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LotusSong -> RE: Do Mistresses like Cross-Dressers ? (9/23/2006 4:39:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DixonTSmiss

Ms. Lotus Song...

If the books to mentioned in your thread are in print regarding a cd's thoughts may i inquire as to where one might be purchased ?  I have a cd sub i would wish to purchase one for as they are struggling with some of there thoughts regarding there self--we  are trying to work through

Mistress Velvet--- a pre-op  Old Guard Ts Domme


They are presently on amazon.com.  I provided the links in my post. Thank you for asking :)




sissifytoserve -> RE: Do Mistresses like Cross-Dressers ? (9/23/2006 4:40:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: demistress


You all asked for a mistress's input, didn't like what she had to say, and then attacked her viewpoint. Notice the title of this forum is "Ask a Mistress". Not, get into a debate with a Mistress. I'm suprised these wonderful Ladies put up with this BS thread for so long.

Mistress Heather
www.mizzspice.net
Hell Hath No Fury.....



I'm suprised subs put up with YOU...quite frankly.

Don't tell me not to debate. Who do you think you are?





LotusSong -> RE: Do Mistresses like Cross-Dressers ? (9/23/2006 4:52:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sissifytoserve


I'm suprised subs put up with YOU...quite frankly.

Don't tell me not to debate. Who do you think you are?




When did I tell you NOT to debate?  Really ... you are trying WAY to hard to prove a point that isn't there.  I simply answered the OP.  Sorry it was not to your liking.  I hope the rest of your life goes exactly as you hope and everyone agrees with you. 
 
However, I do like your posts and links you off on the political side. - you have that going for you.




sissifytoserve -> RE: Do Mistresses like Cross-Dressers ? (9/23/2006 4:54:49 PM)

SEE above MY post.





sissifytoserve -> RE: Do Mistresses like Cross-Dressers ? (9/23/2006 4:58:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

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ORIGINAL: sissifytoserve


I'm suprised subs put up with YOU...quite frankly.

Don't tell me not to debate. Who do you think you are?




When did I tell you NOT to debate? Really ... you are trying WAY to hard to prove a point that isn't there. I simply answered the OP. Sorry it was not to your liking. I hope the rest of your life goes exactly as you hope and everyone agrees with you.

However, I do like your posts and links you off on the political side. - you have that going for you.




The comment was NOT directed at YOU,if you read the quote in brackets.

Trying too hard to prove a point that "Isn't there"??????.

Hardly.

Judging by all the replies to this thread in favor of it, I don't think you have a leg to stand on with that statement.




tasha_tart -> RE: Do Mistresses like Cross-Dressers ? (9/23/2006 7:43:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sophia37

I too have read thru every thread here waiting to hear the reaction to Lady Ellen's, "So, a question to the disgruntled CD males; if I were to seek you out, and say yes, I love you crossdressing, and yes I will take you as a sub/slave etc - what would you do?
I strongly suspect like every other heterosexual man I've encountered, you'd run a mile. E"

From the two replies you got, I think youve got it exactly right. I think Lady Ellen, youve got the best handle on it. I dont think there's any takers. I also think Lady Ellen, that I very much respect you and think your mind is a fine one. Your well reasoned replies have remained steady throughout.

Thank you. You are an inspiration. And a good role model. God bless you and keep you well. xoxox Sophia



I wrote the following in post 151:
 
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Well, I'm reasonably gruntled, so I may not be a representative specimen.

I'd probably be skeptical at first, as I would be of anyone approaching me in that manner.  After all, as the saying goes, "If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is."  
 
For me, at least, your not being a genetic female wouldn't be an issue.  What would be an issue would be you as a person, and how we meshed as potential partners, of whatever sort.

I strongly suspect like every other heterosexual man I've encountered, you'd run a mile.

Maybe...maybe not...but can I change out of my heels first? [:D]

E

Tasha
 

 
I don't know how you got the impression that I would want nothing to do with her, or that I'd be frightened off.
 
On the contrary, should I ever be fortunate enough to meet Lady Ellen, I would take the opportunity to get to know her better, whether or not her hypothetical offer was on the table.
 
Tasha




lunamor -> RE: Do Mistresses like Cross-Dressers ? (9/24/2006 1:35:08 AM)

It's Sunday morning here, I'm reviewing this thread and I have to thank the following for the cheerful wit, it makes the morning brighter:

Lady Ellen "Its never in my experience a case of "forced" feminisation, even if that is the fantasy of a particular scene. (force is often required to unfeminise them though LOL!)"

Tasha_Tart "reasonably gruntled" :-) (yeah, I know you posted it a while ago but I smiled both times around).

I'm glad you're both here on the Boards, it's always useful and fun to read your comments.

Lunamor




demistress -> RE: Do Mistresses like Cross-Dressers ? (9/24/2006 6:28:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sissifytoserve


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ORIGINAL: demistress


You all asked for a mistress's input, didn't like what she had to say, and then attacked her viewpoint. Notice the title of this forum is "Ask a Mistress". Not, get into a debate with a Mistress. I'm suprised these wonderful Ladies put up with this BS thread for so long.

Mistress Heather
www.mizzspice.net
Hell Hath No Fury.....



I'm suprised subs put up with YOU...quite frankly.

Don't tell me not to debate. Who do you think you are?




I think I am a Mistress, and since you are not a mistress or domme, I don't owe you respect here unless you earn it, and with your posts you never will.  And to be absultely clear I didn't tell you NOT to debate, just was trying to give you insight into WHY the tone turned the way it did.  But since you continue to WHINE and instead of even debating her points, you just bitch and moan that she's making them.  It is clear you really never wanted or cared about "Asking a Mistress" anything, you came here with the desire to prove YOUR philosophy and expect us to change our viewpoints, not to ask questions, and listen to answers.  Well that's not what this particular forums is about, and it's purpose IS in the title.




sissycrystal -> RE: Do Mistresses like Cross-Dressers ? (9/24/2006 7:23:14 AM)

i have never seen as much vitriol and spite as in some of these posts.  i am quite frankly embarrased that other CD's would behave in such a manner.  It perpetuates a stereotype and prejudices towards the rest of us unfortunately.   "Shut your pie hole???"  i mean come on!!!   This is ridiculous.

For the Ladies in this forum, i apologize that a few have hijacked this thread and turned it into some melee. 

i DO want to comment on one message.  That some Dommes find it offensive how men view women through their portrayal in dressing.  There are ALL kinds of CDs...and all tastes when it comes to fashion.  i'd venture to say that You'd also be offended by how some WOMEN dress and in the manner they represent themselves.   Granted some CDs dress shall we say "slutty"... but i fully believe thats often not a representation on how they VIEW women as much is it is a strong fetish towards the overtly sexy clothing (stilettos, leather skirts, garters, etc.)    If asked, most CDs would tell you that they have a strong respect for women.  Even aside from any bdsm references.

Again, i hate to see something like these threads become a vehicle for finger-pointing and name calling.  For You Ladies that do enjoy CDs, thank You so much for allowing us to express ourselves in Your presence. 

sissycrystal




sissifytoserve -> RE: Do Mistresses like Cross-Dressers ? (9/24/2006 8:27:49 AM)

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DeMistress:"Notice the title of this forum is "Ask a Mistress". Not, get into a debate with a Mistress. I'm suprised these wonderful Ladies put up with this BS thread for so long."


You DID tell me "not to debate".

Stalin didn't allow any debate in the Soviet Union either.

Is THAT what you want here?

See, I don't call it "Whining"....I call it sticking up for my core demographic against hatemongering prejudice.




ShiftedJewel -> RE: Do Mistresses like Cross-Dressers ? (9/24/2006 11:12:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sissycrystal

i have never seen as much vitriol and spite as in some of these posts.  i am quite frankly embarrased that other CD's would behave in such a manner.  It perpetuates a stereotype and prejudices towards the rest of us unfortunately.   "Shut your pie hole???"  i mean come on!!!   This is ridiculous.

For the Ladies in this forum, i apologize that a few have hijacked this thread and turned it into some melee. 

i DO want to comment on one message.  That some Dommes find it offensive how men view women through their portrayal in dressing.  There are ALL kinds of CDs...and all tastes when it comes to fashion.  i'd venture to say that You'd also be offended by how some WOMEN dress and in the manner they represent themselves.   Granted some CDs dress shall we say "slutty"... but i fully believe thats often not a representation on how they VIEW women as much is it is a strong fetish towards the overtly sexy clothing (stilettos, leather skirts, garters, etc.)    If asked, most CDs would tell you that they have a strong respect for women.  Even aside from any bdsm references.

Again, i hate to see something like these threads become a vehicle for finger-pointing and name calling.  For You Ladies that do enjoy CDs, thank You so much for allowing us to express ourselves in Your presence. 

sissycrystal


Most cross-dressers that I have known that do it on a regular basis normally dress just as casually as I do. I know of some that dress up snazzy (ok, showing my age here) for a big night out or for fun at home. Never have I met one that dresses in a way specifically to mimic women in a bad light. In fact, there were a few I would have loved to get some makeup hints from.
 
And I agree with you sissycrystal... I'm sure that a lot of women look at the way I dress and turn up their noses... but I'm all biker and dress for the part... besides, I have damn nice cleavage and don't mind showing it off.
 
Jewel




MstrssPassion -> RE: Do Mistresses like Cross-Dressers ? (9/24/2006 11:18:02 AM)

Hey now... let's play nice!

For the sake of staying on topic:

1)
Some dominant women actually like cd's... Some don't.
Rather than the opposing sides beating the shit out of each other... why not simply state your reasons why you do or do not..... the debate has already proved that some do & some don't. It would be nice to see why each of us have come to the conclusion of our acceptance or rejection.

2) Some CD's are diva's... they really need that factor of attention either for extended periods or for brief periods & some thrive in their femme state only if it pleases the one they serve.
I'd rather hear about the examples of these triggers. How those of us focus this energy in our interactions or how we have been able to guide an overwhelming energy to be more manageable.

We already get it that a lot of the ladies on here don't care to share the spotlight. This isn't your thing so why get into a mud-slinging contest about it...

3) Oh... this recent post about respect & who is deserving of it... well this may be a ask a Mistress board but this doesn't mean the non-mistress types are not deserving of respect. I offer respect of everyone I encounter. Keep in mind if you offer respect you will most likely get respect back. A person role never immediately dictates respect.

From the Forum Guidelines: Your choice to participate on this forum is an acceptance of its guidelines and the authority of its administration.

The primary intention of this board is to provide a forum for discussion and the exchange of ideas. Considering the natural diversity of opinion and expression, it is expected that disagreements will often occur. While debate is fine, postings of the sort generally known as "flames" is not. Participants are not expected to coddle one another, but they are expected to keep things within the realm of maturity.

This isn't a place to insult the kinks, preferences, lifestyles, etc. of others. If you don't like what another person enjoys, rest assured that there are plenty of others out there that probably don't like your activities either. Furthermore, harassment and personal attacks will not be tolerated.

 
No where does it state that dominants are immediately awarded respect from non-dominant posters.




sissifytoserve -> RE: Do Mistresses like Cross-Dressers ? (9/24/2006 11:27:55 AM)

Thank you MstrssPassion.

You have 100% of my respect and admiration.




demistress -> RE: Do Mistresses like Cross-Dressers ? (9/24/2006 12:00:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sissifytoserve

quote:

DeMistress:"Notice the title of this forum is "Ask a Mistress". Not, get into a debate with a Mistress. I'm suprised these wonderful Ladies put up with this BS thread for so long."


You DID tell me "not to debate".

Stalin didn't allow any debate in the Soviet Union either.

Is THAT what you want here?

See, I don't call it "Whining"....I call it sticking up for my core demographic against hatemongering prejudice.

FIRST:
Actually as you clearly quote, I pointed out what the title of the forum is, and what the title isn't.  I did not tell you not to debate. In context it was meant as an observation on why the conversation continued the way it did.  Me telling you not to debate would have been more like "Do not debate this further, as you have not had anything productive to say in at least 10 pages"  ,  I personally found your attitude, and commennts towards lotus AND so many others in this thread irritating, rude and exceptionally over blown. And while I pointd out WHY you were being received and treated the way you were, I never told you to do anything.  You are right that mistresses do and will continue to discriminate against you, not because you're a CD, but because of your attitudes.

For the record, I'm NOT a CD hatemonger.  I've had a great number of sucessful scenes with CDs/TVs/TGs/etc. even though it's NOT my thing.

YOU are the first I've come accross that ever rubbed me the wrong way, by continuing to act the way you are here, and following lotus around to every other thread she's on and being an agitator there, you are only making a bad representation for this group you are so staunchly claiming to be defending. 




sissifytoserve -> RE: Do Mistresses like Cross-Dressers ? (9/24/2006 12:05:09 PM)

Hah....I didn't follow her around. She just HAPPENED to be on a thread that I posted on. Fortunately the mods moved the entire thread..as it was just a thread to bash submissives in general.

But your attitude is okay right?



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ORIGINAL: demistress



No mistresses should block annoying little pricks (pun intended) she should argue endelessly with him/her/it (not sure how you identify)




Sticks and stones.


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Sissfy it IS dominant to eliminate negative influences in one's life, elimination is a form of control.


But its not being negative by stereotyping certain subs...right? Uh huh.

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Unfortunately, even if she blocks you, you're still here picking fights and acting like a 5 year old throwing a temper tantrum.


Im not here picking fights.People tend to not like to hear another viewpoint apparently without jumping all over me.

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It's no wonder you're not finding any woman to serve.


How do YOU know that? I could very well be contemplating a submissive opportunity put before me.


I think you are just looking for justification of your abusive attitude....personally. aka.....(little pricks) et al.




ModeratorEleven -> RE: Do Mistresses like Cross-Dressers ? (9/24/2006 12:06:25 PM)

Settle down, people.

XI




EbonyFtshGoddess -> RE: Do Mistresses like Cross-Dressers ? (9/24/2006 1:43:32 PM)

i'm fast replying.

ouch, this thread like burned my fucking eyes just reading it. yet, like a train wreck or bad farming accident, it's sorta hard to not keep reading.

i won't say anything pretty much not already expressed by the female dominants here, but i may add a few things here or there.

if someone says *most* XYZ about a group or whatever, obviously that's a generalizing statement based upon personal experiences. that's life. we all generalize. he or she or s/he, not guilty of generalizing can cast the first stone. we all do it.

but sometimes generalizations that stem from our personal experiences are just our observations. once again, that's life.

some dommes like sissies (i personally know of another ebony lifestyle domme in NYC that nearly EXCLUSIVELY takes sissies). honestly, i used to think she was fuckin nuts for only wanting sissies from my experience and drama that i had dealt with training them (notice how i'm saying MY experience.)

with that being said i currently have 3 CD/TV,  i also have had a few in the past 10 years and i've recently acquired a new TV that's working towards total transformation. i typically use CDing as a form of humiliation on my male slaves as a form of punishment because they truly hate being crossed dressed. it's a wonderful tool for those that feel humiliated by it.

every now and then i will take a totally passable TV and own them. it's very rare they behave TOTALLY unlike the CD/TVs i've experienced in the past.

some dommes like them some don't. oh well. i personally prefer more masculine slaves and seeing how i'm not attracted to dominating or training genetic females i see little enjoyment from training a cross dressed male.

this part is direct towards sissifytoserve: (i know i'm opening myself up for a flame, yet this is as constructive as i can get)

i'm not coming down on you nor ragging on you, that has been done enough already (although admittedly, you really did bring a lot of it upon yourself with the manner at which you approached the situation). it's ok for people to make generalizations, instead of living up to the expectations that many women have about CDs you could have easily dispelled them or brought a civil discourse into it. there has obviously been some things in your past where you felt you were being abused or fell to predatory dommes and honestly, in my sincerest earnest opinion, i feel you sorta *dumped* it all on the women here. you took one word like *most* and translated it wholly as if it's the view of every domme here applying to every CD in the world. it really came off as way bitter and i feel if you wanted your side of the coin to be better accepted, you could have gone about expressing yourself in a much more civil and less antagonistic manner.

especially when in the beginning no one was attacking you personally. perhaps a domme that you totally vibe with will be the key to correcting that, but you sorta went off the deep end in terms of your aggression dear. not being judgemental, merely stating my observation.

i like masochists, i like edge players, i accept some sissies, i like rubberists..... i mean the list goes on and on. if someone ONLY wants one type of sub or another, it's really not productive to internalize everything some of the women said as being wholly directed towards CDs as a whole or worse yet, directed specifically towards you.

let's face it. some dommes DON'T want any dealings with CDs.. and that's their god given choice. just like some dommes don't want masochists or edge players for whatever reasons.  we all have our reasons why. i personally prefer fetishists and i know Many dommes find fetishists to be sooooooo selfish and not so submissive (which is entirely true for the most part, however i am a huge fetishist myself so it works for me and mine).. but i wouldn't take offense to a domme that said all fetishist subs are this or that.. i would know she's talking about HER experiences.

i suggest you do the same.

you have to realize that some battles aren't worth waging, especially when the battle was pretty much nonexistent to begin with.

people are entitled to their opinions. if i run across a submissive that is not what i seek, i just move on. i don't rant or take things from message board to message board asserting my cause or attempting to stand up for the rights of all dommes of my ilk.

i will tell you my negative impressions of a fair deal of the CDs i've encountered. once again, what I"VE encountered.

-selfish, catty, egocentric, can't clean a house for SHIT, but they wanna prance around with the perfect maid uniform and a feather duster like that's really gonna do some shit around my house. they're very high to maintain, obssessed with cock/cock worship even to the point of wanting me to pimp them out.

then on the POSITIVE side i have run across CDs whom are:

-demure, respectful, courteous, respectful, feminine, good at house keeping, cultured, willing to be trained (not just get their rocks off by CD'ing and see their ability to CD as a reward as we will go shopping in public together while she's dressed etc).. they're endearing, we can swap heels & rubber so that totally cuts down on our fetish wardrobe expenses, i can practice make up on them for photo shoots or whatever. i view them as living dolls. and i truly enjoy the ones under my control. if i painted every CD/TV that approached me with the same brush, i wouldn't have a single one because the bad have definitely outweighed the good.

every type of submissive has good and bad qualities. but you can't say everyone is a fem supremacist or ignorant or rude just because she may not want that interraction with a certain type of submissive based on their own preferences or own experiences. what is life if we don't learn from our experiences or live by our preferences?

i would seriously suggest you step away from the forum for a bit and truly think about what it is you're trying to express, or prove, or what is the driving for behind your anger.

if, however, you want to jump and attack me, like i've seen you do several other innocuous posts.. then i suggest you approach me in private emai (or even if you want to discuss your feelings in generall, because quibbling with a submissive is a bit beneath me and obviously you have some unworked upon things in your past dealings with mistresses or a mistress that has caused you to respond thusly.


adieu





MstrssPassion -> RE: Do Mistresses like Cross-Dressers ? (9/24/2006 2:10:44 PM)

Thank YOU!!!

This is exactly what I am talking about... for each of us to talk about what it is to us. What this particular interaction translates to in our life.





EbonyFtshGoddess -> RE: Do Mistresses like Cross-Dressers ? (9/24/2006 2:35:45 PM)

honestly.. i think it's what everything is all about.

i am not sure you're replying to me specifically.. however.. that's all it boils down to.

our experiences..

and our preferences.






demistress -> RE: Do Mistresses like Cross-Dressers ? (9/24/2006 2:40:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: EbonyFtshGoddess

i'm fast replying.

ouch, this thread like burned my fucking eyes just reading it. yet, like a train wreck or bad farming accident, it's sorta hard to not keep reading.

....

i would seriously suggest you step away from the forum for a bit and truly think about what it is you're trying to express, or prove, or what is the driving for behind your anger.

if, however, you want to jump and attack me, like i've seen you do several other innocuous posts.. then i suggest you approach me in private emai (or even if you want to discuss your feelings in generall, because quibbling with a submissive is a bit beneath me and obviously you have some unworked upon things in your past dealings with mistresses or a mistress that has caused you to respond thusly.

adieu


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