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RE: Freedom Isnt Free - 9/9/2006 9:48:49 AM   
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Level, although I very seldom disagree with you, I can't take the source you used too seriously.  Self hate...self loathing are relatively common themes.  Maybe he wasn't, but that source wouldn't convince me.


Disagree??  

Morning, bandit . That was one of the first sites I came to to address Hitler's "jewishness", but there are certainly more.
 
"Hitler's grandmother was not Jewish.
 
There are some rumors hinting that Hitler's grandfather was Jewish. Few, if any, of the reputable historians on the Holocaust believe that this is so. It is more likely that Hitler tried to keep the murky history of his family quite secret because there was a high incidence of insanity and feeble-mindedness in his ancestors. "
 
http://www.holocaust-history.org/questions/hitler-jewish.shtml



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RE: Freedom Isnt Free - 9/9/2006 10:06:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Slightly off topic. A good read about the origin of European Jews is Arthur Koestler's book The Thirteenth Tribe. His thesis is that European Jews were originally Khazars. It's a good read, Koestler was Jewish himself and this is a serious book and shouldn't be dismissed as a thesis by a self-hating Jew. I find history fascinating but I'm no historian so I can't vouch for the scholarship of this book.

http://www.christusrex.org/www2/koestler/

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RE: Freedom Isnt Free - 9/9/2006 11:05:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Meatcleaver said
To be honest, I can't think of a revolution that was truely about the freedom of the masses, they are all by the middle classes exploiting political situations.

Thats without a doubt true. If Working Class/Blue Collar elements get restless they are usually, and certainly in the past, quickly dealt with. I am ALWAYS surprised why average social status Americans are so patriotic. Shows the power of the media I guess. Keep 'em hooked on soaps and slanted news. Clearly the US government is plutocratic, but its undeniable their type of "freedom" has produced some spectacular results.

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RE: Freedom Isnt Free - 9/9/2006 12:26:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		No need to post your reply to my mail on the other side NavyDDG54, I read a thread as long as it continues to hold my attention or the OP (whether I am in agreement or not) defends it intelligently and with sound logic.

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RE: Freedom Isnt Free - 9/9/2006 12:48:14 PM   
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Read some real news and history. Are you being paid by someone to spout this?




do some research, look at the pictures of the roads paved with tombstones.  Find me one Jew who prayed at the western wall between 1948-1967. Go ahead. I'm sure I can find arabs who prayed at the dome of the Rock.  And that image of the burning scroll...I saw it on CNN(your 'true' source for news) I also have seen first hand photos of the tomb of Rachel, it's almost unrecognizable anymore.  The ambulances are FACT. the fence is FACT. my 7 year old cousin was killed on a schoolbus riding to school by an Arab bomb. my best friend was blown up in a Sbarros.  Yet Israel is the evil group right?


Speaking of roads..
Israel subsidizes housing complexes all over the Palestinian lands. Builds highways to them that make swiss cheese of Palestine. The locals are not allowed to use most of these roads. While the Israeli citizens enjoy military protected freedom in their subdivisions, the Palestinians are under curfews and routinely abused by Israeli extremeist citizens in their own land and homes. Israel is dissolving Palestine. Palestinians have little recourse but so called terrorist attacks.
Palestine, Gaza etc are concentration camps with a slow motion extermination campaign being conducted, upon those who are brave enough or desperate enough to stay in their own country as it is anihalated. Those Israeli built highways  and suburbs are built on the dead of Palestine. But it seems one Israeli death is to be mourned more than a thousand Arab.


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RE: Freedom Isnt Free - 9/9/2006 7:18:43 PM   
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Not gonna trust that source. Not one bit.

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RE: Freedom Isnt Free - 9/9/2006 7:39:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		http://www.threeworldwars.com/world-war-2/adolf-hitler.htm

"Consider his hint that Hitler's grandfather might have been a Jew. There is no reason to believe the unlikely story told by Langer's informant that Hitler's grandmother Maria Anna Schickelgruber, a peasant woman in her forties from the Waldvietral of rural Austria, had had an intimate liason with a Baron Rothschild in Vienna.
But Hitler had worried that he might be blackmailed over a Jewish grandfather and ordered his private lawyer, Hans Frank, to investigate his paternal lineage.
Frank did so and told the Fuehrer that his grandmother had become pregnant while working as a domestic servant in a Jewish household in Graz.
The facts of this matter are in dispute—and a very lengthy dispute it has been.  The point of overriding psychological and historical importance is not whether it is true that Hitler had a Jewish grandfather, but whether he believed that it might be true.
He did so believe and the fact shaped both his personality and his public policy."


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RE: Freedom Isnt Free - 9/9/2006 8:48:42 PM   
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how else were they supposed to fight? they had no other weapons that would have been effective. They were fighting for independence, and targeted legitimate targets in that effort. They did not kill target innocent people


I take it there is no chance of you seeing the irony in this post?

As for freedom, don't forget the liberals and socialists and communists who volunteered for the Abraham Lincoln brigedes to fight fascism at a time when most Republicans were busy envying Hitler and trying to prevent America from arming.

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RE: Freedom Isnt Free - 9/9/2006 8:56:23 PM   
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Yeah, how did our oil get under their land? What's up with that?


you dam American's are always misplacing things

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RE: Freedom Isnt Free - 9/10/2006 6:46:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Both the UK and the US have made political mistakes.
 
Aren't the British supposed to be the masters of understatement?

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RE: Freedom Isnt Free - 9/10/2006 6:49:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hitler had some Jewish blood. Possibly Grandfather, can't remember. But to say that made him Jewish is bordering on the bizarre.

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RE: Freedom Isnt Free - 9/10/2006 7:02:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		ok   Here is something that I don't understand and never have.   Jewish is a religion.  A faith based system.  How does it become a race?   I thought there were only 3 basic races - mongoloid, caucasoid, and negroid.  I also know that there are subclasses in those for example Ethiopioans are considered caucasoid even though their skins are black and their hair is kinky.   How is it possible that, once a persons heritage somewhere in the past has been determined, this determines race.  If thatt were true, most of us would be Jewish.   And pagan, and et all. 

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RE: Freedom Isnt Free - 9/10/2006 7:04:04 AM   
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He was a cheerleader too

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RE: Freedom Isnt Free - 9/10/2006 7:07:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		True Ken. He's all things to all men/women - apart from those of us who don't support slaughter!

Point taken about Jewish blood. The point I was trying to make (and badly) was/is just because Hitler had a grandfather who considered himself Jewish this does not make Hitler Jewish.

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RE: Freedom Isnt Free - 9/10/2006 7:17:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		As for freedom, don't forget the liberals and socialists and communists who volunteered for the Abraham Lincoln brigedes to fight fascism at a time when most Republicans were busy envying Hitler and trying to prevent America from arming.
 
CrappyDom, you're letting the facts get in the way of a good story.

Very much the same here - Franco's Hitler backed fascist oppression was opposed by the left who went to fight in Spain while British Conservatives and the Upper-Classes were busy cosying up to Hitler over a cup of tea and a slice of cake.

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RE: Freedom Isnt Free - 9/10/2006 7:28:01 AM   
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ok   Here is something that I don't understand and never have.   Jewish is a religion.  A faith based system.  How does it become a race?   I thought there were only 3 basic races - mongoloid, caucasoid, and negroid.  I also know that there are subclasses in those for example Ethiopioans are considered caucasoid even though their skins are black and their hair is kinky.   How is it possible that, once a persons heritage somewhere in the past has been determined, this determines race.  If thatt were true, most of us would be Jewish.   And pagan, and et all. 


Caucasian isn't white.  It's anyone whose race originated from an area encomposing some of Europe and parts of Africa, I'm not sure the exact area.  But yes, black Morrocans are actually Caucasian.  The word got corrupted in the 20th century.

Now to be Jewish your mother has to be Jewish, as that's how the bloodline is passed down.  Judaism is the religion of a specific group of people.

Actually, the media and certain groups corrupt words further.  It doesn't matter what race you are you can become Muslim, yet the media always calls anyone who disagrees with a Muslim a racist.

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RE: Freedom Isnt Free - 9/10/2006 7:30:29 AM   
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As for freedom, don't forget the liberals and socialists and communists who volunteered for the Abraham Lincoln brigedes to fight fascism at a time when most Republicans were busy envying Hitler and trying to prevent America from arming.
 
CrappyDom, you're letting the facts get in the way of a good story.

Very much the same here - Franco's Hitler backed fascist oppression was opposed by the left who went to fight in Spain while British Conservatives and the Upper-Classes were busy cosying up to Hitler over a cup of tea and a slice of cake.

Regards




So the Republicans were the peacemakers and the Deomcrats were warmongers?  About the same in the UK?

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RE: Freedom Isnt Free - 9/10/2006 8:05:45 AM   
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Agree completely with Kedicat. What exactly is this war on terror? Who are the terrorists? I know the common line is they are the "Islamo-fascists" but has anyone ever told us who these people are and explained why they are a threat?

It is all propaganda - just vague terms designed to prey on people's fears and insecurities.

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Absolutely. I agree with Kedicat also. This is propaganda at the highest level used to create an enemy, for the primary purpose of fomenting war that the unthinking masses will accept as a necessary evil.  


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RE: Freedom Isnt Free - 9/10/2006 8:30:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		KenDckey,
 
War isn't good or bad, it is an action, what makes it good or bad is the motive behind it.  Same with peace, it isn't good or bad in and of itself.  As MLK said, "peace isn't the absense of violence, it is the presence of justice".
 
As for WWII, do some readings on the prewar politics, it is quite interesting.  If you really want to rock your world, do a google search on a certain Marine General by the name of Smedley Butler!
 
 

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