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Chicago Bans Goose Liver

Is Chicago Right in regulating what foods can be eaten?

14% (4)

Is Chicago Wrong in regulating what foods can be eaten?

64% (18)

Is killing animals for food wrong? It hurts them

14% (4)

Is killing plants for food wrong? It hurts them

7% (2)

Total Votes : 28

(last vote on : 8/27/2006 12:05:27 PM)
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Nikolette -> RE: Chicago Bans Goose Liver (8/24/2006 12:22:04 AM)
something to consider: http://www.petakillsanimals.com/

BrutalAntipathy -> RE: Chicago Bans Goose Liver (8/24/2006 12:29:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nikolette something to consider: http://www.petakillsanimals.com/ Oh, but Nikolette, we don't have to like everything that they do, just so they are engaged in a noble endeavor. They are good, caring people, exactly like the ACLU! Firebombing isn't terrorism as long as it is done in the name of your favorite cause, either!

Nikolette -> RE: Chicago Bans Goose Liver (8/24/2006 12:32:59 AM)
Donno how to reply, because I am unsure of your tone.

BrutalAntipathy -> RE: Chicago Bans Goose Liver (8/24/2006 12:33:33 AM)
*In 2005, PETA killed over 90% of the animals it ' rescued '. Now if that doesn't make ya mad enough to eat goose liver, nothin' will!*

BrutalAntipathy -> RE: Chicago Bans Goose Liver (8/24/2006 12:35:13 AM)
*lmao! Want me to start adding a sarcasm disclaimer to my posts? Really, if you have to wonder about them, i'm being sarcastic.*

Nikolette -> RE: Chicago Bans Goose Liver (8/24/2006 12:40:50 AM)
No, I was aware you were being sarcastic. I just wasn't sure if you had noticed my previous statements and were still trying to "convince" me. Outside appearances aren't always what they seem. I try to remain as open as I can on most any topic. A friend directed me to that site and it was news to me. :) Most people's main issue is lack of education on various topics. This is at the heart of life though, our only true view is subjective. Goodnight Thread!

xGoddessx -> RE: Chicago Bans Goose Liver (8/24/2006 2:15:51 AM)
Goodness, a lot happened when I left, took me a bit to catch up. When I compared the ACLU to Peta, I was not saying that the ACLU was a terrorist organization. The point that I was trying to get across, is that to some people the ACLU is full of zealots also. Really if you think about it, most groups are. You have the Southern Baptists, The Christian Coalition, pro-abortion and pro-life groups, tons of other religious groups, civil groups, rights groups, enviromental groups, etc. There are good people involved here, people that have the best of intentions, but their good thoughts and hopes get trampled on by people that have other things in mind. I do not give money to Peta. I do use their site to sort of keep up with what is going on in the animal world, or to see if there is anything I might be able to help with, or change about the way I live to make things a bit better. There are people that are involved in Peta that have the best of intentions, they love animals, they want to help them, and so much more. I even stated myself, that I don't agree with the methods they employ. None of this changes the fact that I still believe that animals are living, breathing, spiritual creatures that deserve our love and our compassion. I am an animal activist, but I don't do it by burning down buildings, or by harming others. I do it on my own, by sharing information with others when they ask. I also do my part by doing my best not to add to the suffering that they endure in factory farms, slaughterhouses, etc. The choices we make every single day, do filter down to every single day that follows. We have not treated the earth or those that inhabit it very well over the many years. We, our children, and our grandchildren will pay the price for that. It seems like one little thing and yes, there will be a million ways to get around it, like there are with most things. It has to start someplace though, with one little step..and that can lead us a million miles in a better direction. G

gooddogbenji -> RE: Chicago Bans Goose Liver (8/24/2006 12:50:49 PM)
If I'm not mistaken, we are now at the point where most of us think cruelty to animals is bad, however, we also all know that we support it, either with leather, meat, milk, foie gras, or zoos. We are also at this point not sure of what information about foie gras is true or not. Granted, it is probably somewhat cruel, but more cruel than veal? More cruel than regular chicken farming? We have also established that PETA has a great video, however, very little evidence within it, beyond statements of people. We also know that PETA has, at best, an interesting agenda, and at worst, burns your granny's puppy for fun. So why was foie gras banned again? Yours, benji

Lordandmaster -> RE: Chicago Bans Goose Liver (8/24/2006 1:03:41 PM)
NO NO NO. You spelled it right the first time, kiddo, then you went ahead and fucked it up the second time around. Kids. quote: ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji So why was fois gras banned again?

Bearlee -> RE: Chicago Bans Goose Liver (8/24/2006 1:04:39 PM)
I cannot imagine that the practice of force-feeding geese IS any different than raising veal...or even chickens. http://www.poultry.org/foiegras.htm I like meat, try to eat meat raised humainly; but find I have to turn a blind eye from time to time. Same with drinking milk; it galls me that they feed the cows hormones to increase production. In many ways, it's just not safe to eat, anymore! LOL Okay, so I try to eat organic; I don't always manage it. I try to keep myself sane by trying to be reasonable about things. I eat free-range chickens and refuse to eat veal. I know that 'free-range' is not all it's cracked up to be. In the best of all worlds, I'd be a small-animal farmer; raising and eating my own rabbits & chickens...and growing my own veggies. I guess we each do what we can do. Perhaps that is what Chicago is doing, too? beverly

MistressLorelei -> RE: Chicago Bans Goose Liver (8/24/2006 1:45:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BrutalAntipathy quote: ORIGINAL: nefertari Actually, no I don't, but apparently you do. I find it somewhat amusing that you have gotten this bent out of shape, though, because of a link that I posted. I wasn't endorsing PETA by posting that link. The link was directly related to the OP in that it showed the treatment of animals raised for foie gras. You saw that it linked to PETA and have had a field day since and have completely disregarded any problem with animal cruelty as long as PETA is in the picture. That is extreme and fanatic in and of itself. For the record, I am not a member of PETA. I use their site for informational purposes, such as grabbing that link. I do not support them. So put that in your pipe and smoke it while you're calling me a zealot. If you had bothered to read all of the posts you would see that I had stated that I don't have a problem with eating meat as long as it is humanely raised and controlled killing is used. You are making assumptions and twisting words to suit your twisted logic. I guess that makes us two of a kind then, as you certainly made assumptions about me as well. I do admit that I am biased to any and every thing associated with PETA. I also did my level best to make valid points when it came to expressing my distaste for them. You ignored this in favor of engaging in cheap attacks based on sarcastic musings I intertwined with the posts. At no point did you acknowledge any of those very factual, very frightening points concerning PETA. And if likening PETA to the ACLU is NOT twisted logic, I would hate to see what you consider twisted logic to be. So, on that note, want me to write my congressman now, or are you still going to evade that offer and continue to practice sleight of hand maneuvers to distract from the fact that PETA is a terrorist group? PETA has some members who are fanatics.... well, duh, so does the human race. I haven't joined PETA as I passed by a PETA protest on the streets of NY and there mixed in with the peaceful protesters, were some angry, mean-spirited people.... one was actually arrested for throwing ink on a lady's fur coat. People are passionate and angry that others are frivolously torturing animals who can't escape, or protect themselves. Many animals are tortured 24 hours a day for months... so they will taste better, make a better decoration, etc. People do go too far sometimes, but this happens in a lot of organizations. Religion organizations "terrorize", Pro-Life zealots "terrorize", extreme right and left wing political zealots "terrorize, yet those who support their religion, Pro-Life rights, or liberal or conservative politics still support the cause they believe in, aside from the fanatics who also associate themselves with the cause. If I joined PETA today, I would support animals rights, and I would not be one of the freaks you are labeling all PETA members to be. Because you dislike PETA, you seem to dislike animal protection rights in general. That's a shame. BDSM certainly has its share of freaks, rapists, abusers for the sake of abusers, wankers, and people of emotional instability.... Many vanilla folk would think less of me for associating myself with this group.... yet, many people, most even who are involved in bdsm are not as evil as they are believed to be. As a whole, despite the freaks and weirdos it often attracts.... I like this place.

nefertari -> RE: Chicago Bans Goose Liver (8/24/2006 9:21:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji If I'm not mistaken, we are now at the point where most of us think cruelty to animals is bad, however, we also all know that we support it, either with leather, meat, milk, foie gras, or zoos. We are also at this point not sure of what information about foie gras is true or not. Granted, it is probably somewhat cruel, but more cruel than veal? More cruel than regular chicken farming? We have also established that PETA has a great video, however, very little evidence within it, beyond statements of people. We also know that PETA has, at best, an interesting agenda, and at worst, burns your granny's puppy for fun. So why was foie gras banned again? Yours, benji Foie gras was banned because the only way to get it is through animal cruelty and we have to start somewhere. BTW, if I'm not mistaken California banned foie gras a year or two ago. We don't all support animal cruelty with our daily choices. The only leather I wear comes from a shop here in Ohio that uses leather from animals that lived in the wild and died of natural causes. One can buy dairy and meat from that comes from animals that were humanely raised. I'm on the fence about zoos. I don't buy cosmetics or hair care products from companies that engage in animal testing. You get the idea. And I'm pretty sure we could get someone from PETA to burn your fanny if you want.

Emperor1956 -> RE: Chicago Bans Goose Liver (8/24/2006 10:59:32 PM)
quote: nefertari: Foie gras was banned because the only way to get it is through animal cruelty and we have to start somewhere. BTW, if I'm not mistaken California banned foie gras a year or two ago. Can you document this, nefertari? I think you are making this up. The alderman who introduced the ordinance, who I know personally, had no prior interest in animal rights issues, and in fact his introduction of the ordinance was a pretty big surprise. Chicago is going through some interesting times involving testing the limits of the Mayor's power, with special interest groups seeking laws banning smoking, use of cooking oils containing trans fats, drivers using IPods (there is already an ordinance against cell phone use while driving), WalMart (unless it dramatically increases wages paid), etc. Most political pundits think Alderman Moore's introduction of the "goose liver law" was another one of these social utility laws, and many are shocked it was enacted. The supposed justification of cruelty was tacked on in the aldermanic statement; my understanding was at first it was a reaction to a relatively unhealthy, very expensive "elite" food. E By the way, for anyone who wants to visit Chicago, and eat healthy and organic, one of the best and most famous "funky granola" resturants/clubs in the city is smack in the middle of Joe Moore's ward. My girl and I eat there fairly often. Next time, I think I'll order foie gras (which they don't serve). They do, oddly enough, serve buffalo. And a lot of sprouts.

pahunkboy -> RE: Chicago Bans Goose Liver (8/25/2006 8:32:04 AM)
i support this ban! force feeding is the issue. we have plenty in America- as a former Chicagoan- Daley isnt the same guy he was in the 80s. He has done a great job. The city is world class. I support this ban.

Rumtiger -> RE: Chicago Bans Goose Liver (8/25/2006 10:38:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: nefertari The only leather I wear comes from a shop here in Ohio that uses leather from animals that lived in the wild and died of natural causes. Does the shop actually show proof of this? it sounds like total bull unless they happen to have a cow farm in the backyard, If I had a leather shop i'd tell people this just so I can charge a little more.

MistressLorelei -> RE: Chicago Bans Goose Liver (8/25/2006 10:58:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rumtiger quote: ORIGINAL: nefertari The only leather I wear comes from a shop here in Ohio that uses leather from animals that lived in the wild and died of natural causes. Does the shop actually show proof of this? it sounds like total bull unless they happen to have a cow farm in the backyard, If I had a leather shop i'd tell people this just so I can charge a little more. Bold added by me. Not to pick on you per se... but your comment here is what is wrong with the world. I believe our government uses this idea quite a bit to sell us the crap we end up voting for cause we believe what they are telling us to be true. Lucklily, there are some honest, caring people left in the world. Just they are few and far between.

nefertari -> RE: Chicago Bans Goose Liver (8/25/2006 4:38:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rumtiger quote: ORIGINAL: nefertari The only leather I wear comes from a shop here in Ohio that uses leather from animals that lived in the wild and died of natural causes. Does the shop actually show proof of this? it sounds like total bull unless they happen to have a cow farm in the backyard, If I had a leather shop i'd tell people this just so I can charge a little more. Actually, I know the owner, so yes I know for a fact. Your limiting leather as coming from cows only. I'm not sure he even sells cow leather.

nefertari -> RE: Chicago Bans Goose Liver (8/25/2006 4:41:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Emperor1956 quote: nefertari: Foie gras was banned because the only way to get it is through animal cruelty and we have to start somewhere. BTW, if I'm not mistaken California banned foie gras a year or two ago. Can you document this, nefertari? I think you are making this up. The alderman who introduced the ordinance, who I know personally, had no prior interest in animal rights issues, and in fact his introduction of the ordinance was a pretty big surprise. Chicago is going through some interesting times involving testing the limits of the Mayor's power, with special interest groups seeking laws banning smoking, use of cooking oils containing trans fats, drivers using IPods (there is already an ordinance against cell phone use while driving), WalMart (unless it dramatically increases wages paid), etc. Most political pundits think Alderman Moore's introduction of the "goose liver law" was another one of these social utility laws, and many are shocked it was enacted. The supposed justification of cruelty was tacked on in the aldermanic statement; my understanding was at first it was a reaction to a relatively unhealthy, very expensive "elite" food. E By the way, for anyone who wants to visit Chicago, and eat healthy and organic, one of the best and most famous "funky granola" resturants/clubs in the city is smack in the middle of Joe Moore's ward. My girl and I eat there fairly often. Next time, I think I'll order foie gras (which they don't serve). They do, oddly enough, serve buffalo. And a lot of sprouts. I don't make anything up. I'm probably one of the most cynical people out there and I never take anything at face value. It's out there documented for the world to see. I don't have the links readily available and I believe enough have been posted. If you really want to know you can research for yourself. Personally, I think you just prefer not to know or care.

Emperor1956 -> RE: Chicago Bans Goose Liver (8/27/2006 9:04:25 AM)
Nefartari: Until you posted this childish response, I thought maybe you had something going for you. Clearly you are a fabricator and immature, and any good points you could have made you've destroyed with this reply. I asked you to document something you said, and your reply shows you simply lie and run when you are caught. E

Lordandmaster -> RE: Chicago Bans Goose Liver (8/27/2006 10:31:10 AM)
She was right, Emperor: http://www.hsus.org/farm_animals/farm_animals_news/california_decides_to_permanently_pull_foie_gras_off_the_menu.html

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