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Dealing With Death...Please Help - 8/22/2006 9:48:37 AM   
JerseyKrissi72


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My Master passed away on June 28 of this year. We were together for a year r/l and we shared so much in such a short period of time. It was always His desire for me to continue on in the lifestyle and be happy if he were to pass away..I stood by his side, a total of five days while he was in the hospital until he took his last breath. I want to move on, I have a wonderful support system where I live but I feel like another man touching me would be cheating on him....Part of me feels like I should continue wearing his collar and spend the rest of my life alone even though I know that is not what he would have wanted...any suggestions on  how I can learn to move on? Thankyou.

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RE: Dealing With Death...Please Help - 8/22/2006 9:56:53 AM   
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Give yourself more time to BE yourself.  If it doesn't feel right, then why push it upon yourself?  You should be going out and still living an active life, but that doesn't mean you need to be dating or finding another partner. 

One good book I suggest is "On Death and Dying." 

Otherwise, please stop adding onto your troubles by thinking just a few months later you should be back to normal. 

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RE: Dealing With Death...Please Help - 8/22/2006 9:59:52 AM   
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Well...I have never been in your position, so take this advice for what you think it's worth.  You said yourself that his wish was for you to continue on and be happy.  Go with that.  Give yourself time to grieve and collect yourself.  Focus on yourself right now.  Do what makes you happy.  Things that would honor his wishes.  Don't let others pressure you into anything you're not ready for.  Just do for you right now.  The rest will fall into place as the time becomes right. 

I'm very sorry for your loss, and wish you the best for the future...

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RE: Dealing With Death...Please Help - 8/22/2006 10:00:57 AM   
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Do the basic work of grieving...that takes time.  A lot of people hold on to the pain of the grief however, once it would be better to let go because they that if they let go of the pain they will have nothing left.  Find ways to celebrate your love to him and give yourself permission when the time comes to let go and be happy again.

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RE: Dealing With Death...Please Help - 8/22/2006 10:01:39 AM   
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I am on the other end My submissive dies a couple months ago without notice.... such a shock... but I know he would not Me to not take another in fact W/we were looking for another when he passed. Let yourself grieve but remember He always wanted what is best for you.... and it is never good for a sub/slave to be without an Master/Mistress or visa versa...

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RE: Dealing With Death...Please Help - 8/22/2006 10:07:22 AM   
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i am soo sorry for your pain and loss.  Perhaps now is not the time to search - but just to walk thru that natural grieving process.  It is quite ok to feel what you are feeling.  my heart hurts for you - but i know that time does help aid in the process.  Take time to love Him - remember Him - keep Him in the corner of your heart.  Take solace in the comfort of friends/family during this time.  Allow yourself to heal.

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RE: Dealing With Death...Please Help - 8/22/2006 10:20:37 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: JerseyKrissi72

My Master passed away on June 28 of this year. We were together for a year r/l and we shared so much in such a short period of time. It was always His desire for me to continue on in the lifestyle and be happy if he were to pass away..I stood by his side, a total of five days while he was in the hospital until he took his last breath. I want to move on, I have a wonderful support system where I live but I feel like another man touching me would be cheating on him....Part of me feels like I should continue wearing his collar and spend the rest of my life alone even though I know that is not what he would have wanted...any suggestions on  how I can learn to move on? Thankyou.


I would suggest not rushing the grieving process.  Its not even 2 months.  If you feel like you should still wear the collar, than do so.  If you feel like you need to keep him close to you, theres nothing wrong with that.  When its time for you to think about another man moving into the place that your late Master used to occupy, you will know it.  And when that time comes,  you can console yourself with the fact that your Master wanted you to move on without guilt.  I doubt you want to live your life alone and from what you say, its not what your Master wanted for you.  But youre probably better off alone (Masterless) for now, so you can allow all the pieces to shift into place and come to terms with this before you can move on.  Theres so much to process when a person you love passes away.  Ive never lost a Master, but Ive lost loved ones, and I can say that the process of getting past it, happens quite naturally, but it does take some time.  The amount of time varies of course,

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RE: Dealing With Death...Please Help - 8/22/2006 10:21:49 AM   
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I'm so sorry that you're experiencing this grief. But, don't feel that you have to push on into another relationship right away. How would you feel if your husband had died? Would you start dating right away? Grief is grief...and we all work through it in our own way. Time really does help. you'll never stop missing him, but over time, the sharp pain will not be so sharp. Honest.

Look into some grief recovery information. Here's a start:
http://web4health.info/en/answers/life-grief-overcome.htm

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RE: Dealing With Death...Please Help - 8/22/2006 11:53:08 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

Give yourself more time to BE yourself.  If it doesn't feel right, then why push it upon yourself?  You should be going out and still living an active life, but that doesn't mean you need to be dating or finding another partner. 

Otherwise, please stop adding onto your troubles by thinking just a few months later you should be back to normal. 


I agree! You need more time.

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RE: Dealing With Death...Please Help - 8/22/2006 12:26:22 PM   
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I have been where you are. I lost my Domnant after 14 years together. All I can tell you is that it takes time. There is no right or wrong way to grieve. How much time? Again, it's all very individual.

This is still fresh to you as are the conversations you had with him during his final time here on earth. I can tell you I was in no way ready to move on a month and a half after his death. I think in time your current feeling to keep wearing his collar and live alone with your memories will lessen, for now, it is just where you are. Perfectly natural.

Feel free to e mail me on the other side if you would like to.
My condolences to you.

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RE: Dealing With Death...Please Help - 8/22/2006 2:19:19 PM   
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Krissi sorry to hear of your loss  

I loathe the whole 'move on' babble ... move on?  life's not a highway with a no stopping 100 km minimum speed limit in the fast lane and somethings just bumped you into it ... 'moving on' says leave it all behind... like it's wrong or you're failing, not coping, if you happen to well up when a song reminds you he really has gone and all you ache to do is hold him one more time.   'Moving on' is something you feel ...when you wake up one day, and the sun's a little brighter, and you feel yourself anticipating your todays more than you are craving your yesterdays ... you can't learn to 'move on' we just adapt to life's changes and hope that we do. 
 
Promise me you will take it slow finding another Master...and that you'll look for him because you miss the d/s dynamic not because you are missing your man.  *flower*
 
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RE: Dealing With Death...Please Help - 8/22/2006 2:46:47 PM   
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Krissi,

There are no majic words that I can say to help you. I truly wish there were.  All I can say is what I think and feel and hope in some way it helps you.  If in your heart you feel that your Master would want you to continue forward on your journey, then as His slave you should honor Him and do as He would wish.  As you probably already know, being a slave is seldom easy, and obeying your Master's "final" command will probably be the hardest you have ever done.  But, if it is what He wanted, then to honor Him, it is what you must do.  I wish you well in what ever you decide.  Know, that while we will probably never cross paths, I will remember you and offer my prayers from time to time.

Be Well,
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RE: Dealing With Death...Please Help - 8/22/2006 4:07:48 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: JerseyKrissi72

Part of me feels like I should continue wearing his collar and spend the rest of my life alone even though I know that is not what he would have wanted...any suggestions on  how I can learn to move on? Thankyou.



Stop trying to move on and simply take each day as it comes. Accept your emotions will function like a rollercoaster and this is perfectly normal. You will undoubtedly have large blocks of time to fill and probably be unsure what to do with yourself. All of the above is normal and will take a concerted effort and the passing of time to overcome. I do advise that you allow yourself to feel. When the tears come allow them to spill, but then dry your cheeks and continue on with the day.

Journaling has been known to help when we are grieving. It is important that you remain in touch with your emotions and face them head on. Burying your head in the sand won't lessen the pain or the ache that you live with. Finding a support network is ideal and don't be afraid to share your experiences with others. Rest assured you are not the first nor last that will lose a partner. We all will endure this at some point.

You mentioned spending a year together. Why not chronicle your experience as a tribute to him and a way to solidify the lessons learned and knowledge gained? You may be surprised at how far you've come and how inspiring your words will be to the next person standing on the threshold you've crossed. If I could offer you any advice I would suggest that you hold on to your faith. Don't neglect yourself or all the wonderful things you discovered in the process. Remember his words and the guidance he offered. It remains if you listen closely. When the moment arrives for you to let go and begin anew with another you will know it.

I wish you peace and the cessation of the ache you carry within.

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RE: Dealing With Death...Please Help - 8/22/2006 4:43:10 PM   
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Krissi, two years ago I lost the most wonderful girl in the world.  She had been collared to me for 6 years.  I lost her to brain cancer, which was a long fight,  I stayed with her a month in the hospital, took care of her at home, waited on her hand a foot until one day....My world stopped....My heart shattered....Everything lost meaning....I didnt want to cook, clean, do anything.....didnt want anyone around.....It was utter Hell.  After several months I played occasionally, but not with the same dynamics I ever had....Everyone noticed I was broken.....Then one night, at a dungeon, the most adorable woman asked me to scene with her....We were together about 2 years.....at times it didnt feel right at first.....but I know that my dearest Torilynn would have loved her as well.
It takes time, but it will heal little one......the pain will never go away, the memories never stop....but in time it will be okay.

My best wishes little one
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RE: Dealing With Death...Please Help - 8/22/2006 5:24:20 PM   
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Dear JerseyKrissi72, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
My deepest regrets for your individual loss and to those fellow posting, of their losses.
 
I have been around three decades in the lifestyle; loosing a Master in my young 'lifestyle' life, as he was old when he took me on and his circle were old men when I was in my late teens and early twenties.
When I became a Master to my first slave, as we both were overseas we had to part ways as military transfers and in my slave's case--was the "real" master.  He was later killed in action.  I've stood at friend's side as the case would be, either slave or Master was dying --the horrid HIV virus was the modern blight through the community.  Often there to support the survivor.
 
As so many have spoken well on, taking your time through the process is paramount.  People grieve differently.  Some get a delay in the grief process.  Some look like they manage fine yet, inside they are broken.
 
Even if it is not scene related, passing of my parent was right before teaching a "master's training."  It was awful for me to loose a parent, having another one who was unable to care for themselves, so perhaps it might be a double hit.  I got through my grief by having a group of wonderful slaves lavishing love and support, hugging and petting me.  My grief started after the academy was over. 
 
When I lost my Master, it wasn't so hard as I was prepared for death, as he was an older Master and at age 70, it was good of him to do so.
I think surprise deaths, such as sudden deaths are what hurts the most.
It isn't like we have time to say good-bye or have affairs in order.

When I lost my former slave, being my first has special meanings that any "First" has.  The slaves who came afterward, have been wonderful indeed. 

I will add that, even when there is a parting of ways, such as going alive in two different directions, when a relationship ends also comes with grief and a feeling of death.  The richness of a M/s or D/s relationship roots deep, like any marriage or parent/child relationship, so any loss--especially death is grave and requires people to grieve in their own way, own time and only then will the time come where someone else comes to open the door to new relationships but, never to replace the one or those many lost before.

Sincerely,
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RE: Dealing With Death...Please Help - 8/22/2006 5:39:35 PM   
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Krissi - I was in your exact same position - my Dominant of seven years unexpectedly passed away and I had the same almost knee jerk reaction as you're having.  Not only was I dealing with the loss, it was hard not having that special someone there to hold me, to snuggle up with in bed, to call (I must've picked up the phone a hundred times before it would all come crashing back again...).  Please remember that you're adjusting and that because you got so used to sharing everything with someone else you're mourning not only the loss of him, but of the life that -you- had as well.

I was tempted to jump right back into the scene as well, and after about six months I did... and made some *horrible* decisions.  Please give yourself time to process everything that is going on inside of you before diving back in - you'll be happier for it.  Now it's almost three years later and I'm with somebody that I can *fully* be with and while I'll always hold my love for my Dominant that passed... The One that I'm with now can have all of me freely.  It will happen for you too.

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RE: Dealing With Death...Please Help - 8/22/2006 7:25:41 PM   
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I am sorry to hear about your loss. I won't say for you to move on and look ahead, as each of us needs to take greive in our own time. If you feel you should still wear his collar, then that is what you should do. It has only been 2 months. I wish you well and hope that you will find comfort.

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RE: Dealing With Death...Please Help - 8/22/2006 8:07:19 PM   
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krissi, My condolences for you loss. that he was loved deeply by you is evedent and perhaps this was the greatest gift you could give him, allowing him to die knowing your love.

There is no easy way to deal with the death of a loved one or the death of comrads in arms or just a close friend. Death is a natural state as is birth. We face birth alone as we face death alone both are a Rite of Passage.. I have faced the death of my parents as I have facedthe deaths of my troopers and collegues (often in my arms) in one troubled spot or another in diverse places on the globe.. I am cross posting something I posted in the Gorean form a few days ago for I deem that it may be of some value to someone here.

"Just a side note on the subject of death. I firmly believe that there needs to be a time to mourn the passing of friends and family or people who have touched your life. Does it matter if such a mkourniong is private and you waklk to a place where you feel one with nature in solitude or if you have a bloody good eltic wake and get rip roaring drunk? Morning and feeling a loss is such a primal thing. In some areas it is believed that such a mourning helps the soul journey forth. I believe it to be selfish to use the emotions to hang on to the dearly departed but the grief should be used as a celebration to remember the loved one as they were at their peak and as an inspiration to guide us onwards and upwards towards our goals.... Whilst I can understand the fear and desire to hang on to life there are many who embrace death as a new begining. Death is not the end but it should have some meaning and dignity.. AS much as anything I am a Celt and a clansman in a true sence. I too follow the beliefs of my Norse Ancestors and whould perfer to die in battle with a glorious death. However this may not occure but as a Man I shall dictate the time and manner of my own death. Death my my own hand is not a cowardly thing but the right of a warrior and a Man if he should so choose that path...."

I Wish You Well

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RE: Dealing With Death...Please Help - 8/22/2006 9:58:19 PM   
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Give yourself the time you need. My spouse of 15 years died in Febraury, and even though we had far from an ideal marriage, I have found myself thinking several times i was ready to start dating, but I am not. So - I set goals for myself as far as other things. Like: I am starting to work out, fixing up my house for resale, looking into new types of volunteer work.

Tonight, I audutioned for the local symphonic chorus. I think I made it in - we have to re-audition each year, and it can be pretty competitive. I'll find out in a few days. I am also seeing a grief counsellor once a week. That has helped a lot. In many areas, counsellors are available on a sliding scale fee basis, accourding to income, so it doesn't have to be expensive. Take you time. And good luck.

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RE: Dealing With Death...Please Help - 8/22/2006 10:05:26 PM   
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krissi, i became a widow 3 weeks ago.  He was not my Dom but a loving vanilla husband that wanted the best for me.  I know it is not the same but there is a online group called for widows only that i have been finding helpful.  I have not addressed bdsm there yet but probably will at some point.  My Dom has been the most supportive person in my life through this time, He has kept me grounded in a way my husband never did.  I guess what i am saying is that imo you are just as much a widow as i am and i would welcome you to the group or perhaps it would help if we had a bdsm widow/widowers group.  The grief is the same as vanilla grief just some of the issues we face are different.  My husbands friend outted me in the community after his death so it has been quite interesting to deal with those issues as well as the grief at the same time.  I wish you well and hope you will consider the widows only group as it allows us to safely vent when we need to.  In fact we recently discussed what to do with our wedding rings which for me is at minimum equivilent to a collar.  That consensus was that each person heals at different rates and the ring/collar means something different for each person.  There are many that would stone me for considering my continuation with my Dom so soon after the death of my husband, however that too is a personal decision and for me would have been unnatural if i had to give up the existing D/s relationship.  I know many will perceive me as cold but hun that is their problem not mine and life does go on which is a factor i have learned must be dealt with during the grieving process.  Allow yourself to feel whatever it is that you feel, acknowledge it and grow with it.  Death of loved ones regardles of the ring/collar brings tremendous changes to our lives and giving ourself time and patience is well worth the effort.  Continuing down lifes path does not mean we loved any less than those that close themselves off to life entirely it simply means we choose to follow a different grief path and that is quite fine.  If you need to talk and wish to please email me for a chat. 

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