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RE: BLACK SUBMISSIVE FOR WHITE MASTER - 9/11/2006 5:35:11 PM   
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   Race is not an issue for me, but I haven't yet had the pleasure of a black sub.  I have issues with the word "slave" as applied to ANY submissive, but that's just my personal hang-up.

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RE: BLACK SUBMISSIVE FOR WHITE MASTER - 9/11/2006 7:26:55 PM   
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Uhhh...not.  "Creole" comes from the Spanish word "criadillo" (diminutive of "criado"), which means "bred," in other words, born and raised in the New World.  Originally the word referred to anyone born in the New World, whether white or black.  (The Creole aristocracy in the Caribbean was white.)

You know, you can look these things up instead of embarrassing yourself by spouting misinformation.  There is a kind of reference book called an "etymological dictionary."  It will tell you where words come from.

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The term "creole" means blended. plain and simple.  As shown above, Creole cooking started out with African and French.  Since those early beginnings, you can add in Spanish, Italian, German, Mexican, English, and Native American to the list. 


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RE: BLACK SUBMISSIVE FOR WHITE MASTER - 9/11/2006 7:29:55 PM   
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I dont care what color they are, as long as they dont clash with the drapes!


Clash with my Van slipons and you are history.  There are things in this world which are non-negotiable.

Love the Latin quote, Lorelei11.

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RE: BLACK SUBMISSIVE FOR WHITE MASTER - 9/11/2006 8:39:39 PM   
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Yeah, it's cute, except I think it has to be incorrect, right?

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Cuius testiculos habes, habeas cardia et cerebellum.


"Cardia" can't be right.  The Latin word for heart is "cor," which would be "cor" in the accusative; "cardia" is a Latinized Greek word, but it's feminine, so it would have to be "cardiam" in that sentence (and even that would be very weird as Latin).

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Love the Latin quote, Lorelei11.

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RE: BLACK SUBMISSIVE FOR WHITE MASTER - 9/12/2006 12:54:13 AM   
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You know at one time, I did look up Creole in the dictionary, not being sure that I knew what it really meant. As I recall it refers to a blending of races and languages. I was surprised to find out it did not start and end with  french , but spanish and Portugese as well. In fact  it is used in many other places besides New Orleans to refer to other blendings of language, race and culture.

On the other hand, the reason there is a dictionary that explains the "derivation" and "etymology"  of words is precisely because they do change. A word means something to one generation and the opposite to the next. Ask your kids what "bad" or "ill" means.  So in a North American context as well as popular cooking, I think Creole has been over time affixed to the New Orleans culture. When our list mate, said he came from land of  cajuns and appreciated things "Creole", I think he communicated precisely the context he meant to to the majority of readers on this list. I feel compelled to clarify that the first toehold for Acadian immigration was Canada. The  french spoken in Canada, the official language of the province of Quebec, also had it's origins with Acadian immigrants from France.As our listmate mentioned Labradore now part of the province of Newfoundland and Labradore was their first stop in the new world, I would have  included Quebec but maybe that is just because I love Montreal. .To   the current day their language  has more tones and inflections in common with Louisianna french than the "Parisian" french they try to teach you in school. So.the Quebecoise  also have a claim to the word "cajun".

While I am here,  as Wildfleurs' owner, I have something else to say. For a white person traveilling in white circles to contract with a white mate, that is just statistical probability. For a white man travelling in white circles to seek out a particular minority race, that is a statistical anamoly. For a black woman ,finding herself pursued by a white man who wants  her based not on who she is as an individual, but on all the fanciful connotations that her race brings up in that mans head, to find that process "creepy":  well that is just human nature.  And while it might be to that person a fetish like foot fetishism, it is not the same. Two foot fetishists can get together, play, and then put on their shoes and walk back into the mainstream culture, to pick up their fetish play another day. To be defined based on race, in this north american  culture,  that is the kind of  thing revolutions are fought over.

As a kinkster in the environs of several New England urban centers with majority Black populations I cast my net upon the water and came back with a young woman who suited me pretty well. In the place I come from my white skin and blue eyes were taken for granted, but make me a minority on these streets. Her chocolate color is much more mainstream. So we pose a problem of grey scale for every photograph we are in. Unless we are very careful if my face is not overexposed, hers will be underexposed. But that is a small cross to bear. In the ways a dominant man relates to a submissive woman we get on like gangbusters and boys and girls the importance of that can not be overemphasized.

  On the topic of what makes a human being, aspirations and experience, we have much in common. In fact with regard to the trappings and accounting  of whatever makes a yuppie; ie coveted degrees framed on a wall, pictures of self with prominent politicians, success in the marketplace, she ranks higher than  me.  All the interactions pass-or-fail that make a relationship, all had to mesh. And one of the deciding factors is TTWD, for me I needed not only a fellow kinkster, but a kinky, female, submissive-- a minority within a minority within a minority to compliment my dominant bent. For a flatout kinkster in this litigous society, finding your own compliment in the scene, who appreciates you for who you are, is not merely pursuing your muse. It can keep you out of penitentiary. So  I wouldn't call it  a far stretched or unlikely pairing. In the context of a thousand failed relationships between men and women, and the odds against finding one that works.I call it extreme good fortune.

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RE: BLACK SUBMISSIVE FOR WHITE MASTER - 9/12/2006 3:39:13 AM   
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here I sit, reading how porcelaine, and now lordofelephants take things too literally.  No, I did not do the etymology of the word, because that is not the point of this post.  And yes, Evlgryn has a point, although to the best of my knowledge, and family history, it is Nova Scotia where is the first acadian's came to the new world.  then the powers that be didn't want them there, so they moved south.

Porcelaine, darlin, you pick a fight with someone who pays attention to details... I gotta say I love how your profile says african american, not other, as you say you are creole (which I do believe, and am not questioning you on.)  

The original point I was trying to make has been lost in translation.




I digress.



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RE: BLACK SUBMISSIVE FOR WHITE MASTER - 9/12/2006 7:59:00 AM   
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Uh huh.  When you say something and it turns out to be patently false, blame the person who pointed it out!  While you're at it, call him names, too.

Great strategy there, CreoleCook.

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here I sit, reading how porcelaine, and now lordofelephants take things too literally.

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RE: BLACK SUBMISSIVE FOR WHITE MASTER - 9/12/2006 8:15:29 AM   
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I like a black submissive, especially a female

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RE: BLACK SUBMISSIVE FOR WHITE MASTER - 9/12/2006 5:21:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Uh huh.  When you say something and it turns out to be patently false, blame the person who pointed it out!  While you're at it, call him names, too.



here we go again...  Okay, dammit... Though for someone named Lord and Master, you sure don't have all the answers.  The history of "creole" people in New Orleans is as I spoke of.  MOST people in this world don't refer to the Caribbean when seeing, or hearing the word "creole."  they think New Orleans.  I was NOt speaking of PEOPLE, either, when I defined what "creole" means.  I was talking about FOOD.  Reread it... you'll see it clearly.  Now going back to the original post I made, I did refer to african american/ creole/ black women in one lump sum.  Porcelaine pointed out that I did know there was a difference between creole, and african american women, right?  Well, as I pointed out by my next post, Yes, I am well aware of the differences between the two, going so far as to describe how "creole cooking" came into being, and how it refers to the "blending" of styles.  Why the hell did I get off on a tangent, I don't know... I'm a chef.  Everything relates to cooking, in one way or another, dammit!

Now with that said... I see two elephants fucking as your avatar, Lord and Master... since I personally believe every REAL Master is dead, ie. Rembrandt, Michaelangelo, Mozart.... I do not enjoy referring to ANYONE as Master.  I thought it was cute calling you Lord of elephants.  I'm sorry you took offense, but then, you keep trying to call me down on something you are misunderstanding from the start.

CC


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RE: BLACK SUBMISSIVE FOR WHITE MASTER - 9/12/2006 5:37:47 PM   
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Yeah, this thread is about food.

And not to put too fine a point on it, but I don't get the feeling that you know enough about the world to be able to say what most people think the word "Creole" means.  The word has many different senses.  It's the name of a language for one thing--not a language spoken in New Orleans, however.  (Where's it spoken?  In Haiti, which is in the CARIBBEAN.)

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ORIGINAL: CreoleCook

here we go again...  Okay, dammit... Though for someone named Lord and Master, you sure don't have all the answers.  The history of "creole" people in New Orleans is as I spoke of.  MOST people in this world don't refer to the Caribbean when seeing, or hearing the word "creole."  they think New Orleans.  I was NOt speaking of PEOPLE, either, when I defined what "creole" means.  I was talking about FOOD.


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RE: BLACK SUBMISSIVE FOR WHITE MASTER - 9/12/2006 6:18:20 PM   
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When did this topic turn into a pissing contest?
It's funny how the uncomfortable topics tend to end up this way.
 
No offense to both of you but in a big way you seem to be arguing semantics and perception and it has NOTHING to do with the OPs question. At first it was amusing at least to me, then it reminded me of 2 jocks in high school puffing out their chests and comparing who scores more.



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RE: BLACK SUBMISSIVE FOR WHITE MASTER - 9/12/2006 6:26:11 PM   
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< Message edited by CreoleCook -- 9/12/2006 6:57:40 PM >


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RE: BLACK SUBMISSIVE FOR WHITE MASTER - 9/12/2006 6:37:34 PM   
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In my opinion that is semantics and as I said it has nothing to do with the OPs original question. Here is an idea if you two truly want to debate this issue why not start another thread and do it there?
 
(by the way this is Nika, though our signature signs both because it is a shared account I thought the purple font would give it away..lol)
 

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RE: BLACK SUBMISSIVE FOR WHITE MASTER - 9/12/2006 6:52:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CreoleCook

here I sit, reading how porcelaine, and now lordofelephants take things too literally.  No, I did not do the etymology of the word, because that is not the point of this post.  And yes, Evlgryn has a point, although to the best of my knowledge, and family history, it is Nova Scotia where is the first acadian's came to the new world.  then the powers that be didn't want them there, so they moved south.

Porcelaine, darlin, you pick a fight with someone who pays attention to details... I gotta say I love how your profile says african american, not other, as you say you are creole (which I do believe, and am not questioning you on.)  

The original point I was trying to make has been lost in translation.

I digress.



If you really digressed you would have saved your keystrokes and allowed the conversation to remain where it stood - dead. Instead you return at a later time spouting and making silly insinuations. Only an idiot picks a fight with someone that is ill prepared for battle and not worthy of the effort. While you may love the supposed disparity shown in my profile. I find your pathetic attempt at logic and condescending tone to be representative of the breeding and masculinity you lack. But then again, we must all find our forum somewhere. I assume you've discovered yours. Carry on.

porcelaine

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RE: BLACK SUBMISSIVE FOR WHITE MASTER - 9/12/2006 6:53:48 PM   
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RE: BLACK SUBMISSIVE FOR WHITE MASTER - 9/12/2006 7:03:28 PM   
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I would erase every post if I could, but obviously I cannot.  My apologies anyone who has read this thread, and found our pissing match to overtake what this original thread was about.

If I offended, my apologies.



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RE: BLACK SUBMISSIVE FOR WHITE MASTER - 9/12/2006 10:23:53 PM   
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OK, in the spirit of conciliation, lets just say the Acadian French first settled on the northeastern coast of what is now canada. I know from living in Montreal that they were acadian too, but I had to look up the Labrador connection.

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RE: BLACK SUBMISSIVE FOR WHITE MASTER - 9/12/2006 10:34:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster
The word has many different senses.  It's the name of a language for one thing--not a language spoken in New Orleans, however.  (Where's it spoken?  In Haiti, which is in the CARIBBEAN.)
I know at least one other country with Creole as an official language.   M

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RE: BLACK SUBMISSIVE FOR WHITE MASTER - 9/13/2006 3:00:03 AM   
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greetings to all
 
i have been on dates with white males and i had people stranger throw rocks and call me names, but when i take him to a black club or some place like that tthe black males will call me whore or white man's trash. this has trully happen to me. but thye the black males can have a white female in the club and it is ok. i do not understand that. but i do prefer white males sexually black males no nothing happen. i like your hair or even if you do not have one (hair) i still enjoy the company of someone with smarts not all balck males are crimal or drug addicts. but some are and i found white males find me the best thing since slice bread with butter
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RE: BLACK SUBMISSIVE FOR WHITE MASTER - 9/13/2006 7:11:43 AM   
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Well, yes, there are many different creoles.  I was reluctant to get into this, because the thread Nazis are distressed by digressions.

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster
The word has many different senses.  It's the name of a language for one thing--not a language spoken in New Orleans, however.  (Where's it spoken?  In Haiti, which is in the CARIBBEAN.)
I know at least one other country with Creole as an official language.   M

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