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RE: It is impossible to travel through time because tim... - 8/22/2006 8:00:03 AM

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However, according to my sources, the son of God was named Brian. Some Brits made a documentary out of it.

Nope, you are wrong. I have it on good authority that Brian wasn't the messiah, he was just a vert naughty boy.

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RE: It is impossible to travel through time because tim... - 8/22/2006 8:41:15 AM

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If you really want to understand the universe and/or time travel then watch these video clips. It was a one-hour show on PBS.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/program.html

I watch it everytime it comes on and I doze off! It boggles my mind.. but I'm going to continue to try to understand it. I think the string IS the thing.

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RE: It is impossible to travel through time because tim... - 8/22/2006 8:45:45 AM

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"Who does not love the Doctor?"

...the Master, of course............

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And the Daleks, the Cybermen, and a few hundred minor despots, mad scientists, warmongers.....

Sssshhhhh.........We are now exposing all our geekyness in public.....jelly baby anyone?

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RE: It is impossible to travel through time because tim... - 8/22/2006 8:58:37 AM

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Michio Kaku, internationally renowned physicist is fascinating to watch in an interview. Here's an interview conducted by Scientific American:
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa004&articleID=0000AB94-4016-1FBE-801683414B7F0000

And here is his website. The publications section is quite interesting. His writings on "Beyond Einstein" are really something, but his writings on time travel can be found under "Hyperspace.":
http://www.mkaku.org/

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RE: It is impossible to travel through time because tim... - 8/22/2006 9:24:22 AM

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I had a blast with Jane Robert’s “The Oversoul Seven Trilogy”…especially “Oversoul Seven and the Museum of Time” …was great fun considering the different ways to look at ‘time’. I think these books can change lives…and certainly explain deep concepts (truths as I see them) in a really lively, fictional format.

I find these three little books right up there with Fritzof Capera’s “The Tao of Physics”. Yummmmmmm …brain candy!

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RE: It is impossible to travel through time because tim... - 8/22/2006 10:17:48 AM

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I had a blast with Jane Robert’s “The Oversoul Seven Trilogy”…especially “Oversoul Seven and the Museum of Time” …was great fun considering the different ways to look at ‘time’. I think these books can change lives…and certainly explain deep concepts (truths as I see them) in a really lively, fictional format.

I find these three little books right up there with Fritzof Capera’s “The Tao of Physics”. Yummmmmmm …brain candy!

beverly

I loved the Oversoul 7 books. The concept of time described as the three dimentional chessboard made sense; as in how one move on one level influenced the others. I wonder what ever happened to Jane?

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RE: It is impossible to travel through time because tim... - 8/22/2006 10:19:14 AM

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She died some years ago... I believe her husband is still publishing her 'notes'

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RE: It is impossible to travel through time because tim... - 8/22/2006 10:19:42 AM

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ok, I guess I should have known it had been discussed before.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_432795/mpage_1/key_time%2Ctravel/tm.htm

WOW...deja`vu

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RE: It is impossible to travel through time because tim... - 8/22/2006 10:38:35 AM

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Of course time travel is possible, didn't you see that 1979 movie called "Time after Time" with Malcolm McDowell as HG Wells and David Warner as Jack the Ripper? See you go back and forth in time you never know what you might bring into the future with you.

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RE: It is impossible to travel through time because tim... - 8/22/2006 10:39:44 AM

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Of course time travel is possible, didn't you see that 1979 movie called "Time after Time" with Malcolm McDowell as HG Wells and David Warner as Jack the Ripper? See you go back and forth in time you never know what you might bring into the future with you.

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Somewhere in Time is another one :)

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RE: It is impossible to travel through time because tim... - 8/22/2006 11:58:00 AM

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Sssshhhhh.........We are now exposing all our geekyness in public.....jelly baby anyone?

Oh, like I've ever hidden my "geekyness".

Maybe that's why I can't get a date....

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RE: It is impossible to travel through time because tim... - 8/22/2006 12:19:26 PM

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RE: It is impossible to travel through time because tim... - 8/22/2006 1:43:39 PM

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It can be travelled because time is a function or characteristic of space (or distance). It gets sloppy because we sometimes call it time-space.

It isn't a characteristic of space.
Time is defined by events. As a month is defined by humans to be a certain number of days. It exists only as a construct.
Because certain things happen at regular intervals compared to other things, we can define a certain number of the events to represent a period of time. Time does not exist. Events happen. After the event happens it is done.

The confusion of it being a thing, comes from the need to use time intervals as a crucial part of most measure. Speed and energy etc need a time definition in order to give full measure to them. But it is only an arbitrary construct.

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RE: It is impossible to travel through time because tim... - 8/22/2006 1:51:28 PM

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Exactly! We're linear thinkers... we invented time to make life easier to 'remember'.

At least that's how I think of it...

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RE: It is impossible to travel through time because tim... - 8/22/2006 3:13:25 PM

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Didn't you use to be Kedikat--with a K?

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RE: It is impossible to travel through time because tim... - 8/22/2006 5:33:55 PM

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Time travel is my expertise.   Let suppose you traveled back into time one second. Where would you be?
You would be were you were one second ago. But one second ago your old self occupied that space.
So if you materialized one second into the past you would have two bodies existing in the exact same
place.   If you traveled backward through time you would be constantly hitting objects from the past or
constant materializing in space where air atoms existed.   If you have two atoms occupying the exact
same spot, you have big problems.    But there is a way to travel into the past without going backwards
in time.   It is my belief that all black holes lead to the big bang.   So if you were to enter a black hole
and weren't turn apart, you would find yourself back at the big bang. But blacks holes take a different
route back to the past than the route you took going into the future, so you wouldn't see human history
go backwards.   What you would see is a universe where entropy decreases, where space-time gets
smaller and smaller, where the universe gets hotter because more and more matter-energy is getting
packed into a smaller and smaller space-time. Eventually it all reaches a quantum opening and
spews forth into the big bang that created our universe.

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RE: It is impossible to travel through time because tim... - 8/22/2006 6:00:35 PM

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OK, then why aren't we having big bangs all over the universe? There are black holes everywhere, and some are quite old.

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RE: It is impossible to travel through time because tim... - 8/22/2006 9:02:06 PM

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Ahem !

I have had a bad week, thus I hve decided to do this. I hve a bit of a different slant on all this and I will try to present it clearly.
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First of all time is more than simply a human concept. When celestial bodies were cruising around in their orbits before the dawn of mankind, they were taking TIME to do it. Agreed, all our measurements are our concepts, but I would say time is real. We can apply our own unts to the time intervals used by celestial bodies to traverse their path. Indeed we do when we maesure time.

Let me draw an analogy here. This is a pretty smart group and I bet at least a few of you know Ohm's law. Current in amps is what flows when you apply a voltage. With the equation, one volt across one ohm induces one amp of current to flow. This dissppates one watt.

If you apply the same volt to two ohms, only ½ an amp flows. This dissipates one half watt.

Volts are passively measureable, as are amps. Ohm invented ohms as the ratio between the two. In other words, ohms are a physical property of every material, but ohms are totally manmade. Actually so are amps and volts. They are merely our expressions of the phenomena. But it does exist.

Time, like ohms, had to be concieved to be understood. Not that we understand time, but we do understand ohms, otherwise all your electronics would not work. Ohms are possibly described correctly as our quantification of the concept. It is almost impossible to teach a concept verbally without such refernce points, therefore such things are useful. This allows it to be expressed mathematically, also helpful.

I don't think we are ever going to be able to travel time. This is based on what I know and some of what I suppose. It is my opinion. However I am not saying the subject shouldn't be explored. The first person to travel time could surely rule the world.

OK, so for the purpose of discussion let's say time travel is possible. First of all, I totally dismiss the special theory of relativity. This theory suggests that a body traveling has an effect on time to the nearby bodies. To me this is absurd.

Here is what you got, the Doppler effect. Forget the news, put in "doppler effect" in Google if you don't know what it is. We have a red shift in certain stars and a blue shift on others in the spectrograph. This is empirical reasoning. This is the same thing as the train whistle that lowers in pitch as it passes you.

Now this is relative motion, but believe me, in space there is alot more relative motion. We are lucky things are far apart enough.

Now just taking the doppler effect in it's true form, what if you were a ray of light traveling at the same speed and in the same direction as another, I say we would be matter in a different universe.

Now comes the conclusion that since light is emittted omnidirectionally in our universe, it would probably be so in others. Thus, given all the vectors on which light could travel (infinite), if this theory holds true there are an infinite number of universes. This discards the special theory, does not contradict the original theory, in fact in some ways I think the original theory might express this theory.

Somebody ask and I'll get into that, but not right now. I think I'm over the ten paragraph 'limit'.

I'll be baaack.

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RE: It is impossible to travel through time because tim... - 8/22/2006 11:14:25 PM

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Yes Virginia there is no Santa Claus.... and time does not exist... time is simply a unit of measure for "elapsed time".

If you wonder what time it "is" and look at any clock, you will only know what time it "was" then, as the time it "was" when you wondered what time it "is" has already elapsed... a no-brainer!

Within this rationale one could argue that there is only the present and the past... further that the present becomes the past realtime... before your very eyes, and quite literally all there is... would only actually constitute the "past".

In reality everything you speak, do or think is in your past... there is no "now", only "then".... you cannot stop time, all you can do is chase or run from it in your head.

Numerous "past" songs elude to this... for instance, Pink Floyd's "Time".... Ian Anderson and Jethro Tull's "Living in the past"...

You cannot stop or travel within other units of measure either, such as an inch, foot, yard, meter, mile, light year, dollar, tablespoon, gallon, quart, huge, small..... just as you could not stop or travel within a color. Let's take red for instance... red is a measure of a visible portion of the color frequency spectrum which human eyes are capable of seeing a portion of.... if we were more perceptive we'd possibly have infrared as a clairol hair color choice.

What time "is" it you ask? Well.... it "was" 0'dark thirty when you asked....

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RE: It is impossible to travel through time because tim... - 8/23/2006 12:22:16 AM

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OK, then why aren't we having big bangs all over the universe? There are black holes everywhere, and some are quite old.

Good question. Imagine a water fountain with lots of drains. All the drains tie together and feed the fountain.
Likewise all black holes are drains, they all tie together. This doesn't happen by accident.

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