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RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? - 8/20/2006 9:21:24 AM   
juliaoceania


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Status: offline 		As I said in a previous post.. you need to look up the definition of masochist and sadism. Since you refuse to do so I will do it for you.


Sadism is the sexual pleasure or gratification in the infliction of pain and suffering upon another person. The word is derived from the name of the Marquis de Sade, a prolific French philosopher-writer of sadistic novels.


The counterpart of sadism is masochism, the sexual pleasure or gratification of having pain or suffering inflicted upon the self, often consisting of sexual fantasies or urges for being beaten, humiliated, bound, tortured, or otherwise made to suffer, either as an enhancement to or a substitute for sexual pleasure. The name is derived from the name of the 19th century author Leopold von Sacher-Masoch, known for his novel Venus in Furs that dealt with highly masochistic themes.


I am a masochist, my Daddy is a sadist. You are making judgments on "true" sadists and "true" masochist. If you enjoy taking pain you are a masochist, if you enjoy giving it you are a sadist. Your motivation for the enjoyment may differ, but the definition is that you enjoy it. Also note, it did not say ANYTHING about levels of extremes. People have pain tolerances.. some of high pain tolerances, some have low. Some submissives enjoy taking pain for their doms, and some like me get totally hot when sensual pain is inflicted on them.

Masochism also encompasses the mental aspects of humiliation, as does sadism. No offense, but you sound rather clueless about human sexuality in regard to BDSM. I think you would be well served to look in the archives about what people themselves say about their masochism and sadism. As someone that has studied ethnography, your questions are rather incomplete.,.. and you would be well served to read the archives to find more relevant data... just my thoughts

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RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? - 8/20/2006 9:24:38 AM   
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I'll agree with Knights of Mists too.   There are as many people in the Lifestyle trying to put people into pidgeon holes thesedays are there are pidgeonholes.  It's a pointless exercise.

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RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? - 8/20/2006 9:34:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: WhipTheHip

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ORIGINAL: MistressWolfen

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To get accurate results
I probably would need at least 30 people from each group.


To get anything even approaching reflective accuracy you need a subject pool of a minimum of 150.


Normally, you only need 30 people to get meaningful results.  I didn't pick this number randomly.
It is a law in statistics.  It is amazing how much information a random sample of 30 will tell you
about a large population.   But I would agree with you here because there is D/s and S&M.
This makes analysis much more complicated.  Ideally, a random sampling of 1,000 would be
best.  But even a sample as small as 30 could give a great deal of information.


It can yield clues, but your margin of error is extremely high, and as a social scientist I wouldn't think them reliable for anything but forming a hypothesis that needed more testing. I have to say that you are not getting answers congruent with your research questions. A good social scientist would say "Hey, I think I was mistaken!"

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RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? - 8/20/2006 9:40:03 AM   
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I suspect most female subs into D/s do need
a personal relationship with people they play with.  On the
other hand, I suspect that female subs who are not into D/s
who are just into S&M are at times willing to have anyone
top them so long as the person is competent with their
tools and can be trusted not to violate their hard limits.

 
Actually, a femsub just into pain and not into Ds is termed a bottom masochist...
 
 

 

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RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? - 8/20/2006 9:42:51 AM   
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I suspect that female subs who are not into D/s
who are just into S&M are at times willing to have anyone
top them so long as the person is competent with their
tools and can be trusted not to violate their hard limits.

 
Ok, here is one of the problems inherant in what you're saying - those who are not into d/s are Not 'female subs.'
 
Sub, short for "submissive," infers a specific power exchange and/or Desire for Power Exchange.  That power exchange infers a stand within d/s or m/s (an arguably more extreme form of power exchange than d/s) and the attendant counterpart found within someone who desires control - a dominant.
 
KoM, Synergy, and Raven are all quite correct on certain other levels.  None of us is only ONE thing when push comes to shove.  And while we all have Preferences that are chosen more often than other things, having a preference does not keep us from doing many things depending on the circumstances of the given day and hour.
 
As far as your statistical sampling goes - well - here's an old truism concerning Statistics :
 
Numbers can be manipulated to mean whatever the statistician desires them to mean, thereby proving practically anything - including proving the world is either flat or simply doesn't exist.

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RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? - 8/20/2006 9:47:38 AM   
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I find a little WD40 helps those labels slide right off ;)

I'll agree with Knights of Mists too.   There are as many people in the Lifestyle trying to put people into pidgeon holes thesedays are there are pidgeonholes.  It's a pointless exercise.


Don't get me wrong, the lables do have use... as a start point in conversation, to get both people in the right general area before elaborating on it and getting to the real meanings behind the world. I fit the Lables Master, Dom and/or Top quite nicely depending on circumstance. But none of them tells the whole picture. Taking them as absolutes however, yes, that is rather pointless.


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RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? - 8/20/2006 9:52:31 AM   
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Micheal I don't usually respond to your posts as I find them tiring and lacking of something .. but this constant telling people they are not somethnig based on how you describe it gets very tiring after awhile .. who are you? who gave you all divine power to discern my label of who I am and what I am? he's YOUIR clue this is an alternative lifestyle . there is NO clear cut definition ... its looking at life from outside the box . cause for most of us ... we thought the box sucked. you try and rationalized why others do it and spend very little time learning yourself so it seems ..... one minute your a sensual sadist and the next you state your willing to whip her beyond her pleasure ... so which is it .... and why do you make generalized and rather inane comments about others in the lifestyle.
 
maybe you need to look in your own box before you figure out everyone elses box

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RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? - 8/20/2006 9:52:38 AM   
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Whip,
In reading your post to Sunshine, I still have no idea what you consider "real sexual sadism" to be.  In one paragraph you call your self a "real sexual sadist" and then in another paragraph you say that you "don't get off on seeing people suffer pain."  What is "real sexual sadism" to you?


I am glad you asked me this question.  I wouldn't get any pleasure from drilling the tooth of a
female bottom, sticking a needles into her, pulling out her fingernails. sticking bamboo shoots
under her finger nails or crushing her bones.  To the contrary, the mere thought of this stuff
sickens me, makes me nauseous, frightens me, makes me feel pain, and causes me to feel
faint. 
 
On the other hand, I do like seeing a female suffer pain from being whipped, form being
spanked, from putting clamps on her nipples, from putting clamps on her breasts, from forcing
objects into her, and such.   There has to be a sexual aspect to the pain or it turns me off.   I 
get turned on by seeing a female squirm from sexual pain.  Does this mean I would ever violate
a female's hard limits no, for all the reasons I stated above, and also knowing that would be
the end of my ever being able to get sexual pleasure this way.   A female willing to be my
sub is much too valuable to me to alienate.  Finally, I couldn't endure the emotional distress
that would accompany exceeding a sub's hard limits. So, I have no fear of taking things too
far.  My play has never upset any of the females I have ever played with.
 
Now, I have never been a bottom.   I have a very, very low tolerance for pain.   I get zero enjoyment
from pain, nor do I get endorphins from pain.  But I do have masochistic fantasies, some very 
extreme.  If I were ever to be a bottom, I could never play with a safeword, because I would use
it immediately as I really can't stand any level of pain.  The female top would have to be someone
who didn't care about me, somene who really enjoyed watching me suffer.  If this were not the case,
she most likely would stop as soon as she saw how much pain I was really in.  She would have to
get off on the fact that what she was doing was at some level non-consensual.  As she was doing
it I would probably be calling her a fucking bitch a pleading with her to stop.   She wouldn't find
someone submissive at all.  My ideal fantasy female top would be a survivor with a lot of anger,
who needed someone to stop her from going too far, to make sure her inner beast get out of
control and kill me.  Why I have this fantasy, I can't exactly say, but I probably would only go
through it once, as I am sure the reality would change the way I felt about it.
 
I might want to reserve this fantasy for a female who wants to be my sub, who can temporarily
look at me as someone else, perhaps someone who hurt her in the past.  This would be my
gift to her, and it would take away some of the guilt I feel for being a sexual sadist, and for a
lot of the fantasies I have.
 
Best regards,
Michael

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RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? - 8/20/2006 9:55:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: RavenMuse

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ORIGINAL: MzTlaz

I find a little WD40 helps those labels slide right off ;)

I'll agree with Knights of Mists too.   There are as many people in the Lifestyle trying to put people into pidgeon holes thesedays are there are pidgeonholes.  It's a pointless exercise.


Don't get me wrong, the lables do have use... as a start point in conversation, to get both people in the right general area before elaborating on it and getting to the real meanings behind the world. I fit the Lables Master, Dom and/or Top quite nicely depending on circumstance. But none of them tells the whole picture. Taking them as absolutes however, yes, that is rather pointless.



Pssssssssttttt . he also fits the label of Teddybear ... just ask spoilt .. for a cookie or two she'll spill the beans on him
 


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RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? - 8/20/2006 9:57:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		> Actually, a femsub just into pain and not into Ds is termed a bottom masochist.
 
Right!  But "sub" has come to be an all inclusive term, and usually most female
bottom masochists tend to have at least a little sub in them, too.   "Sub" seems
to have become a generic term.

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RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? - 8/20/2006 10:04:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		So what are you coming up with here, Whip?  I'm interested in your study outcome here :)

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RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? - 8/20/2006 10:10:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: WhipTheHip

> Actually, a femsub just into pain and not into Ds is termed a bottom masochist.
 
Right!  But "sub" has come to be an all inclusive term, and usually most female
bottom masochists tend to have at least a little sub in them, too.   "Sub" seems
to have become a generic term.

It is not an inclusive term. Someone that labels themselves as a masochist bottom is not a sub. Tikkiee is an example... she does not call herself a sub. It is not a generic term, especially when you want to put people into boxes. You are trying to categorize us, try using established categories instead of making it up as you go along.

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RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? - 8/20/2006 10:20:08 AM   
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So, yeah...they have a couple of uses

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RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? - 8/20/2006 10:29:05 AM   
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I suspect that female subs who are not into D/s
who are just into S&M are at times willing to have anyone
top them so long as the person is competent with their
tools and can be trusted not to violate their hard limits.

 
Ok, here is one of the problems inherant in what you're saying - those who are not into d/s are Not 'female subs.'

 
I don't know how you derived this from my words.  "Female sub" is a kind of generic term.  But "sub" stands for
"submissive," and females who are not submissive who are just masochistic bottoms are technically speaking
not "subs."  Not every female masochistic bottom is a sub. 
 
> Sub, short for "submissive," infers a specific power exchange and/or Desire for Power Exchange.  That
> power exchange infers a stand within d/s or m/s (an arguably more extreme form of power exchange than
> d/s) and the attendant counterpart found within someone who desires control - a dominant.
 
Huh?

> KoM, Synergy, and Raven are all quite correct on certain other levels.  None of us is only ONE thing
> when push comes to shove.  And while we all have Preferences that are chosen more often than other things,
> having a preference does not keep us from doing many things depending on the circumstances of the
> given day and hour.
 
It is raining in Rio.
 
> As far as your statistical sampling goes - well - here's an old truism concerning Statistics :
> Numbers can be manipulated to mean whatever the statistician desires them to mean, thereby
> proving practically anything - including proving the world is either flat or simply doesn't exist.
 
Actually, this is not correct.  Don't tell this to any professional gambler, to any insurance
company, to any physicist, to any quality control engineer. to any medical researcher,
to any pollster, or to any political strategist.    If you don't understand statistics, you can
easily be mislead by a statistician.   But if you do understand statistics, it can provide
very useful information      Every statistical fact is a mathematical truth.   Everything is
a matter of probability and degrees of certainty.  It is easier for the layman dismiss the
validity of statistics, then it is for them to understand the true meaning of statistics.  All
science is based on generalizations and labels.  Problems arise when people who are
unable to make subtle distinctions misuse generalizations and labels. 
 
I have very particular D/s and bdsm interests.  Most people into D/s and bdsm are not
into what I am into.  So, it may not be important for you and others to know what other
people in D/s and bdsm are really into, but it is important to me, because what I am
looking for is a lot harder to find.  It may not even exist.  The only way for me to know
is to ask questions and see what others are really interested in.   Then I can take find
where my interests intersect the interests of others.  Capice?
 
The thing I find strange is half the threads on this website are people asking
what other people like.   I have never noticed anyone else having a problem
with others asking questions like this.  You might want to ask yourself why
you find my questions so disturbing.
 
Best regards,
Michael


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RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? - 8/20/2006 10:40:57 AM   
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So what are you coming up with here, Whip?  I'm interested in your study outcome here :)


Hi Lotus Song,
 
I am not quick to jump to conclusions.  I am in no rush.  I will wait
a week till this thread is over, then I will read all the answers,
think about them a long time.  With as much diversity as I seem
to be getting here, I may not reach any conclusion.  Quite often,
I just don't have enough information to reach a conclusion. 
Half the time people ask me things, I tell them I don't know.  
A lot of people think they always have to have answers to 
everything.  I have no problem reserving judgment, and hold
things in abeyance.   With enough answers, though, some
very general observations may become apparent.  It is way
too early at this point for me to be able to say anything.  I
think I need to redo this in the form of ten questions with
answers ranging from minus ten to plus ten.
 
All the best,
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RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? - 8/20/2006 10:43:53 AM   
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RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? - 8/20/2006 10:56:50 AM   
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Actually, this is not correct.  Don't tell this to any professional gambler, to any insurance
company, to any physicist, to any quality control engineer. to any medical researcher,
to any pollster, or to any political strategist.    If you don't understand statistics, you can
easily be mislead by a statistician.   But if you do understand statistics, it can provide
very useful information      Every statistical fact is a mathematical truth.   Everything is
a matter of probability and degrees of certainty.  It is easier for the layman dismiss the
validity of statistics, then it is for them to understand the true meaning of statistics.  All
science is based on generalizations and labels.  Problems arise when people who are
unable to make subtle distinctions misuse generalizations and labels. 

 
It is the application of statistics that can skew the results. Example of misinterpretation: Not having a large enough sample to keep the margin of error from being significant. I suppose if your uses are interpersonal relationships and for your own use, 30 individuals would be ok. But those 30 individuals responding are not all from the same categories. Some of us are bottoms, some are tops, some are female and some are male, some are sadists and some are masochists. Your sample needs 30 of these discrete categories. I got an A in stats

 
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I have very particular D/s and bdsm interests.  Most people into D/s and bdsm are not
into what I am into.  So, it may not be important for you and others to know what other
people in D/s and bdsm are really into, but it is important to me, because what I am
looking for is a lot harder to find.  It may not even exist.  The only way for me to know
is to ask questions and see what others are really interested in.   Then I can take find
where my interests intersect the interests of others.  Capice?
I considered studying BDSM as a subculture in my graduate work, but changed my mind for several reasons, one of which was it is hard to label anyone. The best way to find out what you seek is on a one on one basis. There are some people that desire to have their mate sling shit at them while they run around like a monkey,... there may or may not be a person that wants to do it with them, but asking a bunch of people on a message board if they are into this isn't going to be relevant.
 
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The thing I find strange is half the threads on this website are people asking
what other people like.   I have never noticed anyone else having a problem
with others asking questions like this.  You might want to ask yourself why
you find my questions so disturbing.

 
I do not know if that was directed at the board or an individual, but I do not find you disturbing, comical, entertaining, but disturbing.. no.  I think most people do not like to be labeled outside of the ones they ascribe to themselves... and they do not like to feel as though someone has come in and stated what their motivations are for what they do.
 
Personally, I think that you have mislabeled people, and I DO have an issue with that, because of my academic background. I do not think that you understand much of what you are theorizing. If I was to even begin to make these generalizations about a group of people I would have hundreds of questionaires from the group under study. It would be a discrete study, even if the group was not mutually exclusive. I would not throw questions at several groups at once on a message board. I would certainly listen to how people describe themselves. I would use a tool such as archived threads (which I have at times) to enlighten myself on the topic if I was using this message board for research purposes. There are so many threads about this topic, I wonder if you actually have read what masochists say about their masochism.  Your ideas do not fit me, nor other masochists I have read. Yes it is slightly offensive when you think you can know what this is without being one... read what WE say, not the shit emanating from your own mind

 


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RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? - 8/20/2006 11:22:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		My ideal Top: Someone who can beat the living shit out of me competantly. S/he can push me to my breaking point with no remorse. I want to be in agony. Someone who can look past the hissing, snarling, yelping and crying and give me what I seem to truly want. Someone who will see my fury and ignore it, knowing it is circumstancial and a response I can not control, even as I try to leap from my bounds and claw their eyes out. I have seen beauty in pain. I have seen transcendance, and I know each time I'm on the bottom I want to keep going further. Someone who can give me this catharsis. Whether or not they enjoy it? Well, that isn't exactly important to me, but I would prefer that they do, otherwise they may not be able to deal with or be able to take me to that place. This someone should also know, if I safeword, it probably means I broke something. I am beginning to realize I am a very stubborn bottom, and I understand that this may ultimately be a bad thing. This person should never expect to be my Dom. We are, and always will be equals. I am interested in the pain, and only the pain.

My perfect bottom: Someone who will let me push them to their breaking point. I want to see them in agony, begging me to stop. I want to eventually train them to enjoy what I am doing to them, but I do so want to bring them to their finality. The point they can't possibly stand it any more. The point their pleasure turns to fear or fury. Basically someone who will go as far as I wish to also go in masochism. Someone who would later find they enjoyed what happened to them, even if they do not realize it while I am administering pain. What I am interested in is the pain and the transcendance that takes place. (Preferably she would also be able to regenerate and come back from the dead, but that is asking for too much :P) A part of me wishes to inflict nonconsentual pain on an unwilling victim, but it is a part of me I don't allow off its leash. To have them wanting to crawl away in absolute terror.

As I have told my slave on a number of occassions: I want pain to be our ultimate ecstasy. I know for me, it already is. I am greatly honored though, to know she goes as far as she does to please me.

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RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? - 8/20/2006 11:24:21 AM   
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RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? - 8/20/2006 11:27:28 AM   
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I find them tiring and lacking of something  

What he is lacking is ears to hear.

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