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RE: too compliant? - 8/31/2006 8:43:54 AM   
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thanks for asking these questions

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ORIGINAL: llkkto

Has any dominant reading this thread ever had any actual, first-person, in-a-live-in-relationship experience with a submissive who was "too compliant," in your  view?   If so, could you please describe what too much compliance looks like? What did they do, how did they think, what is an example from your life that illustrates this quality, and why did you think their obedience was too much of a good thing? How did it make you feel?

I'm asking because I've never run into that sort of submissive before, just see hearsay that they exist, or, as in this thread, theorizing about them. So I'm wondering what the real (vs. the mythical) beast looks like.

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RE: too compliant? - 8/31/2006 8:57:30 AM   
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That's not what I meant. It was a chickenshit way of avoiding risk taking, by stating any independent thought.

In many situations (such as my own), the expression of thoughts and feelings is an absolute requirement, and therefore incorporated into full compliancy.  To not express oneself would be the result of blatant disobedience or poor training, in many of those cases.


Yes, but many "masters" are so terribly insecure that they can't handle hearing anything negative about what they do. So the subs shut down.

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RE: too compliant? - 8/31/2006 9:04:15 AM   
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so very true. So are the subs really being passive agressive and being chicken shits as You've said or acting as they've been trained to do?
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Yes, but many "masters" are so terribly insecure that they can't handle hearing anything negative about what they do. So the subs shut down.

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RE: too compliant? - 8/31/2006 9:04:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Homestead

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ORIGINAL: Homestead

That's not what I meant. It was a chickenshit way of avoiding risk taking, by stating any independent thought.

In many situations (such as my own), the expression of thoughts and feelings is an absolute requirement, and therefore incorporated into full compliancy.  To not express oneself would be the result of blatant disobedience or poor training, in many of those cases.


Yes, but many "masters" are so terribly insecure that they can't handle hearing anything negative about what they do. So the subs shut down.

I am not referring to those who think they can Master but really can not.  I am referring to an actual Master/slave dynamic in which the Master actually rules the slave, rather than gives into his own insecurities.  You used the term "chickenshit" and I think it would fit in your latest reply here in referring to such a master, no?.  A girl following the guidance of an insecure Master is not necessarily chickenshit in that case.  Hence what I said earlier - it could very well be due to poor training.

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RE: too compliant? - 8/31/2006 9:31:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: liljoy

so very true. So are the subs really being passive agressive and being chicken shits as You've said or acting as they've been trained to do?
lil_joy
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ORIGINAL: Homestead

Yes, but many "masters" are so terribly insecure that they can't handle hearing anything negative about what they do. So the subs shut down.



They are coping. The chickenshit part is not leaving the asshole holding an empty collar.

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RE: too compliant? - 8/31/2006 9:32:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

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ORIGINAL: Homestead

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ORIGINAL: Homestead

That's not what I meant. It was a chickenshit way of avoiding risk taking, by stating any independent thought.

In many situations (such as my own), the expression of thoughts and feelings is an absolute requirement, and therefore incorporated into full compliancy.  To not express oneself would be the result of blatant disobedience or poor training, in many of those cases.


Yes, but many "masters" are so terribly insecure that they can't handle hearing anything negative about what they do. So the subs shut down.

I am not referring to those who think they can Master but really can not.  I am referring to an actual Master/slave dynamic in which the Master actually rules the slave, rather than gives into his own insecurities.  You used the term "chickenshit" and I think it would fit in your latest reply here in referring to such a master, no?.  A girl following the guidance of an insecure Master is not necessarily chickenshit in that case.  Hence what I said earlier - it could very well be due to poor training.


A mutual cowardice is still only that.

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RE: too compliant? - 8/31/2006 9:34:15 AM   
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And joy,why all the dramatics over being labled a doormat?

Why not simply release the need for validation from people who don't really matter?

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RE: too compliant? - 8/31/2006 9:35:47 AM   
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I agree with you 100% Marie, I was married for 30 yrs and here I am today divorced. 


Ditto, I was married for twenty to a wimp but he managed to take our entire savings of $880,000 out of the bank before the separation so that our children and I started all over again.  No matter how "completely" (just for you, Homestead) owned I may one day become, there will ALWAYS be two signatures needed for anything besides checking accounts around here!

So maybe I'm not a very good submissive at all in some Dominants minds....too bad.

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RE: too compliant? - 8/31/2006 9:46:48 AM   
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I agree with you 100% Marie, I was married for 30 yrs and here I am today divorced. 


Ditto, I was married for twenty to a wimp but he managed to take our entire savings of $880,000 out of the bank before the seperation so that our children and I started all over again.  No matter how "completely" (just for you, Homested) owned I may one day become, there will ALWAYS be two signatures needed for anything besides checking accounts around here!

So maybe I'm not a very good submissive at all in some Dominants minds....too bad.



Not a problem sunshine, protect the property, rule number 1!

Even if that means not BEING property.

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RE: too compliant? - 8/31/2006 9:49:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Homestead

And joy,why all the dramatics over being labled a doormat?

Why not simply release the need for validation from people who don't really matter?



And let us not forget the flipside. It's important to release the need for valuating others, too—especially through spite or ignorance.

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RE: too compliant? - 8/31/2006 9:52:40 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Homestead

And joy,why all the dramatics over being labled a doormat?

Why not simply release the need for validation from people who don't really matter?



And let us not forget the flipside. It's important to release the need for valuating others, too—especially through spite or ignorance.


I have been out in bdsm scenes for over ten years. There is no ignorance on these matters, I have seen and done quite a bit. I'll hold whatever valuations from those experiences I see fit.

Regardless of whether others validate them.

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RE: too compliant? - 8/31/2006 9:55:50 AM   
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wow i didn't think i was being dramatic or being labled a doormat

i'm asking questions to better understand what others are thinking.

i did ask Your opinion on the passive agressive issue because it's not a quaility i want in myself.
lil_joy

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ORIGINAL: Homestead

And joy,why all the dramatics over being labled a doormat?

Why not simply release the need for validation from people who don't really matter?

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RE: too compliant? - 8/31/2006 10:02:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DanielsHeart

In reading this thread I find myself really needing to post, the problem with doing that is figuring out the way to do so within the rules I follow, but here goes.

I have been called a doormat, I have also been told I am too compliant.  There is one person I need to please with my every deed and that is my Master, he believes I am fine just the way I am.

I hold a Professional job, Host Business Events for his business, Debate with the best of them, and still I am considered a 'doormat' by many of my friends within the lifestyle.

Communication is mandatory in this house, I am not to hold back my feelings ever.  If something is bothering me I am to tell him, if something feels great I am to tell him.  The difference...After all the communication I trust him enough to comply immediately to the decision he makes.  I use my mind all the time, but accept that he is my Owner and in being my Owner, he makes the decision unless i am told it is my decision to make.

Finances are handled the way he states, all money in this house is his to decide.  We talk about purchases that are big, and I know the amount of money I am allowed to spend on personal items, when I became his, my assets all became his also.  I also know that if all of this fell apart down the road, I would have what I needed to start over, that is just the type of man he is.

My obedience to him did not happen the first day we were together, it did not even happen the first year we were together.  Trust takes time to build in a reality sense of the word.  I started out with hard limits, never did the 'yes Sir anything you say Sir' thing, but as we spent time together I knew there would never be anything he would do to hurt me, and the rest became easy. 

The day my last unshared hard limit was pushed successfully, I knew I was his and would be his for as long as he allowed me to be.  So yes, some may call me a doormat, but as my profile says...Master calls me HIS and that is all i really need to be. 

i hope this did not come off with the sense of anger.

Daniel's heart

 
Dang girl! Well expressed, and those who dare to label you, perhaps, they are jealous, or that they haven't learned how to humble themselves, for they haven't met anyone who knew how to invoke humility.  So the only way they can accept your happiness is to degrade it.  Shame on them! What you shared is not mindless compliance, but a humble and willing spirit of servitude that a wise good Master fostered in you.  By giving you what you needed to feel safe and free to trust and let down your guard.  Some just don't know how to handle or interpret the deep surrender and trust they see among others.  i believe you are happy enough to not let that bs bother you. *smile

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RE: too compliant? - 8/31/2006 10:08:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: liljoy

i didn't want to steal the story of O thread so i'm making my own. It was suggested there that o was given away because she was too compliant. Now i know that O is just a story but the thought that it could happen in real life kinda scares me.

Do we as submissives and/or slaves strive to submit all only to find that if we achieve it The Dominant becomes bored or considers us doormats? Should we not strive to submit all?

lil_joy



"The Story of O" is fiction first so I wouldn't get too worried about it playing out in real life unless you are with someone who can't distinguish fantasy from reality.

Second, complaint to me is only too much when it involves anyone other than me. If Fox were to start obeying everyone else and going out of his way to serve anyone else then I'd start to feel his submission to me wasn't special. Frankly I deserve special so I wouldn't settle for less.

Something else to consider: Is O's first "master" (I'm using the term loosely) a good man or a bad man? Do you want to be in a relationship with a good dominant or a bad one?

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RE: too compliant? - 8/31/2006 10:20:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Homestead

I have been out in bdsm scenes for over ten years.



Wow.

So? I have been in "the scene" for over eighteen. Anyone who has been in "the scene" for so long should know that this does not endow you with some infalible and heavenly power or right to judge others with crass labels and broad, sweeping generalizations about a way of life others choose to live.




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RE: too compliant? - 8/31/2006 10:22:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Homestead

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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

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ORIGINAL: Homestead

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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

quote:

ORIGINAL: Homestead

That's not what I meant. It was a chickenshit way of avoiding risk taking, by stating any independent thought.

In many situations (such as my own), the expression of thoughts and feelings is an absolute requirement, and therefore incorporated into full compliancy.  To not express oneself would be the result of blatant disobedience or poor training, in many of those cases.


Yes, but many "masters" are so terribly insecure that they can't handle hearing anything negative about what they do. So the subs shut down.

I am not referring to those who think they can Master but really can not.  I am referring to an actual Master/slave dynamic in which the Master actually rules the slave, rather than gives into his own insecurities.  You used the term "chickenshit" and I think it would fit in your latest reply here in referring to such a master, no?.  A girl following the guidance of an insecure Master is not necessarily chickenshit in that case.  Hence what I said earlier - it could very well be due to poor training.


A mutual cowardice is still only that.

I envision the beautiful dance of the tango, legs and bodies intertwined, moving as one entity to the music that fills the room.  One might witness such an event and see two equal parts, coming together as one.  And still others may see there is one in the lead, as the other follows so smoothly and subtly that this dynamic is nearly impossible to understand with the untrained eye.  Both are committed to the dance...to the music...wrapped up together in the passion while still acutely aware of each step, as such a beauty does not merely happen on its own; it takes great effort and focus.

Now I ask, should he move the two bodies in the wrong direction...should she assume the lead and take over?  Storm off the dance floor? Or would a better technique be to whisper in his ear of her concern, so that he can change their direction.

And if he turns his head and will not hear her?  Does she break her commitment to the performance and abandon it? 

What if she does not see that he is taking them to the wrong corner of the dance floor?  What if, in her role in this dance, she is focused on her steps as they respond to the guidance of his body, and therefore remains at his hand?  Is this cowardice on her part?

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RE: too compliant? - 8/31/2006 10:24:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Homestead

I have been out in bdsm scenes for over ten years.



Wow.

So? I have been in "the scene" for over eighteen. Anyone who has been in "the scene" for so long should know that this does not endow you with some infalible and heavenly power or right to judge others with crass labels and broad, sweeping generalizations about a way of life others choose to live.





I made specific points about the way SOME choose to allow themselves to be abused. Because I have seen it first hand, and seen the damage done.

And I do not need YOUR approval to say so-it's simply a matter of record.

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RE: too compliant? - 8/31/2006 10:39:38 AM   
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Amayos, I've been in the scene for 18 years too but,... I just don't matter I guess.
Lets let the new people say how things should be done.

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RE: too compliant? - 8/31/2006 10:51:23 AM   
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But why would he take it from her?  Why would he want to?  Why not put it away for her in case, just in case the day ever comes that she no longer feels that being a slave is right for her?  Where does she go then?  No more career advancement, no home to take her kids to, no money, nothing. 


Marie,
There is no "taking it from her", it was gift. Actually, the reality is these material the material things that people seem to be so focused upon weren't a consideration. The best description of them, the cars, money, etcetera; are best described as "baggage". Yes, beth came to me with "baggage" as I had mine when I met her. Together we now have collective "baggage", collective "stuff" we've gathered in the years spent together. Often we shake our heads and wonder how and why, originating from an apartment of 750 square feet we've managed 3 1/2 years later to collect enough stuff to fill a huge home. Who does it belong to? Us, even if it is only in my name.

But it's the "just in case" part of your question that may be the missing piece of the puzzle. Our goal and plans before formalizing our relationship was focused on success not failure. Our "just in case" didn't focus on our relationship failing. Our "just in case" was about outside influences over which we had no control. Some have occurred such as, rebounding residential replicants, and older parents needing care. Because we discussed them we were ready. Some haven't occurred such as an incapacitating illness of either of us or dramatic household income change; but we have discussed and have plans for that too. Even the most traumatic, a death of one of us has a 'plan for success'. Our legalizing our relationship in the eyes of the government in a few weeks is the final part of that planning.

Notice that one thing isn't planned for, a change in the attitude or in the foundation of our relationship. If you don't have that confidence and trust in the other individual you are right you can't give all to another. Regardless of who has the title of the houses, cars, or other material items, what is any of it worth without that trust? We didn't give our personal balance sheet any consideration when we started out, I confidently speak for both of us, its not in consideration now. 

If beth announces to me she no longer "feels like being a slave", I'd suspect she developed a brain tumor affecting her thought process. Same applies for me waking up not feeling like being a Master. The process before giving that level of commitment to each other and the trust that every eventuality was considered provides that level of confidence in both our "feelings".

The bottom line is neither of us "took" anything from the other. Each of us gave all to us. There is no material possession considered in those two sentences.

Lastly, the only "doormats" I own are in front of our doors. In case of earthquake, fire,  oncoming tsunami, or pending meteor the only possession I'd value enough to run back into the house to get would be beth. Once she was out, we'd watch the world end around us naked on the front lawn in each others arms. When we die, all that baggage will be sold by our replicants at a yard sale anyway. If any part of us exists beyond our last breath its not going to be something we bought. Is this a "practical" way for either of us to live in the context of 2006 reality? NOPE, but we're having fun and enjoying the hell out of every day we live together in this manner.

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RE: too compliant? - 8/31/2006 10:51:24 AM   
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Tammyjo,
i understand what You are saying and agree.
Without a doubt i want one with a good Dominant
lil_joy

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"The Story of O" is fiction first so I wouldn't get too worried about it playing out in real life unless you are with someone who can't distinguish fantasy from reality.

Second, complaint to me is only too much when it involves anyone other than me. If Fox were to start obeying everyone else and going out of his way to serve anyone else then I'd start to feel his submission to me wasn't special. Frankly I deserve special so I wouldn't settle for less.

Something else to consider: Is O's first "master" (I'm using the term loosely) a good man or a bad man? Do you want to be in a relationship with a good dominant or a bad one?

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