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RE: 128 students suspended at Ind. school - 8/27/2006 3:51:44 PM   
LuckyAlbatross


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Because we all know that they key to the future is making sure kids dress within appropriate guidelines.  Without that, there will be chaos.

I understand the situation- if there was a distinct dress code, and the students were given it and understood it, as well as the consequences for not adhering to it...then that's that.  If lots of students want to protest a dress code or make a statement about it and it leads to them dealing with the consequences, then I think it's been a great experience for everyone all around.

While I think dress codes in general are ridiculous and take energy and time away from IMPORTANT issues, it is a part of a culture that is obsessed with how we look and unable to look past the easy rules and easy "fixes" and punishments. 

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RE: 128 students suspended at Ind. school - 8/27/2006 3:54:49 PM   
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just over 10% of the school population was suspended for inappropriate dress - tank tops, t-shirts with designs, etc.    Should this be allowed?


Makes me wonder what other rules and/or laws they will break in the future.

One should be held accountable for all of our actions.


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RE: 128 students suspended at Ind. school - 8/27/2006 7:27:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

just over 10% of the school population was suspended for inappropriate dress - tank tops, t-shirts with designs, etc.    Should this be allowed?


Makes me wonder what other rules and/or laws they will break in the future.

One should be held accountable for all of our actions.


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I thought Clinton said that we weren't able to raise our children that it took the community.   It is our fault that children act the way they do so I guess they can't be held accountable.   Lock up the parents.  Send them to jail and keep them there, then Clinton can have his way and we can send the kids off to state programs.   Hold the parents accountable for the actions of their kids.

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RE: 128 students suspended at Ind. school - 8/27/2006 9:16:35 PM   
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I thought Clinton said that we weren't able to raise our children that it took the community.   It is our fault that children act the way they do so I guess they can't be held accountable.   Lock up the parents.  Send them to jail and keep them there, then Clinton can have his way and we can send the kids off to state programs.   Hold the parents accountable for the actions of their kids.


ROFL... News flash... in some high schools, making that threat is tantamount to getting a rousing round of laughter and not a few "Well, all right!!!" comments.

Holding students accountable for their own actions - teaching them that there are consequences that THEY must deal with - and not blame their parents, the teachers, their poor poor lives or anyone else out there - is much more effective. Blaming parents reaffirms students that again, someone else is going to take the hit for them, and they can just keep on doing what they were doing.

In my house, if my kiddo wants to go to school out of uniform, then he faces the consequences. I'm not going in to fight his battles for him. He much more effectively learns responsibility for his decisions if he learns that while he can stand up for what he believes, he still has to be willing to deal with the repurcussions on his own.

LOTS of us go to work each day knowing we have the responsibiliity to wear the stated uniform of our place of employment. Whether that means a suit and tie, a chef's white coat and hat, a physicians lab coat, scrubs, the uniform shirt and pants required by mechanics in garages, or the smock at Target and McDonalds. We know that if we don't wear these things, there are consequences. Those consequences usually end up being that we're sent home or, if we do it often enough, fired for non-compliance.

Putting consequences for something like this in the laps of parents is significantly counterproductive to helping students realize that they have certain personal responsibilities and that when they choose to not maintain those responsibilities, they stand to lose something.

Besides, how many of you used to hide that shirt you mother told you that you could ABSOLUTELY not wear to school in and amongst your books till you got to school and changed? How many of you rolled up the waistband of your skirts so that the hem was just a wee bit shorter? How many hid their cigarettes, makeup and other stuff from their parents till they got to the kinda-sorta grown up world of school? Blaming the parents is clearly not the best answer to this out there.

High school is a credit race. With No Child Left Behind, the stakes are higher than they've ever been. A student who can't pass high school in a specific amount of time is required to either take the GED or receive a certificate of completion (that's NOT a high school diploma by the way). Required credit amounts are higher than ever and there's no room for fudging a semester anymore and still have the assurances of passing. When a student's grades are affected by attendance, then there is finally a significant consequence in place. All that remains is to use it.

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RE: 128 students suspended at Ind. school - 8/27/2006 9:37:46 PM   
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hmmmmmmm   13 responses so far.   seems fairly evenly split on the issue.   Now of those of you that responded how many are dems, reps and others?   Seems to me that the Democratic response should be, coddle the little ones after all it isn't their fault.   The Republican response should be give it to them for the max because they failed to follow the rules and the Libertarian response should be that it isn't listed in the constitution.


Amazingly, concern for ways in which to teach responsibility, most often, does not concern itself with politics.

I'm one of those bleeding heart liberals - damn proud of it too.

And for the most part, I send em home for violating the dress code. They know it when they walk in the door of my room. I know they do. I see them standing outside my door frantically tucking in their shirts and hiding the stripes on the shirts they wear under their scrubs.

Oh! And it may interest you to realize that the main reason our students wear uniforms is to differentiate them from those other people their age that tend to try to come in off the street to cause problems. All teachers can't know all the kids in school, so rather than relying on something that's NOT going to happen, we simply identify who are the students who belong there and who don't.. and then call the police on those who don't belong there.

When gang activity and repurcussions for illegal activity are a reality, you do what you need to do. If someone's not wearing a uniform, we simply stand on the grounds that a) it's against school policy and b) it contributes to an unsafe environment for all students. Parents have this silly little view that when they send their children to school, they should have a modicum of assurance that they will be safe. We do what we can to make that a relative certainty.

And it all has absolutely nothing to do with being a democrat, republican or libertarian.

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RE: 128 students suspended at Ind. school - 8/27/2006 10:12:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: julietsierra

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey


I thought Clinton said that we weren't able to raise our children that it took the community.   It is our fault that children act the way they do so I guess they can't be held accountable.   Lock up the parents.  Send them to jail and keep them there, then Clinton can have his way and we can send the kids off to state programs.   Hold the parents accountable for the actions of their kids.


ROFL... News flash... in some high schools, making that threat is tantamount to getting a rousing round of laughter and not a few "Well, all right!!!" comments.

Holding students accountable for their own actions - teaching them that there are consequences that THEY must deal with - and not blame their parents, the teachers, their poor poor lives or anyone else out there - is much more effective. Blaming parents reaffirms students that again, someone else is going to take the hit for them, and they can just keep on doing what they were doing.

In my house, if my kiddo wants to go to school out of uniform, then he faces the consequences. I'm not going in to fight his battles for him. He much more effectively learns responsibility for his decisions if he learns that while he can stand up for what he believes, he still has to be willing to deal with the repurcussions on his own.

LOTS of us go to work each day knowing we have the responsibiliity to wear the stated uniform of our place of employment. Whether that means a suit and tie, a chef's white coat and hat, a physicians lab coat, scrubs, the uniform shirt and pants required by mechanics in garages, or the smock at Target and McDonalds. We know that if we don't wear these things, there are consequences. Those consequences usually end up being that we're sent home or, if we do it often enough, fired for non-compliance.

Putting consequences for something like this in the laps of parents is significantly counterproductive to helping students realize that they have certain personal responsibilities and that when they choose to not maintain those responsibilities, they stand to lose something.

Besides, how many of you used to hide that shirt you mother told you that you could ABSOLUTELY not wear to school in and amongst your books till you got to school and changed? How many of you rolled up the waistband of your skirts so that the hem was just a wee bit shorter? How many hid their cigarettes, makeup and other stuff from their parents till they got to the kinda-sorta grown up world of school? Blaming the parents is clearly not the best answer to this out there.

High school is a credit race. With No Child Left Behind, the stakes are higher than they've ever been. A student who can't pass high school in a specific amount of time is required to either take the GED or receive a certificate of completion (that's NOT a high school diploma by the way). Required credit amounts are higher than ever and there's no room for fudging a semester anymore and still have the assurances of passing. When a student's grades are affected by attendance, then there is finally a significant consequence in place. All that remains is to use it.

juliet


At the end of the day parents are the ones held accountable.  Whether you like it or not, until the child is 18, a lot of the responsibility lies in the hands of the parents.  If more parents would embrace it, perhaps kids would not be as far out of hand as they are.

If you don't bother to feed your kid because he will eat when he is hungry... and he doesn't, it's the parent who is to blame.  There is a reason kids aren't adults until they are 18... and that reason is because they are kids.  Sure,  kids want to sneak around, they want to rebel... it's the parent's responsibility to ensure that these desires are not met with dangerous, or harmful consequences. 

Kids learn a lot about life and themselves in knowing that there is someone (a parent) out there who will share in their responsibility as they grow up. Nurturing and security is needed for a kid to become self assured and confident themselves.   Most kids who reach the level of destruction, betraying their parents in extreme ways, where parents can't be held accountable, only reach that level because their parents were never accountable to begin with.

I agree that schools should have standards and guidelines, but schools are to educate children... they shouldn't be the primary source of discipline, a correctional institute, a daycare facility, the place to instill morals, values, and behavior modification.  These jobs belong to the parent..... not the teachers.  Teachers should help your kids absorb knowledge in the subjects they are trained to teach in... the rest is up to the parent.... or at least that's why we used to send kids to school.

I have worked with many, many children, and  time and time again, it has been demonstrated that you get back how much or how little you put into your kids.  Let them run free... they are kids, you bet they will.  Schools already do more than their share of child rearing already.... sometimes to the point where it overrides the teaching they should be doing. 

Many kids wouldn't choose to go to school... parents send them... end of story.  Maybe there is something to that.





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RE: 128 students suspended at Ind. school - 8/28/2006 2:02:47 PM   
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At the end of the day parents are the ones held accountable.  Whether you like it or not, until the child is 18, a lot of the responsibility lies in the hands of the parents.  If more parents would embrace it, perhaps kids would not be as far out of hand as they are.




lol...Out of curiousity just what constitutes parental responsibility to you?

See, in my world, as a parent AND as a teacher, parental responsibility entails giving students more and more personal responsibility over the choices they make as they prove they can handle it AND teaching them that every time they make a choice, there are consequences that come with that choice. Sometimes they're good. Sometimes they're not, and all of the time, they need to practice good judgment in how they make those choices.

It CERTAINLY does not mean covering their butts because they haven't figured out how to dress themselves appropriately in the morning.

As a teacher, I fully expect my students to figure out how to put on a pair of blue pants if they're supposed to wear blue pants to school. They have enough wearwithall to go to the mall on their own. They certainly can figure out how to put the appropriate clothes on their bodies.

I don't blame parents for the consequences that need to fall naturally to students. And I don't blame students for the consequences of their parents not doing their job...but nor do I mix the two up.

And by the way, behavior modification is the name of the game - whether at the work place, school, church or home. People need to know the behavior that is appropriate for each place and learn to act accordingly. Class management is and always has been all about behavior modification - even when you were in school. You just didn't realize it was happening.

Out of curiousity, all those many many kids you've worked with...how many of them have been in a classroom? I have no argument with the idea that parental involvement improves test scores as a perceived measure of success in a classroom. I DO have a problem with confusing parental involvement with parental consequences for student behavior and student decisions.

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RE: 128 students suspended at Ind. school - 8/28/2006 2:06:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Who owns the kids in question? THEY are the ones who get to make descisions for them.

Now in a FREE COUNTRY, we own OURSELVES. So the kids have the right to make decisions for themselves.

And they have the right to own and use property.

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RE: 128 students suspended at Ind. school - 8/28/2006 4:07:46 PM   
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RE: 128 students suspended at Ind. school - 8/28/2006 4:19:21 PM   
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high school was rowdy when i was a kid.

today same  school have metal detectors!!!!!

im not that old. im talking about a nice suburb area. not the inner city.

what has the world come to?

as far as individual responsibilty- if a democrat, a communist, or a repblican touches fire- he/she gets burnt. plain and simple.
at my one schools  we did not want to were ties. we tried to sneak in the wrong fiber for pants...

if i even yelled at kids in my neighborhood the police would be at my door. kids here have reported their own parent to the police and had them charged.

it is not easy being a parent today.    nor is it easy growing up in todays world.   

leave a mark on your kid?  go to jail. thats 2006.

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RE: 128 students suspended at Ind. school - 8/28/2006 6:44:01 PM   
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RE: 128 students suspended at Ind. school - 8/28/2006 7:05:38 PM   
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if i even yelled at kids in my neighborhood the police would be at my door. kids here have reported their own parent to the police and had them charged.

it is not easy being a parent today.    nor is it easy growing up in todays world.   

leave a mark on your kid?  go to jail. thats 2006.


lol pahunkboy! I completely understand that it can be daunting.

I remember a friend of mine... her son had gotten into trouble at school...the coming darn close to expulsion kind of trouble.

He was afraid to face his parents, so he compounded the problem by not coming home that evening. Instead, he spent it out with a group of kids who were known for their ... um... lack of good judgment, and their vocal disdain for the law.

On his way home, knowing what was coming... he called the police to say he was afraid of his parents who he thought would "abuse" him, and asked if they could meet him at his parents' home.

He walked in the door with the bravado of false security. He called to his mother to explain where he'd been as if the lateness didn't matter (hey, at least I CAME home!!)

Except he miscalculated. As he quickly found out...

His problem was that mother didn't play that game.

As he walked in the house, and shut the door, his mother descended on him. She read him the riot act and then told him exactly why she was yelling and what else she was going to do about it.

Right about then, the police knocked on the door.

She opened it up and invited them into her home.

Then, she turned around and told her son that she was indeed going to spank his bottom and it wasn't going to be pleasant. And after that, the police were going to take his mama away for "beating" her child, but that it was just fine with her, because more than anything else, she loved him, and if he kept on doing what he was doing, the next people he'd be dealing with were the police officers standing right there, and by god, THEY sure didn't love him.

She told the police officers they could do what they wanted to her, but she damn well wasn't going to allow HER child to act the way he'd been acting.

And then, much to her son's disbelief and utter shock, she started to give him the spanking he'd be sure to remember. The boy kept hollering for the police to save him. The policemen responded that that's exactly what they were doing.

When the mother finished and the boy was sobbing - more from embarrassment than anything else - she turned to the officers and said "you can take me away now. I just did what had to be done.

The police officers just smiled, congratulated her for being a good parent, told the boy to keep out of trouble and that they were watching him, and told the boy's mother that if they found in doing ANYTHING wrong, they'd let her know cause it seemed to them, as if she had things pretty well organized.

One more admonishment to "listen to your mama" and they were out the door - without the mother or the kiddo, stating as they went, "have a nice night y'all."

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RE: 128 students suspended at Ind. school - 8/28/2006 8:35:32 PM   
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I'm not a fan of NCLB. Over the past few years I've seen a growing trend and I seriously want to scream. Schools dont teach students anymore. Schools instruct them on how to pass the tests that will keep the schools open just one more year. Now this may only be true in select areas, but I happen to live in one of them.

I spent over an hour just this afternoon in the counselors office arguing the sheer stupidity of being REQUIRED to take the ACT prep class as part of your cirriculum instead of taking a class which might just expand ones mind. I swear the counselor looked as if I spat on her !
Just for the record the initial reason for this meeting was because the 'supersmart assign a class computer' must be on crack. It assigned my student 2 classes that had been taken (and passed) previously, 3 classes that were soft and 3 core classes. Oh did I mention that the supercomputer decided she didn't need math?

In addition to my student being REQUIRED to take a learn how to take a test well so it looks like you have actually learned something course, because of course the numbers dont lie, the district has dropped the number of credits to graduate from the standard of 32 to a minimum of 22 this year. This means my wonderful student who voluntarily went to summer school, cause it makes sense to get paid for summer school and get a credit in the process, can now graduate mid term of junior year.
NCBL also set a minimum education level for paraprofessionals such as classroom aides.  As a result, our district lost approximately 60% of it's paraprofessionals. Our schools now rely even more heavily on parent volunteers. Fortunately, there are still a few of them left.  
Bottom line NCBL has created more problems than it has resolved by far.

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RE: 128 students suspended at Ind. school - 8/28/2006 8:57:47 PM   
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The only part the sucks in this case, is that if you're a kid who does not want to attend school, rust break the dress code. It's an easy way to get out. Different measures are going to have to be considered. After all, poor attendance equal less funds. As much as a Principle and Super Attendant may want to uphold this standard, money talks and they aren't going to be able to afford it. On a good note, it's nice to see some reality where kids are not running the school and that there athletic, academic, and other talents aren't bailing them out.  

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RE: 128 students suspended at Ind. school - 8/28/2006 9:19:54 PM   
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I understand the situation- if there was a distinct dress code, and the students were given it and understood it, as well as the consequences for not adhering to it...then that's that.  If lots of students want to protest a dress code or make a statement about it and it leads to them dealing with the consequences, then I think it's been a great experience for everyone all around.


This isn't a matter of the City of Hammond School Board deciding that all kids need to wear blue slacks and white shirts and ties. The schools all held several open meetings last year with parents regarding the desire to set certain standards for dress in school, which were all related to the non-uniform clothes the kids wear everyday.  This summer, standards were sent to every student's house. Everyone knew this was coming -- the problem came with kids taking the first day to test the system, to see if the rules would really be enforced.  This wasn't an organized "student protest" - it was a bunch of individual kids who wanted to wear whatever they felt like to school.  There's nothing noble or educational on a grand scale about what happened, except that some kids experienced a consequence from school administration for the first time in their lives.  Surprised the hell out of them.

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  While I think dress codes in general are ridiculous and take energy and time away from IMPORTANT issues, it is a part of a culture that is obsessed with how we look and unable to look past the easy rules and easy "fixes" and punishments.


Morton HS is not on the North Shore of Chicago (close though it is).  It's an Northwest Indiana urban school in a district wrestling with all the problems attendant to urban schools. Dress is important because it helps keep discipline in the school.  When a girl comes to school with her belly bare and her ass showing under her 2" long skirt, it becomes a problem.  When kids come wearing gang colors or graphics on their shirts, it incites fights between the rivals and isn't good for anyone. 

While the dress code violations made the headline, if you look at the article it also mentions several suspensions for cell phone use. The kids know full well that phones are only allowed if they're turned off during school hours.  Ignoring the distraction factor, if there's a gang fight in the lunchroom, the teachers don't want the fighters' buddies going out and calling in reinforcements on the cell phones (yep, it's happened).  All told, a school that was struggling decided to start with demanding certain levels of dress and behavior, beginning on the first day of school.  The only people here upset with the suspensions are some of the suspended kids' parents, who think an exception should be made for their kid.

*returns you to the conversation on NCLB and parental responsiblity*

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RE: 128 students suspended at Ind. school - 8/28/2006 10:46:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Holly and I agree with LeMis - it's not that difficult to wear decent clothing ... it may not be 'cool' but it's possible, even for those who are scraping to make ends meet (as shown by the fact that the kids I went to school with who wore the torn up, holey jeans were those who had $$ ... those who were poor had very few holes in their clothes, they may be patched, but they were not holey).  And since the infractions can be removed from their records, it's not unfair in the least.

For the record, I fall into none of the three mentioned political parties.

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RE: 128 students suspended at Ind. school - 8/29/2006 12:35:12 AM   
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I think they should be suspended...if they don't learn how to dress in school how will they ever learn how to dress properly in the work place.


Hehe dress properly.....
I looked up the history of the tie once. What is proper? In the perfect world it would just be your quality of work, not your attire/sex/age/color/etc...Of course conformity is valued in the workplace....by mediocre businesses with easily frightened customers

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RE: 128 students suspended at Ind. school - 8/29/2006 12:38:37 AM   
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here's my take on the subject:
A: there should not be a dress code, in excess of what the law requires.
B: students should not be held to some dress code, as a "way of preparing them for following a dress code a work"

my reasoning behind this is simple.
Adults are not required to work, they have every right to be a jobless bum. If, as an adult, someone choses not to obey work dress codes, they have the option of not holding said job any longer, so long as someone is willing to support them

Children are required to attend school. there is no option, unless their parents chose to home school them. this is outside of the student's realm of choice.  if the school wishes to impose a penalty/price for attending school (the requirement of earing certain things, or being punished for not doing so) then the school should provide an option not to attend school (not suspension/expulsion, but simply not being required to go), so long as someone is willing to support them.

With all sleep-deprived respect, and in hopes that this is pleasing to the Free
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RE: 128 students suspended at Ind. school - 8/29/2006 2:54:53 AM   
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yup, just like all those right wingers who deny that there is such a thing as social responsibility......sheesh

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RE: 128 students suspended at Ind. school - 8/29/2006 3:15:24 AM   
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There's nothing noble or educational on a grand scale about what happened, except that some kids experienced a consequence from school administration for the first time in their lives.  Surprised the hell out of them.



That IS educational! It's just not academic.

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