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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

It's not that hard really. 

You ask someone to force you into it.  They either are able to force you into it or not. 

When I get into a force play scene, you better believe I don't give an inch willingly.

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ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

Actually, I understand where you are coming from, Lucky.  But I also agree with Lotus.
The primary "forced" play areas are "forced femme", "forced cd" and "forced bi".  We could also include "forced strap-on play". I am referring to the most common on lists as "forced" as well as the most common situations  that come up in discussions between Dominant and submissive.   
Now I understand that when I own a boy, if he is straight, and has no interest in a bi-scene, but would submit to My will because he is My property, that is a forced situation.  And the pleasure usually comes from pleasing the Lady, as opposed to the act itself.
But we all know, at least the Dominas know, that when a boy says he wants forced femme, and then he starts dragging out the wardrobe and he has nicer footwear than we do, that there is nothing forced about it.  All he is really looking for is a partner to help feed his fanatsy or kink.
And this is the kind of forced that comes up the most often.  "I want you to force me to do such and such" doesn't sound very submissive to Me.  And I certainly don't consider it "forced".  *Smile*

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

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ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

Actually, I understand where you are coming from, Lucky.  But I also agree with Lotus.
The primary "forced" play areas are "forced femme", "forced cd" and "forced bi".  We could also include "forced strap-on play". I am referring to the most common on lists as "forced" as well as the most common situations  that come up in discussions between Dominant and submissive.   
Now I understand that when I own a boy, if he is straight, and has no interest in a bi-scene, but would submit to My will because he is My property, that is a forced situation.  And the pleasure usually comes from pleasing the Lady, as opposed to the act itself.
But we all know, at least the Dominas know, that when a boy says he wants forced femme, and then he starts dragging out the wardrobe and he has nicer footwear than we do, that there is nothing forced about it.  All he is really looking for is a partner to help feed his fanatsy or kink.
And this is the kind of forced that comes up the most often.  "I want you to force me to do such and such" doesn't sound very submissive to Me.  And I certainly don't consider it "forced".  *Smile*

It's only forced (for me) if I come up with something unexpected to do to Slave.. and he says "Wha...?..uh.... I guess..  "   

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ORIGINAL: MistressWolfen

woohoo Homestead, but, can they wrassle? That is the driving question of the day? *nods sagely*

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"To learn the art of submission a slave must first give up the desires that drew him to submission in the first place." Mistress Jasmyn Jan 2005.

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

Someone has "forced" cunilingus as an interest :)   

I just get this vivid picture in my mind of  holding his nose and yelling.. (ala Margaret Cho)
"Now eat your Pooosy!.. There are people that have nooooo Poooosy to eat!!!"

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

(I know the answer to this but just presenting the topic for discussion)

How can you say you want to be "forced" to do a certain activity... I mean, if you are ASKING for it.... who ya trying to kid?

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ORIGINAL: NastyDaddy

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

Someone has "forced" cunilingus as an interest :)   

I just get this vivid picture in my mind of  holding his nose and yelling.. (ala Margaret Cho)
"Now eat your Pooosy!.. There are people that have nooooo Poooosy to eat!!!"

Perhaps the presumed definition of "forced" is actually out of context? After all, eating a panty-wrapped pussy requires the tongue to be "forced" between the panties and the pussy. The amount and degree is contingent on a number of "required force" factors...

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ORIGINAL: amayos

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

(I know the answer to this but just presenting the topic for discussion)

How can you say you want to be "forced" to do a certain activity... I mean, if you are ASKING for it.... who ya trying to kid?

I suppose the big sister to this question would be, "Is there such a thing as consensual nonconsenuality?"

I believe there is, though its authenticity is elusive. One can undertake to obey all commands in a general sense without knowing the specificity or depth of what commands may arrive. But to foreground plainly, perhaps the simple image of an iron cage would suffice. A naked girl or boy may choose to enter it, but once the door growls shut and is locked and the key set across the room, the force of the bars will be real, indeed, and nothing but an act of the divine will free you until your captor deems it.

Of course, one could still say the choice to enter the cage trumps the lack of choice that may develope while within it. The two wolves of if, then logic and philosophy encircle this question—which is quite a good one and seems to loop upon itself. It reminds me of something like a rendering from Escher.