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RE: Steve Irwin did not take much risk! - 9/5/2006 2:23:03 PM   
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Wow.  Very impressive research!

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I actually thought it was rather lame. I started out doing it on an outside site with alot more cool stuff but realized I prolly didn't want just anyone having a link that attached to that site.....sooooooooooooo.........


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RE: Steve Irwin did not take much risk! - 9/5/2006 4:48:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		I couldn't be more happy for Steve. Not only did he dream but he lived his dream and it made him rich. How many people get to do what they love best and make a living off of it? Then to top it all off, he died doing what he loved the most being out in nature. We're all going to go some time. Would Steve want to go any other way?

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RE: Steve Irwin did not take much risk! - 9/5/2006 10:59:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		the fact is that in the case of the baby he did take to much of a risk, no matter how much of an expert you might think he was, or what exsamples of tame allogators you might have, you can never be completely safe around a croc, they aren't scared of humans, they aren't tamable, and they don't care if the've already eaten, there far stronger then an allogator and faster then any man. the risks irwin took as a profesional croc handler were calculatored, he knew what he was doing, and did it well, but he had no right to expose his baby to thoughs risks. that being said he wasnt taking a stupid risk swimming with rays, people do it all the time, it was a freak accident. just because he's dead is no reason to deny that he did something stupid and irresposible, but we all do that from time to time, it certainly isnt something he should be condemend for, and shouldnt take away from all the positive things he did, or the fact hat he was a very good animal handler, who mearly created the impression of danger by his over ethusiatic mannerisim around animals most people dont understand

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RE: Steve Irwin did not take much risk! - 9/5/2006 11:05:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster
He's not being precise, but basically he's right:
http://www.alligatorpoint.org/about/Shark.html


Actually, I was being quite precise.  Roughly 50 people have been
killed in Florida by alligators in the last 100 hundred years.    50
people die every year in Florida from lightning strikes, and
twice that number are hit by lightning and survive.  So many more
people are hit by lightning in one year in Florida, than have died
from alligators in the past 100 or so years. 

We have a national park at Shark valley.   The marsh there is
teaming with alligators, and visitors including children are
led through this marsh.  So far no one has ever been attacked
by an alligator. 

Alligators can be house pets and trained to do tricks.  They
have a long memory, and have different personalities.  Most
out of water are fearful of humans.  My biggest problem
in getting huge alligators to eat out of my hand was gaining
their trust.  They are weary of humans the same as stray, wild 
cats.




I wonder how many alligators have been struck by lightning in the past 100 years? Anyone got that answer?

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RE: Steve Irwin did not take much risk! - 9/5/2006 11:09:09 PM   
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RE: Steve Irwin did not take much risk! - 9/5/2006 11:38:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		i agree with Fangs completely.  he had a wonderful life and was truly blessed.  not very many people are that lucky.

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RE: Steve Irwin did not take much risk! - 9/5/2006 11:54:07 PM   
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RE: Steve Irwin did not take much risk! - 9/6/2006 5:01:45 AM   
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Steve adored his children.
Most people enjoy living.  Even more people enjoy living life.
You could die tomorrow... some freak accident.  You could be standing close to an aligator struck by lightening and it might fall on you and its teeth sink into your skull.
Freakishly bizzarre?
No more bizarre than the way Steve died.  People keep talking as though it was all his fault.  No, it wasn't a croc, or a snake or a killer parrot.  It was a freak accident.
What is so hard for people to grasp about that?
 
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RE: Steve Irwin did not take much risk! - 9/6/2006 8:12:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think its sad that the majority of this discussion has been on slandering Steve Irwin and what he potentially stood for.
His actions and his life were all his choice. He was aware of the risks.

His life was incredible and i think many people forget the amazing conservation work he did (i am guessing many people here have not visited Australia Zoo?) not to mention the fact he tried to educate people about animals, which was an invaluable gift to society.

You are all free to your opinions, i am a strong believer in that, but i guess somewhere along the way in our social evolution, we have lost basic social principles. And respect for the deceased seems to have joined the rest.

I have never been a 'Steve fanatic', but one has to admit at least he tried to do some good, even if his method was a little cooky. Not many people can say that they have affected the world in such a way.

I am sure i am going to get flamed for this post, but i think it needed to be said

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RE: Steve Irwin did not take much risk! - 9/6/2006 11:00:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, having unmentionables myself, my house adores Steve Erwin and at dinner we discussed how sad it was that he died. He has taught us all an enourmous amount about animals I'd normally just run away from....screaming. (I really don't like snakes...at all!) I just read somewhere that humans develped our extremely accute eyesight because we neeeded to be able to spot venomous snakes and avoid them. A little Darwinism for you in the early am.
I think Steve was just so comfortable at his Zoo, that he felt it was safe to bring his baby in there. Honestly, many parents do stupid things with their kids, but it's not recorded on television for everyone to see. I have (but don't tell anyone!)
As for his death, I think it was fast and minorly painful so that's good. He knew the risks. His kids have a wonderful Mom who is extremely knowledgable about animals in her own right. I'm sure she will carry on Steves work and ensure her kids get all the info they require, as will Steve's Dad, who taught him how to commune with the animals. They will miss their Dad, but they have a lot of support and friends and money. They will be fine and get to see their Dad regularly on video. There are worse ways to loose a Dad, like if he climbed Mount Everest and couldn't make it. That's a pretty selfish way to die. At least Steve died doing his thing, teaching the world, and we all learned not to swim with rays now didn't we?

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RE: Steve Irwin did not take much risk! - 9/6/2006 11:33:39 AM   
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RE: Steve Irwin did not take much risk! - 9/6/2006 11:40:26 AM   
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RE: Steve Irwin did not take much risk! - 9/6/2006 3:06:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SeveredNeuron
I think its sad that the majority of this discussion has been on slandering Steve Irwin and what he potentially stood for.
His actions and his life were all his choice. He was aware of the risks.


I thought I was being relatively restrained and courteous.  The fact that he's dead doesn't make him immune to criticism and commentary. 

Children have died emulating the behavior that he modelled as acceptable on his shows.  I'm sorry that his habit of getting close to dangerous wild animals finally caught up with him, and sorrier for his wife and kids.  I also hope that no more people need to end up in the hospital or dead because they were imitating him as a role model.

This video accurately sums up my personal feelings and concerns on the subject of wildlife "documentaries" going too far. 
http://www.cnn.com/video/player/player.html?url=/video/showbiz/2006/09/04/rowlands.tv.gone.too.far.cnn&eref=yahoo

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RE: Steve Irwin did not take much risk! - 9/6/2006 9:24:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SeveredNeuron

I am sure i am going to get flamed for this post, but i think it needed to be said
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There's not enough money in the world that would make me flame you for this post. It's a point well made and one that I'll raise of Fosters Beer up to. Here Here to Steve and you.

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RE: Steve Irwin did not take much risk! - 9/6/2006 9:37:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I have to say that NajakCharmer has made a LOT of very good points, and I'm not sure anyone else would have made them if she hadn't.  She has both the experience and the talent for expression to articulate something about Irwin that needs to be said in order to have a fuller appreciation of what he did for a living, even if it possibly tarnishes his legacy.

I don't think anyone denies that his intentions were good, that he introduced wildlife to all kinds of people throughout the world who might otherwise never have known what he showed them, but that doesn't mean that everything he did was wise or beyond criticism--or even in the animals' best interest.  I don't think this has anything to do with "respect for the dead," but you could make the argument, in any case, that the only way to show true respect for the dead is to discuss them as they really were, and not to mythologize them.

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ORIGINAL: SeveredNeuron

I think its sad that the majority of this discussion has been on slandering Steve Irwin and what he potentially stood for.
His actions and his life were all his choice. He was aware of the risks.

His life was incredible and i think many people forget the amazing conservation work he did (i am guessing many people here have not visited Australia Zoo?) not to mention the fact he tried to educate people about animals, which was an invaluable gift to society.

You are all free to your opinions, i am a strong believer in that, but i guess somewhere along the way in our social evolution, we have lost basic social principles. And respect for the deceased seems to have joined the rest.

I have never been a 'Steve fanatic', but one has to admit at least he tried to do some good, even if his method was a little cooky. Not many people can say that they have affected the world in such a way.

I am sure i am going to get flamed for this post, but i think it needed to be said

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RE: Steve Irwin did not take much risk! - 9/6/2006 9:43:06 PM   
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RE: Steve Irwin did not take much risk! - 9/7/2006 12:41:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

$12.95 a bag.  give me a break. they dont use american money in calcutta.

They must, I followed the link LaT posted and it said it right there
< walking away laughin' >

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RE: Steve Irwin did not take much risk! - 9/7/2006 1:57:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		Alligators can be house pets and trained to do tricks. 

Can be, perhaps. should be? NO. just cecause they can be something don't mean we should all run out and make them housepets or even a few should.alon

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RE: Steve Irwin did not take much risk! - 9/7/2006 3:41:00 AM   
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It seemed to me that the alligator that I fed became tame. 
It would get out of water and stand on its hind legs and tail and beg for food, at  which point it stood as tall as me. 
It never made a threatening move.  It let me pet its hard snout, and squish its back. 
It was ten feet long.
  

What the hell have you been smoking? You need to call the cops and tell them there's a bad batch of crack!

I've lived all over Florida most of my life, hunted alligators and wild hogs in the everglades barefooted, had alligators as pets my entire youth after catching their little six inch long asses and raising them on coldcuts and hot dogs until they were big enough to eat raw chicken legs. Toted them in my shirt pocket as I rode my bike delivering newspapers. I've dressed out alligators and eaten alligator tail steaks all my life.

There is no fucking way in hell ANY alligator can stand on it's hind legs, namely because the joints would never support the full weight as they swivel and get pushed out of their sockets. The legs only support weight when at a 90 degree angle (right angle) to their body, and the only other option is angled back parallel to the body for swimming... propelled by horizontal tail sweeps. 

It can't stand on it's tail either, the tail ONLY flexes horizontally... it does NOT flex vertically under muscle control, it simply can't. Do you know what the CG point of an alligator is? You've got your alligators mixed up with your kangaroos!

Did you bitch-slap the alligator that walked up to you on his tail and make him go bury his head in the sand... or did you just look up at him and pet his hard snout?

By the way, those little lizards you see running across the water on their hind legs are not alligators.

I've seen you post some really really stupid shit... but omg dayum this is the coup de' grass!!!   

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RE: Steve Irwin did not take much risk! - 9/7/2006 3:53:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: WhipTheHip
Neither Steve nor his child were in the slightest bit of danger. 
That would have especially been the case with alligators since
alligators do not attack humans.  If you live in alligator country
you have 100 times greater chance of getting hit by lightning
then getting killed by an alligator.   I presume they were
crocs not gators, but even so Steve knew what he was doing.

Tell that to the dozen or so people that alligators attacked and killled last year (2005) in Florida. Three of them happened in September while I was in Kissimmee for a month. Two of those attacks/killings were in the water on swimmers, the other was a jogger alongside a canal.

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