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juliaoceania -> RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? (8/20/2006 5:30:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: WhipTheHip

Wikipedia carries zero weight with me.  --Michael 


Funny, I found this quote on the Joesphine thread


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ORIGINAL:WhipTheHip

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ORIGINAL: SusanofO
Wow, this was interesting, Whip the Hip. I am a Catholic, and even I didn't know this.
- Susan

 wish I could take credit for knowing this, but I just copied it from Wikipedia.




MzMinx -> RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? (8/20/2006 5:31:03 PM)

Micheal .... you are full of contradictions ....
and here are  but a few of the obviouse ones ... I could go on all day
 
you say  dont judge people .. yet you throw generalisations all over the place  .... and get smarmy and spitty  when people pull you up on them
 
 
you ask for peoples views of themselves ... then say  you couldnt accept them as you need to self prove them because everyone has different scales
 
you use Wikipedia in responce to others .... but say it holds no value
 
you say you are an atheist... but want to start  your own religion
 
you admit you have leanings to phyological levels of  dependancy ... but call it loveing ... and no other understands ....
 
you say you want peoples ideas and opinions then try and tell everyone they are wrong
 
etc etc etc .... 
 
the best thing I have seen in this thread...... is you admiting your desires are based on your own fantasies .... rather than reality ... 
 
Its ok that you may want the fantasy of a cruel acting sadist .... but that is you .. its not everyone ... but neither is it unheard .. indeed its a persona many Pro Dommes learn because its a common session based fantasy
 
most people think their little mix of kinks/desires/needs etc is unigue ....  and by some definitions its completeness is a unigue grouping ... just as all humans  are unigue .... but its by degree  not kind...
 
 
and *smiles*  in any social group .. people, like twice, who have shown themslves over time to be fair, intelligent, considerate, thoughtful and non judgemental..  etc ... tend to get a broader leeway when it comes to certain things .... so yes twice may not have been perfect in her statements (no one is) ... but she was given the benifit of the doubt / undestanding  because people already knew enough about her to know she wasnt trying to be nasty or self indulgent..
 
you on the other hand .. havent earned that understanding ... and indeed appear to be going out of your way to prove the opposite
 
which I am sure feeds into your .. look at me .. no one understands the real me .. no one knows how special and unigue I am ... no one else could possably  be as loveing as me ... etc etc etc
 
but as I said on another thread ... your manner .. your words .. your  expressions etc .. all allow others to see that you are waving big red flags for all to see ... which is a  good thing
 




Emperor1956 -> RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? (8/20/2006 5:41:15 PM)

This thread is the best argument I've seen in months as to why we should require Internet users to show proof of age and intelligence before logging on.

E.




juliaoceania -> RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? (8/20/2006 5:47:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Emperor1956

This thread is the best argument I've seen in months as to why we should require Internet users to show proof of age and intelligence before logging on.

E.


Oh, I am not the only one in a naughty mood!...smiles.




WhipTheHip -> RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? (8/20/2006 5:47:25 PM)

Dear Juliaoceania,

This is why I stopped reading your posts, and decided to stop responding to you.
Long ago in this thread you wrote:   "read what WE say, not the SHIT emanating
from your own mind."   I find this remark highly offensive, I also believe it is untrue.

 
By the way, do you have multiple personalities?  Or when you refer to "we"
do you mean yourself, and all the angles in heaven"?  Or do you consider
yourself a queen, and are using the royal "we," because I know damn well
for sure you don't speak for everyone here.  

Juliaoceania, I think you need to read what I say, not the SHIT emanating from

***YOUR**** mind.  You really have thoroughly misunderstood what I been saying.
 It is pretty clear to me that you don't really know my position or what I think. 

By the way, I most likely have been in bdsm much longer than you have, and
probably know much more than you and many others here, though I still consider
my experience limited.   You've assumed I don't know a lot of things I've known
for a long time. 

I stop communicating with people who can't be polite or civil, and who have
lost their cool.   I've been at this stupid computer all day trying to answer
questions posed to me.  I am sorry I didn't get to your question soon enough.
You sound like an impatient little brat who expects others to focus exclusively

on you. 
 
In addition, I found your posts, long, tedious and pointless.  I didn't see anything
in your posts I needed to address.   I suggest you take a break from collarme.com
and take ten deep breaths.   I plan to do the same thing.  If I knew my words
would upset you so, I never would have written them.  I have better things to
do than get other people's undies in a bunch.

I have a life to live.  So if I don't answer more questions from this thread
right away, it is NOT because I am ignoring those here, it is because I have
other things to do.  It seems like many here are misinterpreting what
I've said.  I am happy to take the blame for not making myself clear.  But
I would think before you shit your pants, you would at least give someone

a chance to explain their position.  Giving me a chance to clarify my position
does not mean waiting an hour, then claiming I have ignored you. 

 
I have not tried to ignore anyone who has addressed me in a civil manner.
I may have missed a couple posts, but I've done nothing from morning
to night but sit and try to explain my position, which few here seem to
have any real interest in. 

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.  I have not tried to force my views
on anyone, nor am I in any position to do so.  I am detecting a lot

of defensiveness and a lot of insecurity. 
 
I started this thread because I was curious to know what others here are
interested in, not to label you or make generalizations.  I do have my
own theories and suspicions based on my many years in the scene, but
I wanted to see what others answered here first.  It is obvious that many
here felt threatened by whatever hypothesis I might arrive at.

Yes, humiliation, degradation, exhibitionism and objectification are 
sometimes part of bdsm.   This is nothing new to me.  
 
Have a nice life.
 
Best regards,
Michael





juliaoceania -> RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? (8/20/2006 5:55:46 PM)

Whip,

That shit emanating from your mind came out of me because you were not addressing ANYONE. It isn't just me having trouble havng discourse with you, it is WE, as in SEVERAL people on this thread. All of us asking the same questions, you refusing to address them.

I find it funny that you addressed people saying you had a personality disorder by saying you would never diagnose someone online, and then turn around and do it to me..

Hun, I am going to let you go back to debating wikipedia in your mind since you obviously cannot debate me.

Edited to say that years of experience do not equate knowledge, I have been researching this for a lot longer than I have been actively doing it, I do not claim to be experienced at all, but I do know the basics

Edited because I went back and looked up when I said "we". I was actually referencing reading what masochists say to decribe themselves. Since I am a masochist I used the word "We" to recommend you read what WE say.




nefertari -> RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? (8/20/2006 6:03:21 PM)

For the record, I never said he had a personality disorder.  But since he has claimed, in more than one thread, that certain types of sadism are listed as one of the "symptoms" of a personality disorder I just wondered if he was familiar with Narcissitic Personality Disorder.  Was more tongue in cheek...all the me, me, me going on...and him throwing things like "sadism being indicative of a personality disorder".  You can certainly not diagnose anyone over the internet. That is just absurd.  Sheesh... 

Apparently, though, I hit a nerve on that one.






MzMinx -> RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? (8/20/2006 6:04:41 PM)

*grins at Emperer  and Julia* 




heartfeltsub -> RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? (8/20/2006 6:05:52 PM)

That is the problem with beating one's head against the wall, the wall never learns anything and all one gets for his or her trouble is a headache. You tried Julia and others.




juliaoceania -> RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? (8/20/2006 6:07:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: heartfeltsub

That is the problem with beating one's head against the wall, the wall never learns anything and all one gets for his or her trouble is a headache. You tried Julia and others.


I am an Aries, so I guess it comes with the territory, I am going to have to show this to Daddy, he will laugh at what an Aries I am...he he




Slipstreme -> RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? (8/20/2006 6:09:27 PM)

Yay more drama on the Collarchat board! :P

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What I mean by that is someone who gets pleasure from
inflicting sexual pain for their own pleasure


Au contraire. I for one, if given the chance, would enjoy thoroughly torturing a hapless victim in any way I so pleased. For one, slowly ripping their flesh apart, perhaps forcing them to deal with certain practices that, although artistic and ritualistic in nature, they avoid doing because they can't stand the thought of having their flesh turned human canvas. Perhaps turning them into a scientific experiment (a little acids and bases anyone?) Irregardless of whether it is sexual or not. Or in another circumstance, eventually lead said victim to believe that their death is inevitable and that there is no escape, to watch them fall apart at the seams, even if I planned on releaseing them physically unharmed. This sadomaso enjoys pain, all pain. Will I ever do it? Of course not. It's illegal.

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(No insult meant to the furries)


None taken. Although we like our sharp teeth and fangs, makes things all the more interesting. :P

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A "real pain slut" may have a night where the pain isn't pleasurable at all, or they just cannot take much. That is why warmup is essential before someone unknown to you starts wailing on you. And even if it is a regular partner


I'm rather strange in that I usually take well to little or no warmup, or a random style. Or at least, a harder warmup than many find comfortable. However, in my case, catch me doing art or school work, and beating me will only get the cold shoulder, and an icy no nonsense stare, a threat, and maybe retaliation.

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Slipstreme agrees with me on this, and I
am sure there are others.   It is often used as a "catch-all" term. 


I agree that it is often used that way, but I do not like it being used that way, because in my case, it infers that I am also in some way submissive, which I am not.

Expectations of service will only cause trouble between me and the Top/Doms I bottom to. I get defensive and shy away, if not outright complain when there is any attempt to control me. The scene stops there. I have come against two Doms, one who was able to get me over a bit of humilation (something I have been against because of school days, and I know he is trying to help me get over that past), and another, who's attempt was blocked the momment he tried to assert authority. I know this also has to do with my own insecurities because I do often feel that others expect me to be submissive when all Im interested in is the pain so I often feel I need to reiterate that I am a Dom, not a sub.

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By the way, I'm not a Top, a Domme or a Sadist, but you seem to bring all of that out in me.  I'm thinking it wouldn't be too hard to find someone who would want to inflict some pain on you....  


I'll do it! Hehehehehe.... Granted, I would do it regardless. Inflicting pain is fun, especially if they have their own toys, cause then I don't have to worry about getting their blood on mine (some of mine are only shared between me and my slave z, because said toys have drawn my blood).

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I believe she agreed that it is used as such, but I did not take it that she agreed it was correct to do so. 


Thank you catize. I don't like its general use one bit, but for different reasons posted above.




WhipTheHip -> RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? (8/20/2006 6:10:10 PM)

> Funny, I found this quote on the Joesphine thread

Jesus Christ, I quote from Wikipedia all the time.  I never quote
from Wikipedia to support some position I have.  When it comes
to facts like who is Josephine, Wikipedia does a fair job.  I still
wouldn't trust anything Wikipedia says, but at least it is a
good starting point for factual articles.  When it comes to
controversial articles where different people have different
points of view, it is has zero value.  When it comes to defining
words it has zero value. 
 
People are always vandalizing Wikipedia pages, so there is
always a good liklihood that any fact presented is incorrect.
I take everything in Wikipedia with a shaker of salt.
 




juliaoceania -> RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? (8/20/2006 6:16:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: WhipTheHip

> Funny, I found this quote on the Joesphine thread

Jesus Christ, I quote from Wikipedia all the time.  I never quote
from Wikipedia to support some position I have.  When it comes
to facts like who is Josephine, Wikipedia does a fair job.  I still
wouldn't trust anything Wikipedia says, but at least it is a
good starting point for factual articles.  When it comes to
controversial articles where different people have different
points of view, it is has zero value.  When it comes to defining
words it has zero value. 
 
People are always vandalizing Wikipedia pages, so there is
always a good liklihood that any fact presented is incorrect.
I take everything in Wikipedia with a shaker of salt.
 



The wikipedia entry was much like the diagnostic manual and the dictionary definition: both of which I have since posted, why not address the FACT that masochism and sadism are not measured in degrees for "realness"... and yes this goes to the heart of your questions to this board about themselves.




Slipstreme -> RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? (8/20/2006 6:16:40 PM)

Ok, I can't find the "I don't know what a furry is" post. But, whoever said it, I have a journal entry on the matter if you want to read it that breaks down what a furry is in my eyes, and I assume, most furries' eyes.




WhipTheHip -> RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? (8/20/2006 6:16:46 PM)

> Do you realize that this has some striking differences to the published
> definition and the criteria laid out in the DSM
 
The DSM-IV-TR entries on sexuality are based on research collected solely
from convicted felons.  Long ago, I had lengthy conversations with John Berlin
and John Money.   They admit their studies are skewed because they only
study people referred to them by the criminal justice system.  Very little
research gets done on human sexuality, because the government is not
willing to sponsor such research.   




heartfeltsub -> RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? (8/20/2006 6:18:43 PM)

Not really into horoscopes much, but Aries, the symbol is a Ram? Something incredibly hard-headed?




juliaoceania -> RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? (8/20/2006 6:19:11 PM)

Come on really,

How many people need to agree with the definition posted for you to consider it standard... this is getting ridiculous

Edited to say that most people I know agree on the definition, meaning it is the standard from which you can by choice deviate




Slipstreme -> RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? (8/20/2006 6:20:16 PM)

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The DSM-IV-TR entries on sexuality are based on research collected solely
from convicted felons


Yep, that is their problem. That's why, when reading it, I could only roll my eyes and shake my head.




juliaoceania -> RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? (8/20/2006 6:21:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: heartfeltsub

Not really into horoscopes much, but Aries, the symbol is a Ram? Something incredibly hard-headed?


Hence the term is used in relation to "battering ram"..

Scorpio rising doesn't make my stubborn streak any easier, a true testament to my submissive nature that I will squelch it for the right One.. smiles




WhipTheHip -> RE: Ideal fantasy top? Ideal fantasy bottom? (8/20/2006 6:23:21 PM)


Dear Juliaceania:

>  find it funny that you addressed people saying you had a personality
> disorder by saying you would never diagnose someone online, and then
> turn around and do it to me..

I never said anyone here had a personality disorder, I have no idea what
you are talking about.  You keep making false accusations and attributing
to me things I never said.

 
Michael




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