).

I am just wondering about this today, I guess. Not sure why.
Thanks for any replies.

- Susan


This is going to sound weird ...

I didn't decide. I was told. I knew this young lady who kept insisting that I was dominant. I understood but, in relationship to the lifestyle, I was repulsed.
 
My only contact with "dominants and submissives" left me with a bad taste in my mouth.
 
I felt that most dominants were misogynists and submissives were bereft of self-esteem. I avoided any kind of "organized lifestyle" things and went on about my business.
 
She informed me that just because I was a "kinder, gentler 'dominant' (Whadduhyawantfromme? King George I was president)", didn't mean that I wasn't dominant. It meant that I wasn't so much into objectification and the like (She also informed me that I'd been meeting the wrong people).
 
Later on, when I got on-line, I noticed a chat room with the name "Daddy Doms/Babygirls" and I remember being REALLY repulsed because I thought it was about pedophilia (and I'm not even particularly tuned in to "age play").
 
A "babygirl" gave me a couple of text files that explain this facet of the lifestyle and they explain it much better than I can. As I read the one about being a "Daddy Dom", I realized that for the second time in my life, someone knew more about me than I did.
 
Anyone that would like these files is welcome to ask. I won't post their content, here for the sake of not confusing things and possibly being seen as a plagarist.
 
 
 
Peace and comfort,
 
 
 
 
Michael




WhipTheHip -> RE: How does a Dominant decide to be (or not) a Daddy Dom? (8/18/2006 10:28:14 PM)

>  I have 3 unmentionables
 
Women must come flocking to your door.  
Can you pee out of all three simultaneously?
 
Oh sorry, you meant something else!




SalemWiK -> RE: How does a Dominant decide to be (or not) a Daddy Dom? (8/19/2006 3:13:57 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SusanofO

I am not looking for one, but for some reason today, I started thinking about just how male Dominants decide "what kind" of Dominant they are...and what kind they are not.

Is this a conscious choice, and how is it made?
Does it just sort of evolve for people, I wonder?

If you're a male Dominant (female Dommes, and submissives and slaves, feel free to weigh in here too) - how did you decide to be (or not) - a "Daddy Dom"?

What is your idea of a Daddy Dom?
Do you consider this an arbitrary label?

Are there things you think they do, or some part of the dynamic that you don't want to do, if you're not a Daddy Dom?

Do you think people who are not currently Daddy Doms can ever become good Daddy Doms? (provided they want to do that, of course).

I am just wondering about this today, I guess. Not sure why.
Thanks for any replies.

- Susan


I never made the choice to be a Daddydom for the past four years, or so, off an on. Thing is most Daddydom's don't from what I've seen, sure a guy can decide he wants to be called "daddy" but it takes a special Dom to do it right; one that cares more about the nurturing side of being in control, but has no qualms in swatting his little girl's bottom if she gets out of line. There is more to it, but Daddydom really comes to the individual not vice versa, from my experiance.




Riskspect -> RE: How does a Dominant decide to be (or not) a Daddy Dom? (8/19/2006 10:07:53 AM)


Gestalt therapy and Transactional Analysis (TA) teach us that we communicate through one of three egos, our Child, Adult or Parent.  Over the years I’ve thought a lot about Gestalt and transactional analysis and how D/s relates.
 
In a D/s relationship both the Dom and the sub can and often do act from their Adult ego.  In this case we have two adults, fulfilling needs and transacting with each other in a straight forward manner.  This is how Gestalt and TA want us to interact and how we should interact.
 
However, in many cases, the Dom functions form his Adult ego while the sub does so from her Child.  Is this in conflict with what Gestalt and TA teach us?  Not necessarily.  Gestalt wants us to be aware of our ego when we transact.  We are not taught that we can never transact from our Child or Parent.  Therefore, one can draw the conclusion that to roll play as Parent to Child is fine.  But, can you maintain an actual relationship this way? 
Both Gestalt and TA teach us that to maintain a healthy relationship you need to do it Adult to Adult.  Why?  Because the Adult ego is where we deal with fact, both intellectually and emotionally.  Our Child and Adult egos often ignore fact and intellect, relying more on immediate gratification and emotion.
 
So, the question of Daddy Dom is defined by the nature of the relationship.  A Daddy Dom and daughter sub will probably work fine for roll playing.  But not for a long term relationship.
 
Am I a daddy Dom?  I can be for roll playing, but not for a relationship.




JassWolf -> RE: How does a Dominant decide to be (or not) a Daddy Dom? (8/19/2006 10:51:17 AM)

Certainly it is clear that adults will act like adults some of the time. I mean, if TA didn't say so, common sense and experience would show it even better. We have to work, drive, shop, relate to other (vanilla) adults,  and all the other stuff that isn't always fun.

Sometimes fiction lets us fantasize a world where we can live our fantasies, but healthy readers (both children and adults) know they are suspending their disbelief in a fictional world, and that that's okay.

The problem I've always found with Freudian, Jungian, and all the psycho-jargon they and their descendants have created is that they overcomplicate reality and pursue theories at the expense of common sense and real experiences.

To support what we both are saying, note that most (?) Daddy/lil gurl stories (fantasies, in other words) are believable in the degree they feature, for example, a business woman returning home from work stressed and fatigued. She enters the house and welcomes the attentions of her daddy who takes her burdens from her and replaces them with peace and relief.

The stories have verisimilitude because they pretty much mimic the real experience of Daddy/lil gurl couples, and others who are in a D/s relationship. The Daddy/lil gurl mode describes, imo, a mode for D/s, not something other.

JW




NastyDaddy -> RE: How does a Dominant decide to be (or not) a Daddy Dom? (8/19/2006 11:06:19 AM)

Palm readers and soothsayers love that multiple choice kind of stuff, having only three possibilities affords them a perceived guaranteed 33% success rate by virtue of any answer.

What happened to parent ego in your statements, it disappeared? Does it's absence increase perceived prediction/probability success rate to 50% by virtue of dealing only with two possibilities?

With the parent ego missing and the child and adult egos both seeking, chasing emotion and gratification despite ignored intellectual fact.... where now falls intellectual fact, has it departed with or coincidental to the parent ego's departure?

How about summing it all up to it's ok for adults to act like or be treated like a child, but within a suggested daily amount, or allowance if you will?

Perhaps we should regulate Daddy/daughter roleplay similar to vitamins, put stickers on all babygirl's asses to inspect before use?      






JassWolf -> RE: How does a Dominant decide to be (or not) a Daddy Dom? (8/19/2006 12:30:42 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: NastyDaddy

put stickers on all babygirl's asses to inspect before use?    



What a wonderful idea, NastyDaddy! lol. Are you open to design suggestions?

Mine would love one that is a pink handprint ... save her all sorts of inconvenience! My personal choice would be one that says "What panties?"

JW




Satyr6406 -> RE: How does a Dominant decide to be (or not) a Daddy Dom? (8/19/2006 5:13:29 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Riskspect


Gestalt therapy and Transactional Analysis (TA) teach us that we communicate through one of three egos, our Child, Adult or Parent.  Over the years I’ve thought a lot about Gestalt and transactional analysis and how D/s relates.
 
In a D/s relationship both the Dom and the sub can and often do act from their Adult ego.  In this case we have two adults, fulfilling needs and transacting with each other in a straight forward manner.  This is how Gestalt and TA want us to interact and how we should interact.
 
However, in many cases, the Dom functions form his Adult ego while the sub does so from her Child.  Is this in conflict with what Gestalt and TA teach us?  Not necessarily.  Gestalt wants us to be aware of our ego when we transact.  We are not taught that we can never transact from our Child or Parent.  Therefore, one can draw the conclusion that to roll play as Parent to Child is fine.  But, can you maintain an actual relationship this way? 
Both Gestalt and TA teach us that to maintain a healthy relationship you need to do it Adult to Adult.  Why?  Because the Adult ego is where we deal with fact, both intellectually and emotionally.  Our Child and Adult egos often ignore fact and intellect, relying more on immediate gratification and emotion.
 
So, the question of Daddy Dom is defined by the nature of the relationship.  A Daddy Dom and daughter sub will probably work fine for roll playing.  But not for a long term relationship.
 
Am I a daddy Dom?  I can be for roll playing, but not for a relationship.
 

I don't mean this to sound as a personal attack (it isn't) but, you just don't get it. It's not about role-playing.
 
A "Babygirl" is ALWAYS an adult woman. Allow me to post a little piece of text that is not my own ...
 
quote:

ORIGINAL:Kendra "Daddy Doms. A Little Girl's View"

First I should say that in my relationship my Dom is not my father, he is nothing like my father, and I have no need for him to replace my father. He is however my Daddy. We do not engage in age play specifically ( beyond the occasional school girl fantasy *s*) and our relationship is not based on any need to have sex with children. I am always all woman, and always a very independent woman. He does have the ability to make me feel like a little girl, however, a very cherished and sometimes needy little girl. It is a feeling that I revel in, it is the safest place I have ever been, and it allows me the freedom to be all that I am without fear of reprisals.
 
So..what makes a Daddy Dom? First and foremost he loves his little girl. She is his prized possession. His eyes light up when she walks into the room and he takes great pride in her successes. After all, he helped to create her. She holds the most tender part of his heart and has the greatest power to hurt him.
 

 
It's not about age play or role play. It's about a "Daddy" inspiring those feelings of security and girlishness.
 
I hate to engage in pseudo-psycho-analysis but, the quote: "The child is father of the man" is not all that far off and it is VERY applicable (in my humble opinion) as to what "makes" a babygirl what she is.
 
For a long time, I avoided this "area" because I, too, thought it was some "sick" game playing. But, it is FAR from that.
 
 
 
 
Peace and comfort,
 
 
 
 
Michael




popeye1250 -> RE: How does a Dominant decide to be (or not) a Daddy Dom? (8/19/2006 5:27:27 PM)

Gingersnap, He had better have good reflexes when His little girl jumps into His lap!
Hmmm, this Daddy Dom thing sounds like it could be a lot of fun if only on a part-time basis even!

"What a Good Little Girl! Come over here and sit in Daddy's lap!"




velvetears -> RE: How does a Dominant decide to be (or not) a Daddy Dom? (8/19/2006 5:37:32 PM)

Susan,

Here is a good article i found that explains it quite well

http://www.domsubfriends.com/voye/articles/110/




cuddleheart50 -> RE: How does a Dominant decide to be (or not) a Daddy Dom? (8/19/2006 5:42:39 PM)

Daddy Doms sound something that I would like.  [:D]




popeye1250 -> RE: How does a Dominant decide to be (or not) a Daddy Dom? (8/19/2006 5:54:54 PM)

Velvetears, good article!
Yes, I'm Definately part Daddy Dom!
Another thing I've learned here in C.M.
Of course I'd want my little girl to be the best she could be in her job or career or in whatever she chose to do.
That article explains it wonderfully!




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