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juliaoceania -> RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? (8/20/2006 6:27:47 PM)

quote:

By the way, do you have multiple personalities?  Or when you refer to "we"
do you mean yourself, and all the angles in heaven"?  Or do you consider
yourself a queen, and are using the royal "we," because I know damn well
for sure you don't speak for everyone here.  

 
Your words, and I did not invent them




WhipTheHip -> RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? (8/20/2006 6:28:03 PM)

MzMinx wrote:
> Micheal .... you are full of contradictions .... and here are  but a few of
> the obviouse ones ... I could go on all day you say  dont judge people ..
> yet you throw generalisations all over the place  .... and get smarmy
> and spitty  when people pull you up on them
 
I see no contradiction here.



WhipTheHip -> RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? (8/20/2006 6:30:08 PM)

> you ask for peoples views of themselves ... then say  you couldnt accept
> them as you need to self prove them because everyone has different scales
 
First I see no contradiction here.  Second, I don't have the foggiest idea what
you are talking about.




juliaoceania -> RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? (8/20/2006 6:32:14 PM)

You know what Whip, you are right, I do not know how I could have been so hard on someone so perfect and kind and domly in everyway, the Unique Best Dom in the entire Universe... the best person in the world.. excuse this one her impudence in questioning one so awe-inspiring as yourself, one who's goodness and kindness no other dom, or person for that matter, can compete with...

Good Night



WhipTheHip -> RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? (8/20/2006 6:37:38 PM)

MzMinx wrote:

> you use Wikipedia in responce to others .... but say it holds no value

I copied a Wikipedia article on Josaphine to generally
answer who she was.   I have no idea if that article was
accurate or not or filled with errors.   It was just something
I did quickly.  On historical articles where there are no
disputed facts Wikipedia generally does a good job, though
its pages are vandalized all the time nothing it says can
be trusted.   On articles that are not factual like definitions
or controversial subjects, Wikipedia is worthless.  I did not
cite Wikipedia to support any position I had, nor would
I ever do so.  It is good for what it is:  A free source of
information, and you get what you pay for.
 
Are all your other contradictions this idiotic?



juliaoceania -> RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? (8/20/2006 6:45:00 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: WhipTheHip

MzMinx wrote:

> you use Wikipedia in responce to others .... but say it holds no value

I copied a Wikipedia article on Josaphine to generally
answer who she was.   I have no idea if that article was
accurate or not or filled with errors.   It was just something
I did quickly.  On historical articles where there are no
disputed facts Wikipedia generally does a good job, though
its pages are vandalized all the time nothing it says can
be trusted.   On articles that are not factual like definitions
or controversial subjects, Wikipedia is worthless.  I did not
cite Wikipedia to support any position I had, nor would
I ever do so.  It is good for what it is:  A free source of
information, and you get what you pay for.
 
Are all your other contradictions this idiotic?


Ok, if you have been involved with BDSM it could not possibly be the first time you have seen these definitions and known they were standard. To bring up their source if you know they are basically standard is intellectually dishonest... I might tell someone to use a better source, but I sure as hell would not dismiss information I knew was right according to medical journals and the dictionary



cloudboy -> RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? (8/20/2006 6:45:23 PM)


Dear Whip,

I thought you asked a great question, but sadly not many Doms participated and answered it.

I didn't want to slog through all the OT posts, but it seemed folks were haranging you for posing the question and were bogging you down in semantics.

I think your generality on Femdoms is correct (like Lotusong, who did answer the question presented.)

Not many maledoms chimed in with their own preferences, however.



WhipTheHip -> RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? (8/20/2006 6:46:39 PM)

MzMinx wrote:
> you say you are an atheist... but want to start  your own religion

There is no God in the religion I am starting.  It seems like you
don't bother to read my posts.
 
> you say you want peoples ideas and opinions then try
> and tell everyone they are wrong

This would not be a contradiction if it were true, but it isn't
true.  I never told everyone they were wrong.    I don't even
think I told one person here they were wrong, but it is
possible. 
 
I am stopping to read your post at this point, because I have
better things to do with my time.  It seems to me like you
wouldn't recognize a contradiction if it spanked you on the
ass.   Have a nice life.   You should have read Logic 101
before you read S&M 101.   Then you should have tried
taking a few courses in reading comprehension.
 



WhipTheHip -> RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? (8/20/2006 6:51:27 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: cloudboy
Dear Whip,
I thought you asked a great question, but sadly not many Doms participated and answered it.
I didn't want to slog through all the OT posts, but it seemed folks were haranging you for posing the question and were bogging you down in semantics.
I think your generality on Femdoms is correct (like Lotusong, who did answer the question presented.)
Not many maledoms chimed in with their own preferences, however.


Thank you, Cloudboy!  There must be a full moon out tonight.
 
Having run my own Dominatrix business, and being good friends
with the longtime owner of a very large Dominatrix business, I have
a pretty good idea what male subs like.  I was mainly interested
in hearing what female submissive, masochistic, bottoms like. 
 
All the best,
Michael



WhipTheHip -> RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? (8/20/2006 6:56:51 PM)

quote:

I do not know how I could have been so hard on someone so perfect and kind and domly in everyway, the Unique Best Dom in the entire Universe


Hmm!  I've admitted to having many flaws.  I never claimed to be perfect or anything remotely close.  In any event, there is no such thing as perfection, as what is perfect for one person is not perfect for another.  I said am not really a Dom, would probably make a poor Dom, and most subs would have no interest in me.   I stopped reading your post at this point becaue once again you are attributing to me things I never said. 



WhipTheHip -> RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? (8/20/2006 7:00:12 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

quote:

By the way, do you have multiple personalities?  Or when you refer to "we"
do you mean yourself, and all the angles in heaven"?  Or do you consider
yourself a queen, and are using the royal "we," because I know damn well
for sure you don't speak for everyone here.  

 
Your words, and I did not invent them


Right, these are my words.  And no you didn't invent them.
What is your point?



juliaoceania -> RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? (8/20/2006 7:02:00 PM)

wow, that is all I can say is wow.



WhipTheHip -> RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? (8/20/2006 7:08:06 PM)

> How many people need to agree with the definition posted
> for you to consider it standard... this is getting ridiculous
 
Most people in the world who use the word.  No, you are
ridiculous.  You have ten people here who agree on a
definition, and you think that makes it a standard definition?
I don't know how many people here think your definition
is correct.

As far as general English is concerned I accept the American
Heritage Dictionary first, then Merriam-Webster.   As far as
the bdsm scene is concerned general English dictionaries 
have no relevance.    



juliaoceania -> RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? (8/20/2006 7:21:42 PM)

Fast Reply,

For other people with open minds to read what masochists say about themselves I have compiled a few links from archives which was really the point of the exchange here in the first place, to try to get people not to base their own notions of what masochism is on their own ideas, but instead to listen to masochists themselves talk about it. I think it is much more enlightening than someone else's opinion because these are firsthand accounts.


What does it mean to you?
http://www.collarchat.com/m_341183/mpage_1/key_masochism/tm.htm#341183

masochism and submission - is there a conflict?
http://www.collarchat.com/m_475218/mpage_1/key_masochism/tm.htm#475246

One about sadistic submissives
Submissives Discovering Sadism
http://www.collarchat.com/m_430402/mpage_1/key_masochism/tm.htm#432341

masochistic vs non masochistic
http://www.collarchat.com/m_284469/mpage_1/key_masochism/tm.htm#284497

Here is a thread I started
Pain Tolerance And Masochism
http://www.collarchat.com/m_502086/mpage_1/key_masochism/tm.htm#502086

maso means submissive?
http://www.collarchat.com/m_456511/mpage_1/key_masochism/tm.htm#457055


Here is a link since the doms/tops seem to be avoiding this thread about sadism
Sadism vs Abuse?
http://www.collarchat.com/m_324113/mpage_1/key_masochism/tm.htm


Sweet Suffering
http://www.collarchat.com/m_192621/mpage_1/key_masochism/tm.htm#192723

There are many many more for those truly interested in masochism



WhipTheHip -> RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? (8/20/2006 7:22:51 PM)

> Ok, if you have been involved with BDSM it could not possibly
> be the first time you have seen these definitions and known they
> were standard. To bring up their source if you know they are
> basically standard is intellectually dishonest... I might tell
> someone to use a better source, but I sure as hell would not
> dismiss information I knew was right according to medical
> journals and the dictionary

Medical dictionary useage, and general English dictionary useage
have zero relevance to how a term is used in the bdsm community.
 
And I don't care how the term is used in the bdsm community,
I was only defining the term as far as my useage was concerned.
I've written this several times, all ready.  You just can't seem
to get it through your Aires head.  I never claimed my useage
was right or even common.  You seem to be arguing with me
just for the sake of argument.  I don't see we have any disagreement.
 
I didn't comment on your Wikipedia definition, because the
first time I glanced at it, I didn't see anything wrong with it.
Nor did I see its relevance to anything I was trying to say.
Then after reading it again, I saw it was different from my
personal bdsm definition.  The Wikipedia definition means
nothing to me.  Words have many meanings.  Can
the Wikipedia definiition be one accepted meaning of
word, yes.  So what?  None of this has any relevance to
what I wanted to say.  I don't know why you are attacking
me, but it does not seem to have anything to do with my
position.  As far as I know, I have no basic disagreement
with you.  Half the things you attribute to me, seem to
be things I never said. 



juliaoceania -> RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? (8/20/2006 7:27:42 PM)

It may not be relevant to YOU that you put people in boxes and not allow them to tell their own stories, above is a listing of threads where people talk about masochism and what it is to them and that maybe much more useful in actually learning something than the categories you created which really have no relevance for many who posted. If you do not care what we think and how we feel about it fine, but I fail to see why we would want to answer your questions when it isn't a process of give and take..
Take the threads if you can use them, I am not ultra sensitive about the topic, but at the same time, I had a difficult time accepting myself being who I am, and I will stand up when people mislabel others like me or myself... it is just the way I am



kyraofMists -> RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? (8/20/2006 7:41:49 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: WhipTheHip

Medical dictionary useage, and general English dictionary useage
has zero relevance to how a term is used in the bdsm community.

 
That is an absolute that is not true.  If medical and English dictionary usages of words had no relevance to BDSM, then sexual sadism could stand for dancing with fluffy bunnies.  But it doesn't.  Most people when they hear sadism understand that it involves someone getting pleasure from inflicting pain and that understanding comes from the medical and English references.
 
 



juliaoceania -> RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? (8/20/2006 7:46:51 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kyraofMists

quote:

ORIGINAL: WhipTheHip

Medical dictionary useage, and general English dictionary useage
has zero relevance to how a term is used in the bdsm community.

 
That is an absolute that is not true.  If medical and English dictionary usages of words had no relevance to BDSM, then sexual sadism could stand for dancing with fluffy bunnies.  But it doesn't.  Most people when they hear sadism understand that it involves someone getting pleasure from inflicting pain and that understanding comes from the medical and English references.
 
 


Im number  two that agrees with the medical defnition, which was also published in wikipedia... I am hoping we can find more than 10 that will post an agreement to it..smiles



SweetSarijane -> RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? (8/20/2006 8:11:06 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

quote:

ORIGINAL: kyraofMists

quote:

ORIGINAL: WhipTheHip

Medical dictionary useage, and general English dictionary useage
has zero relevance to how a term is used in the bdsm community.

 
That is an absolute that is not true.  If medical and English dictionary usages of words had no relevance to BDSM, then sexual sadism could stand for dancing with fluffy bunnies.  But it doesn't.  Most people when they hear sadism understand that it involves someone getting pleasure from inflicting pain and that understanding comes from the medical and English references.
 
 


Im number  two that agrees with the medical defnition, which was also published in wikipedia... I am hoping we can find more than 10 that will post an agreement to it..smiles



number 3 here...7-8 more to go.



Slipstreme -> RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? (8/20/2006 8:31:16 PM)

quote:

One about sadistic submissives
Submissives Discovering Sadism


God I wish my slave were more sadistic at times.



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