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RE: Naughty Pope? - 9/17/2006 11:29:42 AM

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The problem the left has is that no one really trusts it because it is too dictatorial and people feel their freedom is more secure with the centre right even if that has to include some distasteful right wing elements.

You're falling into the trap of the media/establishment presentation of the left. You're right in that the left is not trusted. You're wrong on the reason why. It is because of a century of propaganda aimed at preserving Conservative Britain. Most people don't know what the left actually stands for and quite frankly don't care because the Government does their thinking for them. I've seen some of your other posts on the left being dictatorial and thought-controlling - the irony shouldn't be lost on you that our Government is in Iraq against the wishes of the majority - how have they managed to do this? Thought-controlling and dictatorial, perhaps? Those on the left tend to be thoughtful and reflective, trying to understand the root causes of a solution rather than react to every little thing with draconian measures - that alone should tell you those on the left want to see real solutions not just easy, lazy answers.

You're right in that people do feel more comfortable with the centre-right - because the media and establishment is centre-right and they have used and abused their position to completely demonise the left - you know, the same old tired lines that the left are "thought controlling" when they are the ones advocating humanitarianism, internationalism and equality (while the centre-right put their policies into action with the inequality of privatisation and imperialism).

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RE: Naughty Pope? - 9/17/2006 2:02:13 PM

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Body counts have always been a true measure of devoutness... in August alone there were over 1500 bodys discovered after daylight in Baghdad, all with obvious signs of torture, beheadings and bullets in the back of their heads... now "That's REAL religion"!

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RE: Naughty Pope? - 9/17/2006 2:11:51 PM

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The problem the left has is that no one really trusts it because it is too dictatorial and people feel their freedom is more secure with the centre right even if that has to include some distasteful right wing elements.

You're falling into the trap of the media/establishment presentation of the left. You're right in that the left is not trusted.

Personal experience is the reason I don't trust the left even though I share many of its ideals or used to. I haven't seen much in the way of values in the Labour party this last dozen years either.

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RE: Naughty Pope? - 9/17/2006 7:45:35 PM

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If you have "faith" and are the top person in that "faith" shouldn't it mean that you do not believe that other faiths are the right way to reaching "the higher being".
Therefore if your way is the only "right way" is it not the moral thing to do to 1) convert all to your way 2) condemn and critisise all other "ways"?

Seems the pope was just doing what is in the job description??................

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