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DiannaVesta -> RE: The great gift/tribute/money domme question (12/9/2006 7:39:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Morrigel

*chuckles*  Always good to hear from you, Dianna.  You said a mouthful.  [;)]

--M


lol- yeah I know and I was just going to post the first line but once I got on that roll I couldn't stop!




MzTlaz -> RE: The great gift/tribute/money domme question (12/9/2006 7:58:11 AM)

You are one of the few that seems to get it.   You are quite right in saying posting in the forums, having something interesting to say, will get you noticed.....it has.

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ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn

I actually don't think money domination is as prevalent as you may perceive that it is. What you are experiencing is perception bias, which is caused by noticing that the easiest path to achieving what you desire is through the noise caused by dominants who advertise seeking your money. Finding someone who isn't a money domme is a longer path, which means you have to participate in forums, seek out partners from real communities, and explore avenues that a simple phone call isn't going to allow you to achieve in an easy manner.

The women who are seeking submissives and slaves are real, but that's the perception bias problem you have to work your way through. Being real, they aren't just fantasies. They have wants and desires, and they don't exist to cater specifically to your fantasies. Sometimes, it takes a submissive years to discover this, even though it should be obvious and quite readily apparent. It took me some years to figure this out as I was discovering bdsm by reading femdom newspapers and magazines, convinced that it was all about the fantasy. No, the publishing avenue was all about the fantasy, and thus, it took me some time to realize that there were real people behind the facades that were built up around bondage and discipline.

I've come across MANY women in my time in bdsm communities who are very real and not seeking your money. But the work to get in those circles took time and effort. A horny guy seeking to get his rocks off (and I'm not saying that's what you are) is going to have a harder time connecting in that environment than he will in an environment that caters to him, the pay for play environment.





FemmeOwner -> RE: The great gift/tribute/money domme question (12/9/2006 8:07:39 AM)

No joke.   a year and a half, 550+ submissives messaging me (yes, I even keep a database of every one who has ever messaged me) and I am no closer than I was when I started.  grrrrrrrrr!  They'll "do anything" to be My slave... until I ask for their phone number, or tell them I won't be whipping their butts or catering to their fetish needs, or... or....  Criminy

Maybe the good ones are already taken. Or maybe they just don't make 'em the way they used to.  I dunno.

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ORIGINAL: DiannaVesta
And ladies, lets get real… maybe a few of you have been so luck in finding a good relationship with a submissive male without all the painstaking effort. NO other relationship on the planet requires SO much work as finding a truly submissive man. But I would judge to say that 80% of you are without a slave and the ones that will fess up and be honest will tell you how hard it is and that they have to weed out a whole lot of selfish jerks to find a prince.




subfever -> RE: The great gift/tribute/money domme question (12/9/2006 9:06:26 AM)

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...Not all dominant women, here or anywhere, are charging money.  But I'd bet a lot of the ones who look like fetish models are!  Know why?  Because sex work of any kind will generally make you more money per hour of effort than any job you can get with a Ph.D....if you happen to look like a fetish model.... 


<Sigh>... Just where are these fetish-model, hookers with whips?  

They say time is money. When I look back and add up the countless hours I've invested on internet-related activities over the past decade looking to get my sexually-submissive kinks fulfilled, I would have gladly paid a few fetish-model hookers with whips!

An hour goes by awful fast when playing online. One hour average per day over 10 years is 3,650 hours. That's a huge investment.

IMO... it's better to just pay the Ladies, get your jollies, get it out of your system, and do something productive with the time otherwise wasted looking to get your sexually-submissive rocks off for "free."




Morrigel -> RE: The great gift/tribute/money domme question (12/9/2006 9:43:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: subfever
<Sigh>... Just where are these fetish-model, hookers with whips?  


Try New York.  That's where pro-domme-turned-horror-writer Kimberly Warner-Cohen used to work, and the place she worked for chose their girls specifically for their look.  She made enough money at the job to fly to London frequently for recreation, etc..  Still works as a fetish model occasionally.

--M 




pinkkeith -> RE: The great gift/tribute/money domme question (12/9/2006 10:04:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Morrigel

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ORIGINAL: subfever
<Sigh>... Just where are these fetish-model, hookers with whips?  


Try New York.  That's where pro-domme-turned-horror-writer Kimberly Warner-Cohen used to work, and the place she worked for chose their girls specifically for their look.  She made enough money at the job to fly to London frequently for recreation, etc..  Still works as a fetish model occasionally.

--M 


Could even look through the profiles on the other side. I've seen a number of ProDoms advertising their profession. It isn't too hard to find once you look for it. [;)]




MissyRane -> RE: The great gift/tribute/money domme question (12/9/2006 12:21:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DiannaVesta

This thread will no doubt be ANOTHER long one. We've all beat this dog a millions times, a million ways. If giving gifts and tribute to a woman is an issue, move on down the line.

I don’t know how many of you were in the scene back in the 70’s & 80’s before the web, but all we had to rely on was black and white fetish publications.

I think tribute was much more expected back then then it is today. We use to place ads and there was often a 20 or more in the envelope even if you didn’t request it in your ad. The mindset is that we get approached by so many men and at least 80% (I’m being kind) have no intention on following through and no clue what a dominant woman really wants. This is a fact and far too many of them expect a dominant woman to be all over them simply because they say, “I want to be your slave”. What bull! If only we could hear the unconscious ramblings below that request. The selfish motivations of a sexually needy male.


Oh yeah but I’m a female supremacist and I hate men! Lol- damn forgot that. What the fuck do I know?


And ladies, lets get real… maybe a few of you have been so luck in finding a good relationship with a submissive male without all the painstaking effort. NO other relationship on the planet requires SO much work as finding a truly submissive man. But I would judge to say that 80% of you are without a slave and the ones that will fess up and be honest will tell you how hard it is and that they have to weed out a whole lot of selfish jerks to find a prince.


Very few males are capable of following instruction and why the hell would I want a male that can’t? If you can’t set a plan of action that includes getting and keeping her attention then don’t even get involved because the reality is that NONE of you, submissive males, really want a woman that caters to you. That’s exactly what a woman is doing when she allows a male to give her the run around. Very few times are they on equal playing ground and when this happens it beautiful BUT when you take a seasoned Domina, THAT CAN HAVE almost anyone she wants because of her experience then you gotta jump through a few hoops. This isn’t just about money but that men stop this whining and time wasting.


You know I have a FREE online training course that step by step lays out a femdom training course for a slave. Sure we ask them, if they want to ALSO download the audios to upgrade to paid for 14.95!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! holy shit 14.95 to support us. 14.95 to support the education of so many dominant women, couples and submissives. “Oh but it should be free… there’s lots of free sites, why should I pay?” I won’t even get into all of that because its all pretty pathetic.


Anyhow, its still FREE for anyone that chooses to take it and follow the course. It involves a commitment, meditation and denial. I still get email from guys begging to be my slave that actually say, “But I’m not into that!” I just want to pull my hair out. It gets old.


  Everyone wants, wants and wants but no one wants to make a commitment and honestly I see this as being the major down fall in the community today. That’s why so many of you are alone and turning up empty handed. You expect things to just fall in your lap. Just BECAUSE your dominant OR just because you offer yourself, your counterpart should just magically arrive.


I’m so sick of the same damn topics with the same lame ass answers and self righteous shit about how YOU happen to be lucky enough to not have to put up with all the BS, when in reality you know damn well that ain’t true.


Lol- damn I’m sorry to get on this rant but come on! Lets wake up and get constructive and stop this petty ass back and forth non-constructive mud slinging. If a woman expects gift then OK. Guys if this bothers you then stay away from these women that do. Plain and simple. Ladies if you expect gifts and to be taken care of then just say so. Lay it on the table. Don’t make excuses because there are men out there that DO want to honor you like a QUEEN and make sure you have what you need without all the bitching, whining and complaining. The MOMENT you begin to settle for less that’s exactly what you’re going to get. In fact you’ll get bombarded with it. Set your sights high and wait for the right situations. If a submissive man can’t meet your standards then move his ass on down the line and don’t waste your breath. TRUST me there are men worth your time if you’ll just stop believing you don’t deserve it and keep wasting your breath/time on guys who want you to fulfill their sexual fantasies.


Oh damn I better stop! Lol My hormone are raging which is why I’m on fire but everything I’m saying is true. This should get some shit sling and porve my point exactly.


Did anyone catch the interview with Michelle Peters I did? She talked about how things were back in the 60 and 80’s. People respected each other and slaves did as they were told, honoring their mistress’s and masters. It was a really tight knit community where differences were respected and there wasn’t all this petty ass crap.


ROTF Goddess you're a gem![:D]




DiannaVesta -> RE: The great gift/tribute/money domme question (12/9/2006 12:33:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MissyRane

ROTF Goddess you're a gem![:D]


Lol- I’m a menopausal woman that works too hard and has heard enough stinking whining to last me a life time! lol   But thank you honey pot!




cloudboy -> RE: The great gift/tribute/money domme question (12/9/2006 12:57:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: servantanthony

Is it the tired eyes of a submissive losing the faith or has the world of BDSM changed? It seems in my eyes, that money domination is taking a more prevelant part in BDSM life. These days even if not mentioned in the profile it is not uncommon for a Mistress to 'demand' so called financial gifts in order for males to talk to them. Is there anyone who is still interested in the old values of bdsm, the actual power exchange or is this world just about money?



If you send $20.00 to my paypal account, I'll respond with an inciteful, possibly ground-breaking reply.




MissyRane -> RE: The great gift/tribute/money domme question (12/9/2006 12:58:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DiannaVesta

Lol- I’m a menopausal woman that works too hard and has heard enough stinking whining to last me a life time! lol   But thank you honey pot!


LOL awwww sounds sexAy though![:)]




DiannaVesta -> RE: The great gift/tribute/money domme question (12/9/2006 1:18:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MissyRane

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ORIGINAL: DiannaVesta

Lol- I’m a menopausal woman that works too hard and has heard enough stinking whining to last me a life time! lol   But thank you honey pot!


LOL awwww sounds sexAy though![:)]


Cuz I AM sexy! Now give me 20 bucks or come clean my house! lol Gotta stay on topic!




littlesarbonn -> RE: The great gift/tribute/money domme question (12/9/2006 2:35:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DiannaVesta

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ORIGINAL: MissyRane

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ORIGINAL: DiannaVesta

Lol- I’m a menopausal woman that works too hard and has heard enough stinking whining to last me a life time! lol   But thank you honey pot!


LOL awwww sounds sexAy though![:)]


Cuz I AM sexy! Now give me 20 bucks or come clean my house! lol Gotta stay on topic!



Usually they tell me to give them 20 bucks AND come clean their house.




Morrigel -> RE: The great gift/tribute/money domme question (12/9/2006 4:33:19 PM)

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Usually they tell me to give them 20 bucks AND come clean their house.



That would be great.  Throw in a foot massage and you're collared!  [:D]

--M




DiannaVesta -> RE: The great gift/tribute/money domme question (12/9/2006 4:48:08 PM)

yeah D! well now that's the offer you been waiting for!

I'll give you 20 bucks to clean my house and let you sleep in the barn!




RandomGAGirl -> RE: The great gift/tribute/money domme question (12/9/2006 4:55:21 PM)

I believe that those looking for money may just be a bit more 'in your face' which is why there seem to be so many.  Don't let yourself be discouraged by that.  I have known subs/slaves who totally support their Master/Mistress and also those who have been totally supported so that they could focus on serving.  I myself am not against helping out my Owner financially and if I ever got to the point where I could support them totally I wouldn't mind one bit BUT that is my own personality.  I think there is a big difference between providing finacial help/support for someone you know and adore and giving money to a complete stranger just so that they will speak to you :(




AcademyForSlaves -> RE: The great gift/tribute/money domme question (12/9/2006 5:05:29 PM)

I've said it before and I'll say it again and again until every man on earth learns it, understands it, and lives it.

If your only focus is on money and "getting it for free" then you don't have what it takes to be a slave.

A slave might be asked to buy dinner, gifts, hand over his wages, and other financial needs.

It is certainly not the Mistress's responsibility to pay for everything.

There is no such thing as FREE slavery.

Slavery is not for cheap selfish males.




littlesarbonn -> RE: The great gift/tribute/money domme question (12/9/2006 5:33:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DiannaVesta

yeah D! well now that's the offer you been waiting for!

I'll give you 20 bucks to clean my house and let you sleep in the barn!


Yep, that's all I've been waiting for. Soon as I wake up my pet penguin, we're getting on our tricycles and riding out there. 20 bucks will completely double my net worth!




DiannaVesta -> RE: The great gift/tribute/money domme question (12/9/2006 5:56:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn

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ORIGINAL: DiannaVesta

yeah D! well now that's the offer you been waiting for!

I'll give you 20 bucks to clean my house and let you sleep in the barn!


Yep, that's all I've been waiting for. Soon as I wake up my pet penguin, we're getting on our tricycles and riding out there. 20 bucks will completely double my net worth!



i'd pay you 20 bucks 2 clean my house.

do I hear 30?




AAkasha -> RE: The great gift/tribute/money domme question (12/9/2006 6:04:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DiannaVesta

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ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn

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ORIGINAL: DiannaVesta

yeah D! well now that's the offer you been waiting for!

I'll give you 20 bucks to clean my house and let you sleep in the barn!


Yep, that's all I've been waiting for. Soon as I wake up my pet penguin, we're getting on our tricycles and riding out there. 20 bucks will completely double my net worth!



i'd pay you 20 bucks 2 clean my house.

do I hear 30?


I'd pay a male sub 20 dollars to clean my house, but all they do is jerk off and steal my panties.

Akasha




DiannaVesta -> RE: The great gift/tribute/money domme question (12/9/2006 6:12:54 PM)

ok panties included do I hear 40?




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