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WhipTheHip -> RE: It is impossible to travel through time because time does not exist. (8/23/2006 12:25:43 AM)

The big question is if time exists like a spatial dimension.   The only thing we observe is the present. 
The question arises does the past still exist, or is it gone forever.   And does the future exist to
someone in the present.  Apparantly not.




WhipTheHip -> RE: It is impossible to travel through time because time does not exist. (8/23/2006 2:44:55 AM)

Maybe all that exists are just a lot of present times.  Maybe the future does not yet exist,
and maybe the past is history.  If  this is true, objectes don't move through time..  If
this is true time changes from one minute to the next, but nothing moves through time.




twicehappy -> RE: It is impossible to travel through time because time does not exist. (8/23/2006 3:37:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Dauric

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ORIGINAL: twicehappy

Sssshhhhh.........We are now exposing all our geekyness in public.....jelly baby anyone?


Oh, like I've ever hidden my "geekyness".


I am not a geek, i am an ultra cool leather wearing, tits baring, Jack drinking biker chic!




twicehappy -> RE: It is impossible to travel through time because time does not exist. (8/23/2006 3:39:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

OK, then why aren't we having big bangs all over the universe?  There are black holes everywhere, and some are quite old.


You are enjoying big bangs and did not invite the rest of us? I'm telling Peach!

Do not invite any experts though, i'd rather just enjoy the bang, not have it analyzed to death.




Lordandmaster -> RE: It is impossible to travel through time because time does not exist. (8/23/2006 10:54:20 AM)

Well, Peach was present at the last big bang.




popeye1250 -> RE: It is impossible to travel through time because time does not exist. (8/23/2006 11:55:18 AM)

Try being late for your own wedding.
You'll findout if "time" exists or not.




NorthernSwitch11 -> RE: It is impossible to travel through time because time does not exist. (8/23/2006 2:47:54 PM)

no matter how much i try and understand and how many posts or articles i read i always find my brain hurting when trying to understand the theories relating to time travel.  The only test i ever really thought proved anything which could be understood by your average joe i.e. me was the twin clock experiment.  Firstly even the most crude versions of these clocks lose something like 1 second every 32,000 years and since then they have been improved upon ten fold.  Basically they were made identically, tested to see if they followed time together, then one was sent on a nice plane ride around the world while the other sat at home.  The results were the one on the plane once recovered and compared with the other had lost sync and they were fractions of a second appart.  This experiment has been repeated many times, using different clocks, more clocks, better clocks and the results are always the same.  I guess its the lamens experiment as you dont have to understand all the physics you just know that for some reason one has measured time more slowly when travelling at great speed and a different level of gravity.  Now my head hurts again. 




SirKenin -> RE: It is impossible to travel through time because time does not exist. (8/23/2006 3:26:08 PM)

There is an interesting paradox to consider when you ponder the possibility of time travel...  Consider this:

You travel back in time and somehow manage to kill your mother.  If you do this, you would not have been born.  Therefore you would never have travelled back in time.  Thus you would never have killed your mother.  Ad infinitum.

As if that does not make your brain hurt.  [8D]




MrDiscipline44 -> RE: It is impossible to travel through time because time does not exist. (8/23/2006 3:44:40 PM)

Thats nothin, Kenin. What about the guy that goes back in time and boinks a woman, inadvertantly getting her pregnant. When he learns her full name (because names aren't important in the begining) he realises she has the same last name as his father and then realises this young woman looks vaguely familiar. Thus becoming his own grandpa. How fucked up is that?




NastyDaddy -> RE: It is impossible to travel through time because time does not exist. (8/23/2006 3:51:37 PM)

It's actually a multi-dimensional paradox in that the time traveler can not remain in either the past or the future, whether they kill Mom or do anything at all... they must return to the present, from whence they came... and they must get it right the first "time".





Termyn8or -> RE: It is impossible to travel through time because time does not exist. (8/23/2006 4:00:26 PM)

Nasty, interesting. I would also not that nobody can ever know what time it is. When the measuring device you see strikes midnight for example, it is already past midnight. At the very least by as much time as it took for the reflected light to travel from the clock or whatever to your eyes.

Whip, I don't think we can say that all black holes deposit their gleanings to one part of space. There are some things we simply will never know. If I were very old and living several centuries in the future, and owned a spaceship, I would fly into one. I would then have the knowledge, but could never impart it to anyone, if light can't get out of there nothing else can. Sorta like death, you read about near death experiences, but it was from living people. I know a guy who died twice, he is outside fixing my car right now. That means he didn't gie. His body may have stopped functioning, but not permanently. He is not fixing my car by astral projection.

If anyone ever actually achieves time travel, they better be damn smart. they could anihilate themselves with one word. I wrote of this in a fictional work, and I have given it alot of thought. First of all what would yoiu do ?

First of all you can'[t get rid of your enemies beforehand, if you did you change your timeline so drastically you would not be the same person. A similar problem happens when you change historical events, like if I were to fix it so the south won the civil war.

The US would be alot more unlikely to get into WW2 and my Parents would not exist. Therefore I would not exist. If I go back into my own past I could give myself winning lottery numbers or who knows what. Again, if it was long ago I wouldn't be the same.

Most of the time, time travel, which should be illegal, would be done for personal gain. That might mean passing of gambling results to the past, but I would suggest that it only be done for a month or something. In other words if I went decades into the past, got myself set for life and destroyed a few enemies, or potential enemies, my own personal history is changed. Therefore the person that I am today does not exist. I don't want that.

Travelling to the future is another option, but there are a few things about that which will not go away. Let's say I decide to go to the future and bring me back some advanced technology. Up until my departure my timeline is intact, but thereafter who knows. There are additionally many problems, first of all, I would most likely not have any money, scrip, credit account or identity. I also do not know what I am looking at, it may be a police state with checkpoints and all the high tech is protected.

I have no way to steal and no way to buy. If recognised as being from the past I might be considered a ciminal, by them. After all I would be fucking with their timeline. I doubt the truth would get me much help.

Like that Twilight Zone where the guy is off the noose and in the big city a few hundred years later. He is not ready for it. For all I know the language may have changed as well. So I would be there with no identity, no money and nothing to offer.

Let's face it, if someone came up to you and said "I am from the past here getting information to take back with me", what would you say ? I would tell the guy to go pound salt. This is not just my future you intend to fuck with, it is my past. The past that created me how I am.

I can see no possible incentive to do that.

Time travel is probably a bad idea all the way around. I illustrated the point in my book. The fictional character who had been in suspended animation for 400 years went back to see his old GF. He wanted to tell her he was alright and she should go ahaed and try to be happy. When she told him she wished he had come 20 years ago he did just that.

Once he did that she made different life decisions and married a boyfriend she hadn't before, not knowing her beloved was gone for good. In that year she only knew him to be missing, it wasn't that long.

Well she marries the guy and after the familiarity sets in he becomes abusive, and almost kills her. Cripples her for sure. You know what the main character wanted to do, but he can't. He could, but not without risking everything in the new present.

Actually in the book there were people around who kept him from going back and killing the creep, they talked him out of it and would've physically prevented him from doing it if necessary. The thing is, if anyone ever discovers how to travel in time, they will not have any such constraints or advice. If they don't think it through they could easily change their own past enough so they might not exist.

Let me sum my opinion up. Even though I don't think time travel is possible, I cannot say that it is impossible. I'd bet my bottom dollar that it will not happen in our lifetime. If I lose I lose, but I cannot say that it never will, all I can hope is that the person who does it is intelligent enough not to destroy us all.

T




NastyDaddy -> RE: It is impossible to travel through time because time does not exist. (8/23/2006 4:02:44 PM)

I think I saw that movie... Time Rider, starring Fred Ward as a motocross racer flung back in time to the wild west. It was hilarious watching the outlaws trying to get ahold of that "machine" (motorcycle).... The soundtrack was done by Mike Nesbitt, one of the Monkees.  It was a good film that displays the time travel paradox reflected in a few posts, but of course Hollywood'ized as well, to include a romance and literally banging your great great granny.

Pulp Fiction also paid homage to the significance of "time" with Christopher Walken wearing the POW buddie's watch up his ass, but not sure if that watch still worked?

Time is money... figure it out and you guarantee yourself plenty of each!





WhipTheHip -> RE: It is impossible to travel through time because time does not exist. (8/23/2006 4:46:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SirKenin
There is an interesting paradox to consider when you ponder the possibility of time travel...  Consider this:
You travel back in time and somehow manage to kill your mother.  If you do this, you would not have been born.  Therefore you would never have travelled back in time.  Thus you would never have killed your mother.  Ad infinitum.
As if that does not make your brain hurt.  [8D]


There are a lot of possibilities here.  If you kill your mother before you were born, that would mean there are two pasts.  One where you were born and one where you weren't.  The real problam with traveling into the past is materializing in the same space being occupied by other atoms.  And we all know what happens when
two atoms try to occupy the same space..





philosophy -> RE: It is impossible to travel through time because time does not exist. (8/24/2006 1:59:08 AM)

"And we all know what happens when
two atoms try to occupy the same space.. "

yup...the one that has more energy moves the other one out of the way.
Happens all the time in any gas or liquid.
Were you thinking of matter and anti-matter perhaps?




Arpig -> RE: It is impossible to travel through time because time does not exist. (8/24/2006 2:22:36 AM)

This per Aristotle.....
Time consists of 3 parts: past, present & future. In order for time to exist, there MUST be a past, and a future, and there must be a present to delimit the two.
However the present has no duration, and so does not exist in time, and therefore since there is no present, to delimit the past and the future, time cannot exist...yet it does [:)]

This is a very quick summary of what he had to say on time in his book Metaphysics (I wrote a paper on it back in grade 10 or 11).




twicehappy -> RE: It is impossible to travel through time because time does not exist. (8/24/2006 3:33:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Well, Peach was present at the last big bang.



Pictures........roflmao........

Sorry LAM i am in a mischevious mood.

PS; i like her she seems very sweet and intelligent.




mnottertail -> RE: It is impossible to travel through time because time does not exist. (8/24/2006 4:40:43 AM)

Yeah, I read that thread too, and I object to the statement that einstein said  anything about relativistic effects and cartesian space,  the opening of his book faults the cartesian space as being flawed and recommends minkowski space.......think of a sewing tape as opposed to a nuns knucklebuster ruler. More precisely think of a net of flexible measuring tapes large enough that can be thrown over ponderable objects.

Other than that, einstein said that time travel is theoretically possible but the final word from him  was 'Time as we understand it, does not flow from present to past'.  Therefore, if possible at all, one could only travel to the future.

This is why there really ain't any 'Good old Days'. Additionally, there must be time because all really good blowjobs end.  That is very evidentiary experience of the phenomenon of time.

I have to leave for work now, I have no  time.


Ron

       




WhipTheHip -> RE: It is impossible to travel through time because time does not exist. (8/24/2006 7:03:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: philosophy
"And we all know what happens when
two atoms try to occupy the same space.. "
yup...the one that has more energy moves the other one out of the way.
Happens all the time in any gas or liquid.
Were you thinking of matter and anti-matter perhaps?


If you are moving through time not space, you don't move
anything out of the way, you just materialize in an earlier
time, in which case many of your atoms will likely find
themselves occupying the exact same space as other
atoms.  Something moving at us from the future would
not move anything out of the way.  It would suddenly
materialize in our time frame, then disappear into the
past.




NastyDaddy -> RE: It is impossible to travel through time because time does not exist. (8/24/2006 7:45:07 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: philosophy

"And we all know what happens when
two atoms try to occupy the same space.. "

yup...the one that has more energy moves the other one out of the way.
Happens all the time in any gas or liquid.
Were you thinking of matter and anti-matter perhaps?



Are not matter and anti-matter merely theoretical, just as time travel? Anti-matter being the counterpart of matter, and associated along the lines of parallel universes.... is the earth and it's carbon based lifeforms made up of carbon matter or carbon anti-matter...

The displacement of free electrons in an atom is a fundamental aspect of electrical current flow... the pushing of free electrons by a force of larger energy. Conductors of electrical energy all share the quality of free electrons.... non-cunductors (insulators) have no free electrons thus do not conduct electrical flow.  The higher the current flow from a high energy potential (amperage), the closer conductors get to melting or simply vaporizing... as do fuses, and arc welders.

Electrical current flow does not split atoms as in nuclear fission, it displaces free negatively charged electrons, and does not affect the protons in the nucleus of the atom (only the orbiting negative electrons)... unless the capacity of the conductor in use is exceeded.... then melting, or vaporizing occurs as it destroys the facilitating vehicle (conductor).

 




philosophy -> RE: It is impossible to travel through time because time does not exist. (8/24/2006 7:59:42 AM)

"Something moving at us from the future would
not move anything out of the way.  It would suddenly

materialize in our time frame, then disappear into the
past."
 
if you haven't already, may i suggest you read 'Flatland' by Edwin A Abbot.

"If you are moving through time not space, you don't move
anything out of the way, you just materialize in an earlier

time,"
 
...and how do you know this?




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