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pinkee -> RE: Oh what shlock (9/12/2006 6:15:14 AM)
well, i like CrappyDom and SirKenin, and think there's nothing whatsoever that could do 9/11 justice. pinkee

KenDckey -> RE: Oh what shlock (9/12/2006 6:45:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: peterK50 Please don't anyone get too hung up on the 9/11 Commission report. It is a political diccument not a gospel. Who was called, what questions were asked, what was include in the report was all done politically. Bush & Cheney were questioned in private & not under oath. Debating it is a waste of time. That can be said of any document link etc that anyone can post. But the commission was made up of 5 dems and 5 reps so it is probably the most unbiased thing out there.

Rule -> RE: Oh what shlock (9/12/2006 8:45:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey quote: ORIGINAL: peterK50 Please don't anyone get too hung up on the 9/11 Commission report. It is a political diccument not a gospel. Who was called, what questions were asked, what was include in the report was all done politically. Bush & Cheney were questioned in private & not under oath. Debating it is a waste of time. That can be said of any document link etc that anyone can post. But the commission was made up of 5 dems and 5 reps so it is probably the most unbiased thing out there. I would not trust a single sentence in that report even if that sentence was chained to the wall. Even more important are the sentences that are not in the report. Ever hear of a whitewash? This report is a whitewash.

philosophy -> RE: Oh what shlock (9/12/2006 9:10:34 AM)
"You have a lot to say for someone who does not reside in our country." given that the attack on the WTC killed more than just Americans, why do you think that only Americans can comment on it? i live in the UK.......i have lived near London in the past and way back in the day saw the aftermath of IRA bombs.........however, i have never tried to argue that i can learn nothing from people who don't live in the UK about terrorism, whether Islamic, Catholic, Protestent, Jewish or state sponsored. All perspectives are valid and sometimes the outsider sees best. If we forget that we run the risk of parochialism.

KenDckey -> RE: Oh what shlock (9/12/2006 9:13:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey quote: ORIGINAL: peterK50 Please don't anyone get too hung up on the 9/11 Commission report. It is a political diccument not a gospel. Who was called, what questions were asked, what was include in the report was all done politically. Bush & Cheney were questioned in private & not under oath. Debating it is a waste of time. That can be said of any document link etc that anyone can post. But the commission was made up of 5 dems and 5 reps so it is probably the most unbiased thing out there. I would not trust a single sentence in that report even if that sentence was chained to the wall. Even more important are the sentences that are not in the report. Ever hear of a whitewash? This report is a whitewash. Could be. After all it was presented by politicians LOL

CrappyDom -> RE: Oh what shlock (9/12/2006 11:41:52 AM)
Kendky, The reason politicians whitewash things is because the public doesn't want and can't deal with reality. I don't blame politicians, I blame a public to content to remain ignorant, too fearful of making hard choices, to concerned about themselves rather than the greater good. The 9/11 report is imperfect but it is the best thing we have and is certainly worth discussing.

KenDckey -> RE: Oh what shlock (9/12/2006 11:47:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CrappyDom Kendky, The reason politicians whitewash things is because the public doesn't want and can't deal with reality. I don't blame politicians, I blame a public to content to remain ignorant, too fearful of making hard choices, to concerned about themselves rather than the greater good. The 9/11 report is imperfect but it is the best thing we have and is certainly worth discussing. A perfect report would contain every document ever produced, transcripts of every word spoken, and every foot of film ever produced and not have any conclusions (because conclusiions are opinions). I agree it is the best we got and definately debatable

LadyJulieAnn -> RE: Oh what shlock (9/12/2006 6:30:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey quote: ORIGINAL: StrongButKind quote: ORIGINAL: LadyJulieAnn You have a lot to say for someone who does not reside in our country. You have dark hair for someone with ten fingers. I was sitting there counting her fingers and it looked to me that she might be misssing her pinky on hr right hand. but she does have a nice collection of toys Thanks. Yes, I have all ten fingers and dark hair.

LadyJulieAnn -> RE: Oh what shlock (9/12/2006 6:34:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: philosophy "You have a lot to say for someone who does not reside in our country." given that the attack on the WTC killed more than just Americans, why do you think that only Americans can comment on it? i live in the UK.......i have lived near London in the past and way back in the day saw the aftermath of IRA bombs.........however, i have never tried to argue that i can learn nothing from people who don't live in the UK about terrorism, whether Islamic, Catholic, Protestent, Jewish or state sponsored. All perspectives are valid and sometimes the outsider sees best. If we forget that we run the risk of parochialism. I certainly agree that anyone can comment on the situation. My comment was in reaction to what I perceived as his casual dismissal of the lives lost on 9/11.

LadyJulieAnn -> RE: Oh what shlock (9/12/2006 6:37:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CrappyDom Kendky, The reason politicians whitewash things is because the public doesn't want and can't deal with reality. I don't blame politicians, I blame a public to content to remain ignorant, too fearful of making hard choices, to concerned about themselves rather than the greater good. The 9/11 report is imperfect but it is the best thing we have and is certainly worth discussing. Can the public change? Is it possible? Just curious on your thoughts. Be well, Julie

KenDckey -> RE: Oh what shlock (9/12/2006 6:52:15 PM)
You asked Crappy but I am going to put my 2 cents in. I believe that the public can change. It requries lots of education and time and that is the problem to many want a quick fix and they are usually the most vocal with the least patience. Sad

LadyJulieAnn -> RE: Oh what shlock (9/12/2006 7:07:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey You asked Crappy but I am going to put my 2 cents in. I believe that the public can change. It requries lots of education and time and that is the problem to many want a quick fix and they are usually the most vocal with the least patience. Sad I agree and see this problem with many issues facing America. We are quick to put a bandaid on things instead of really getting to the source of the problems.

KenDckey -> RE: Oh what shlock (9/12/2006 9:57:23 PM)
Julie I think a lot of it has to do with personal accountability. We have moved away from that to social programs that take over for the individual and appear to strive to keep the individual in those social programs instead of returning them to society. I think this is why the Clintons went with their village theme because it made people come to the government for aid. Another thing I am in favor of is a flat tax. for sake of argument 3% is 3% whether it is on the poor or rich. no deductions, no exemptions. You make a dollar you send 3 cents to the govt to cover expenses. You make a million dollars on the lottery you send the gove $30,000. What I hear from way to many people is that we should penalize people because they have figured out how to make money in greater quantities than the rest of us. I live on a fixed income. my taxes would be something like $60 a month at that rate. but at least it would be my fair share. The taxes could then be divided out from a singular accounting source and divided amongst the governmental subdivisions from top to bottom according to some formula (I an not an economics expert). But this would apply only to general fund items. Enterprise funds (like your utilities - water, sewer, garbage, hazardous waste, etc) would be funded on a cost basis which is pretty much they operate now.

Emperor1956 -> RE: Oh what shlock (9/12/2006 10:03:08 PM)
quote: cravespleasure: In general, I wish that there was some kind of buzzer or electroshock therapy applied to an individual everytime they used an ad hominem argument. Amen, girl! I like you. And... (whispered to CrappyDom) Don't you know yet not to try to teach a pig to sing? It wastes your time, and annoys the pig. E

CrappyDom -> RE: Oh what shlock (9/12/2006 10:14:15 PM)
Oh Ken, you are truly salt of the earth so I hate to be the one who robs you of your innocence but here goes. Define income? It might truly surprise you how it is defined for income tax purposes. Many people can live lives of immense luxury, spending freely and buying anything they want and not have any income as defined by the IRS. I am not bashing the rich, simply pointing out that under the current system there are a great many people making a great deal of money, none of which counts as "income" although most of us couldn't fathom why not. Read "Perfectly Legal" by David Kay Johnson, it is a very dense read but still engaging and boy will it piss you off about Reagan and Bush, it pissed me off about Clinton.

KenDckey -> RE: Oh what shlock (9/12/2006 10:18:06 PM)
To me and my feelings about a flat tax is income is revenue generated from any source, with no deductions (some times called Gross Income). That means you can't deduct your kids, pets, boats, doctor bills etc.

michaelGA2 -> RE: Oh what shlock (9/12/2006 10:19:32 PM)
alright...i give up...what's a schlock?

KenDckey -> RE: Oh what shlock (9/12/2006 10:23:41 PM)
oh yeah corporations could deduct actual expenses (payroll, materials, capital expenses, etc) I am not in favor of deducting things like entertainment of clients, etc.

KenDckey -> RE: Oh what shlock (9/12/2006 10:29:18 PM)
political contributions, even thojugh they are a marketing strategy for both corporations and individuals should be disallowed as well. Course that would put a lot of lobbists out of business and I have some good friends that are but what can I say. I think they are even bigger scum than some of the politicians

Vendaval -> RE: Oh what shlock (9/14/2006 1:26:27 AM)
The US now has the "bread and circuses" form of government made popular during the Roman Empire. Keep the masses fed, housed, and entertained and they are less likely to stir up trouble or tolerate slave revolts.

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