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RE: Watered down BDSM - 9/19/2006 5:23:48 PM   
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Dear ScooterTrash, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
In my mind's eye--often times we straddle labels or definitions that define our individual style and or practices in BDSM, S&M, D/s and or M/s.  I often make such issues, as creating a recipe by putting in the ingredients, e.g., D/s, bondage, S&M and such, which creates what we do unique to us.  We experiment, we taste test it, we refine it and tinker with it to make it suit us--however, much like an entre` there are thousands of different entre` dishes out there.
 
And, indeed it is difficult  to exactly define our individuality outside of the 'class' or labels we are so familiar with and or identify with.  It would be easier to have the recipe as to what makes us an individual and yet be in a defined 'class' or 'standard,' much like percentages.
 
Those who cannot 'fit' into what we're familiar with by standards of BDSM, D/s, bondage, M/s and or S&M are indeed a fish out of the water, as some individuals do not identify with any morsel of BDSM, D/s, M/s, S&M, bondage.  And, perhaps this is due in part, due to that BDSM, D/s, M/s, bondage and S&M is not defining a fetish or a gender preference and or reassignment and or class and most of all --sex.
 
When it goes into 'sex'--we have pan-sexual, etc.  Yet, that does not include elements of BDSM, S&M, D/s, M/s and or bondage; nor do clothes, with the exception of some uniforms and or dressing protocols, e.g. wearing leather, black, etc., that roots into Gay Leather, Biker and military groups within that community, some fetish attire is more bent to 'sex' and 'display' rather than anything else yet, some do straddle into BDSM, S&M, D/s, M/s and or bondage. 
 
It may be that history provides a pattern, to which in one era, it is not tolerated and just like BDSM split with swinging and or kinky sex, it is swinging back into a merged period. 
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
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RE: Watered down BDSM - 9/19/2006 7:23:39 PM   
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By welcoming them with open arms, are we really creating a fish out of water?
If we truly welcomed ALL alt choices with open arms, then we'd all be fish in the water.

The problem is that we really DON'T welcome ALL alt choices.  In fact, bdsm groups tend to be downright harsh as far as what kinks are ok and what are not, what "perversions" are nifty and what's just wrong.  I think it's because of THIS that we really force people to try and fit into boxes that don't belong.

Sub cultures choosing what they want to be part of their cultures is normal and I don't expect bdsmer groups to suddenly form a brotherhood with leather families or become bff's with swingers.  But I do wish bdsmers would also stop trying to suggest that they really welcome and are open to all alt lifestyles- very few actually are.

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RE: Watered down BDSM - 9/19/2006 8:00:45 PM   
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For one reason or another Mary doesn't, and Bob punishes her by so, and so...

Hmm, sounds like Mary is being dominated by Bob... in each example.



I belong to the school of thought that punishment should be unpleasant.

From what I have been told beatings and butt-rapings are pleasureable.

Guess how I dont plan to punish somebody ;)

Just me, could be wrong, but there you go.

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RE: Watered down BDSM - 9/19/2006 10:18:24 PM   
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Let me see, dominating for sex, and sadism and masochism are NOT fetishes? Exactly what "water" do you speak of ?

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RE: Watered down BDSM - 9/20/2006 3:34:00 AM   
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Let me see, dominating for sex, and sadism and masochism are NOT fetishes? Exactly what "water" do you speak of ?


I don't see where anyone said that domination and submission or sadism and masochism WASN'T a fetish. And dominating FOR sex may be it's own little fetish as well. The "water" he is referring to... well, let's try and make this simple. A sadist and masochist couple plan on going to a play party with several other couples that also practice S & M... so far so good. Also at the party one person who's only fetish is latex. That is unfamiliar "water" at the very best for the latex fetishist just as a masochist or sadist is not going to be comfortable at a play party where everyone is into cross-dressing only.
 
I understand that there is a lot of cross-over in the fetish world but to take someone that isn't into flogging or whips in any way, shape or form and plop them down in the middle of a conversation revolving around the techniques, different types, different uses and different sensations of whips and floggers is unfair to everyone involved. If for no other reason then because the people that wish to discuss whips and floggers are hindered because they have to first explain the why's, how's and reasoning behind the use of such equipment to the newcomer and the newcomer that really can't see any reason for the use of those things is just wasting their time trying to convince the rest of how rediculous their "kink" is.
 
As LaTigresse said, that could be a large part of why there are so many heated disagreements on the message boards. To many different fetishes trying to blend into one sub-catagory.

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Well I'm thinking off the top of my head here and my first thoughts are that using the word alternative would mean that there is a choice in how I/we conduct My/our relationship.


And yes, there is always a choice.... you could choose to supress those wants, needs and desires and be miserable like the rest of the 'nilla world.
 
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RE: Watered down BDSM - 9/20/2006 4:42:04 AM   
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 does that mean that we have become the catch-all for everyone who drifts out of the center lane. No offense to anyone who fits the following categories and I do realize there is some crossover occasionally (gezz, we're poly but into BDSM activities), but where does cross-dressing, furries, infantilism, age play, etc, etc. come into the whole BDSM "big picture". Anyone can have fetishes, but that does that mean they are automatically in the BDSM lifestyle by default?  


Well how many thousands of categories would you like? Or should I make that millions or billions (7 billion strong lol). And should I define for you where the line exists?

We wouldn't want too many of them other icky people hanging out here. Yuck.

Pluto just got demoted from being a planet btw and that only took 90 years in the scientific community.

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RE: Watered down BDSM - 9/20/2006 5:15:45 AM   
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Well how many thousands of categories would you like? Or should I make that millions or billions (7 billion strong lol).


In reply to this and a few other inquiries here is a list of perversions that may be incorperated into each individuals preferences but ARE NOT bdsm in or of themselves.
 
 
AUTOEROTIC ASPHYXIA - sexual gratification derived from an activity in which the individual masturbates while depriving him or herself of oxygen through hanging, strangulation, or other means; this activity is incredibly dangerous and causes many inadvertent deaths each year.
 BISEXUALITY - the capacity to feel erotic attraction toward, or to engage in sexual interaction with, both males and females.
 EXHIBITIONISM - the act of exposing one’s genitals to an unwilling observer to obtain sexual gratification.
 FROTTEURISM - approaching an unknown woman from the rear and pressing or rubbing the penis against her buttocks.
HOMOSEXUALITY - people who form sexual relationships primarily or exclusively with members of their own gender.
 GERONTOSEXUALITY - distinct preference for sexual relationships primarily or exclusively with an elderly partner.
 INCEST - sex with a sibling or parent.
 LESBIANISM - female to female homosexuality.
 LEWDNESS - sexually unchaste; inciting to lust or debauchery.
 MASTURBATION - erotic stimulation of one’s own genitals.
 PARTIALISM - A fetish in which a person is sexually attracted to a specific body part exclusive of the person.
 PROSTITUTION - the act or practice of offering sexual stimulation or intercourse for money.
 TELEPHONE SCATALOGIA - sexual arousal associated with making or receiving obscene phone calls.
 TOUCHERISM - characterized by a strong desire to touch the breast or genitals of an unknown woman without her consent; often occurs in conjunction with other paraphilia.
 TRANSSEXUALITY - gender identity that is contrary to a person’s anatomical gender.
 TRANSVESTISM -the practice of dressing in the clothes of the opposite sex as a form of sexual inversion.
 VOYEURISM - obtaining sexual arousal by observing people without their consent when they are undressed or engaged in sexual activity.
 ZOOPHILIA/BESTIALITY - engaging in sexual activity with unmentionable other life forms
Abasiophilia: love of (or sexual attraction to) people who use leg braces or other orthopaedic appliances
Acrotomophilia: love of (or sexual attraction to) amputees
Agalmatophilia: sexual attraction to statues or mannequins or immobility
Algolagnia: sexual pleasure from pain
Amaurophilia: sexual arousal by a partner whom one is unable to see due to artificial means, such as being blindfolded or having sex in total darkness. (See: sensory deprivation)
Andromimetophilia: love of women dressed as men
Apodysophilia: desire to undress, see also nudism
Apotemnophilia: desire to have (or sexual arousal from having) a healthy appendage (limb, digit, or male genitals) amputated
Aquaphilia: arousal from water and/or in watery environments, including swimming pools
Aretifism: sexual attraction to people who are without footwear, in contrast to retifism
Autogynephilia: love of oneself as a woman (also see Blanchard, Bailey, and Lawrence theory for discussion on controversy)
Biastophilia: sexual pleasure from committing rape
Celebriphillia: pathological desire to have sex with a celebrity.
Coprophilia: sexual attraction to (or pleasure from) feces
Crush fetish: sexual arousal from seeing small creatures being crushed by members of the opposite sex, or being crushed oneself
Dacryphilia: sexual pleasure in eliciting tears from others or oneself
Diaper fetishism: sexual arousal from diapers
Emetophilia (a.k.a. vomerophilia): sexual attraction to vomit
Ephebophilia (a.k.a. hebephilia): sexual attraction towards adolescents
Eproctophilia: sexual attraction to flatulence
Faunoiphilia: sexual arousal from watching animals mate
Fetishism: is the use of non-sexual or nonliving objects or part of a person's body to gain sexual excitement. Examples include:
Balloon fetishism -- breast fetishism -- foot fetishism (podophilia) -- fur fetishism -- leather fetishism -- lipstick fetishism -- medical fetishism -- panty fetishism -- robot fetishism -- rubber fetishism -- shoe fetishism -- smoking fetishism -- spandex fetishism -- transvestic fetishism (see below)
Frotteurism: sexual arousal from the recurrent urge or behavior of touching or rubbing against a nonconsenting person
Galactophilia: sexual attraction to human milk or lactating women
Gerontophilia: sexual attraction towards the elderly
Haematophilia: sexual attraction involving blood (either on a sex partner/attractive person or the liquid itself; not to be confused with haemophilia, a genetic disorder of the blood)
Harpaxophilia: sexual arousal from being the victim of a robbery or burglary
Hematolagnia: sexual attraction to blood
Hybristophilia: sexual arousal to people who have committed crimes, in particular cruel or outrageous crimes
Infantilism: sexual pleasure from dressing, acting, or being treated as a baby
Klismaphilia: sexual pleasure from enemas
Lust murder: sexual arousal through committing murder
Macrophilia: sexual attraction to larger people and large things (including larger body organs such as breasts and genitalia)
Maiesiophilia: sexual attraction to childbirth or pregnant women
Microphilia: sexual attraction to smaller people and things of smaller size
Mysophilia: sexual attraction to soiled, dirty, foul or decaying material
Necrophilia: sexual attraction to corpses
Necrozoophilia: sexual attraction to the corpses or killings of animals (also known as necrobestiality)
Pictophilia: sexual attraction to pictorial pornography/erotic art
Plushophilia: sexual attraction to stuffed toys or people in animal costume, such as theme park characters
Pyrophilia: sexual arousal through watching, setting, hearing/talking/fantasizing about fire
Retifism: sexual arousal from shoes
Schediaphilia (aka Toonophilia): love (or sexual arousal) to cartoon characters/situations
Sitophilia: sexual arousal from food
Somnophilia: sexual arousal from sleeping or unconscious people
Spectrophilia: sexual attraction to ghosts
Telephone scatologia: being sexually aroused by making obscene telephone calls
Teratophilia: sexual attraction to deformed or monstrous people
Transformation fetish: sexual arousal from depictions of transformations of people into objects or other beings
Transvestic fetishism: is a sexual attraction towards the clothing of the opposite gender (also known as transvestitism)
Trichophilia: love (or sexual arousal) from hair
Urolagnia: sexual attraction to urine
Vorarephilia: sexual attraction to being eaten by, and/or eating, another person or creature
Xenophilia: sexual attraction to foreigners (in science fiction, can also mean sexual attraction to aliens)
 

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RE: Watered down BDSM - 9/20/2006 6:46:47 AM   
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BDSM is not even analogous with power exchange is it? I believe sadomasochism can exist without power exchanged at all. Or perhaps I am mistaken.


BDSM = BD + D/s + SM [1] ie it's an overlapping umbrella term for any or all of those.

So yes, you can do SM without D/s or bondage, but they're all still forms of BDSM.

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[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BDSM


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RE: Watered down BDSM - 9/20/2006 8:01:43 AM   
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BDSM = BD + D/s + SM [1] ie it's an overlapping umbrella term for any or all of those.

Actually many people do NOT put Ds within "bdsm"  For many, bdsm means "bondage, discipline, sadism, masochism" and ONLY those four things.

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RE: Watered down BDSM - 9/20/2006 8:06:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tanos
BDSM = BD + D/s + SM [1] ie it's an overlapping umbrella term for any or all of those.

Actually many people do NOT put Ds within "bdsm"  For many, bdsm means "bondage, discipline, sadism, masochism" and ONLY those four things.


Not to quibble, but perhaps we need to break out our dog-eared copy of 'Consentual Sadomasochism'.   In it you will find BD DS and SM as above.

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RE: Watered down BDSM - 9/20/2006 8:12:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tanos
BDSM = BD + D/s + SM [1] ie it's an overlapping umbrella term for any or all of those.

Actually many people do NOT put Ds within "bdsm" For many, bdsm means "bondage, discipline, sadism, masochism" and ONLY those four things.


Many people see "BDSM" for the first time and assume it just stands for "BD + SM",
just as many people think "a dom" is short for "a dominate" and that "domme" sounds
as if it has an acute accent on the "e".

But can you find a reputable source that says BDSM = BD + SM ?

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RE: Watered down BDSM - 9/20/2006 8:23:16 AM   
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Thought about this some more, and I guess I see the OP as an organizational question, which perhaps might have been a misinterpretation on my part: i.e., there is a BDSM community, which other kinks don't neccessarily have, with the possible exceptions of lesbian/homosexual community with some overlap, but why we gotta get lumped in with those freaks?

The rest are more or less closet kinks, and don't really fit, technically, under either umbrella, BDSM or gender bending. Many of them do seem to 'fit' better somehow under the BDSM umbrella, even when they're more concerned with gender bending, mostly due to surface similarities - you may not make the distinction between wearing leathers and wearing a dress, but they're both a sort of cosplay in the broadest sense. Otherwise, of course, they don't have much in common, they're both ways of exploring gender identity, but in distinctly divergent ways: one to reinforce, the other to blur the line.

Still, I think BDSM functions well as an umbrella community, and I'll tell you why: there is an explicit code of ethics and conduct, safe, sane, consensual, and established modes of behavior, sort of informal rules reflecting the code when it comes to socializing and playing: negotiation of limits, safe words, and recognition and mediation of bottom drop to deal with the gel factor, psychological imbalance, etc. - all very reasonable and sensible rules which I, for one, feel obligated to observe and uphold - these things really make the difference between play - however extreme or freaky it might get - and what might well be termed criminal abuse - and often is, outside this ethical code. It may be a fine line, but it is a clear one.

The gender bending community really has no such explicit code, they have informal codes, to be sure, but for all that they're organized, have their own magazines, etc., it's a pretty anarchic community.

Not so with BDSM, the code evolved from stressors, legal challenges, and specifically, heading them off - a disassociation with some of the less defensible practices, pedophillia, outright kidnapping and rape, etc., which even if they weren't practiced, the practice of BDSM itself seemed to imply permissions for.

Consensual is not just a good idea, it's a point of law: if one ignores the safe word, at which point consent is withdrawn, technically, the act becomes assault, and probobly battery or rape - and is prosecutable under law.

Thus, the community begins evolving into the institution - if you've been following along, then you might guess that this is where I start to get suspicious: institutions tend to, over time, forget their raison d'être - why they were formed - and merely become obsessed with perpetuating themselves as vehicles for personal ambition.

Can't really say I see that happening in any big way, but I'm a suspicious bastard and I notice the occasional little swirls and eddies, and feel obligated to seek clarification. The community is anarchic enough, I believe, to resist institutionalization, but somebody is always trying, the noble sons of Gor, etc.

Having an ethical code is a glorious and noble thing, one of mankinds great achievements: this one is simple, easy to remember and apply, and covers virtually all the bases without creating undue restraint, and in the great and ancient tradition of justice and rule of law, it reminds everybody that they still put their pants on one leg at a time - it's real, made for real people, not just some grand, Byzantine dominance or revenge fantasy.

And so, that is what I try to keep in mind, and what I think of when I think of BDSM as a community - I like it as a community, I love it - I'm not sure I'd like it at all as an institution, and I believe that as a community, sharing this ethical code among other closet kinks is the right thing to do, doesn't cost anything, it serves us all by easing certian legal ambiguities, and it doesn't mean you have to consider them the same thing.

So, bitch away if you want, it's your privilage, but try to remember that in many ways, on some level, we're all in this together - that's my take.

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RE: Watered down BDSM - 9/20/2006 8:39:12 AM   
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But can you find a reputable source that says BDSM = BD + SM ?

Regards,

Tanos

Me and tons o' others who use it that way :)

It's not a universal application either way.  Some people see bdsm to be bd/ds/sm and some just see b/d/s/m. 

Some people use the word "domme" even though it's not a "real word" and certainly most people say it completely inappropriately.  It's just like all slang, enough people take it on and it becomes real.

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RE: Watered down BDSM - 9/20/2006 10:40:04 AM   
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Fast reply,

I like Scooters analogy of a Plumber at an Electrician Convention. So I will borrow from that. I was thinking about this more, and reading all the different views, and for some reason, maybe because Jewel and Scooter look like someone I've seen at Bike Week in Daytona, but Motorcycles come to my mind when trying to fit all this under BDSM, which I define more as BD/ DS/ SM.

At Bike week or any Bike Rally, you have all these Motorcycle enthusiasts, and its all really high energy, fun and the participants all have a common denominator. Each attending, has a passion for motorcylces.  But yet, there are different kind of riders who own different type of bikes.. One side is the sport bikers, they tend to be a younger age, high edge crowd who like to compare RPM's and pop wheelies, on the other side you have a touring crowd, and yet another side will be the custom bikes that are so polished and so beautiful that I'd personally be afraid to take one out on a open road of pot holes.  Then there are Harley riders. IMO, these are the most passionate riders. They stick together, and stand for the symbol of HD, and most are veteran bikers, and these guys are so passionate about their bikes, they treat their own like a member of the family. Anyone riding a Harley would know why this is. But my point is,  they all come from all walks of life, they can be completely different about what their ride of choice is, from Honda, to BMW to Ducati to Harley, they all get together and join in a community of others who all love to ride.

Maybe in a way that is what BDSM really is, a diverse group of folks who have a passion for WIITWD? I don't know, its just my thoughts. But I've questioned all this for so long, wondering if I was normal for liking to whip and be whipped, for loving bondage and binding, and wondering if it was ok to be a part of it, because to the outside vanilla world, it wasn't perceived as normal. I'm at a point in my life, where I don't question this anymore. It is who I am and what I do, and I'm not hurting anyone else by doing it.

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RE: Watered down BDSM - 9/20/2006 10:54:33 AM   
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Me and tons o' others who use it that way :)

It's not a universal application either way.  Some people see bdsm to be bd/ds/sm and some just see b/d/s/m. 

Some people use the word "domme" even though it's not a "real word" and certainly most people say it completely inappropriately.  It's just like all slang, enough people take it on and it becomes real.


I think that was my point, not everyone that practices BDSM is involved with a power exchange, but so many of us are that boards like this one (and on alt) tend to center around the power exchange aspect of BDSM. In ShiftedJewels response above she pointed out how a latex fetishist maybe out of place with BDSM practitioners talking about floggers and whatnot. But some of those people probably like latex too, same goes for a bondage fetishist that has no interest in floggers of power exchange, they are going to be bored by discussion of D/s or M/s.

We can be bored by each other or we can learn from each other. We can include each other, or we can exclude each other. I tend to think that there is so much overlap that is pays to be inclusive, hence fetish balls which are often thrown at BDSM dungeons. More people to play with means more opportunities for people to hook up and get their needs met..,.. but that is just my opinion.

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RE: Watered down BDSM - 9/20/2006 10:57:01 AM   
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In my opinion some like it strong and others like it mild. I think all the avenues of play you mention have to do with an exchange of control and energy between people. Most BDSM activities that are not impact, sexual, or pain oriented get caught into the net as the energy exchange for them is as intense as it is for a pain pig to be beaten, or a girl to submit to her man.

Indeed there are people in the life that seem watered down. I think you should consider we all are at different fetishes, motivations, self awareness and comfortability levels. Someone else's freak may indeed be watered down to you. That does not mean for them it's any less intense.

Live and let live. If you don't want to be watered down no one is saying you can't drink the lifestyle down straight. I just don't think you have to be so rock gt to be a valid part of the community.
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RE: Watered down BDSM - 9/20/2006 11:11:10 AM   
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Interestingly enough -
 
I do not mind that the "alternative lifestyles" are involved/becoming involved/have always been involved - I am more piqued at the influence the idiocy on line has in who we are and what we do.
 
The entire reversal of dominance and submission over the last decades (From "I say, you do" to "A dominant cherishes his submissive and protects <read: coddles"> her") is what turns my stomach.
 
Where it impacts the actual dynamic is where it is irritating to me.
 
~J

What turns my stomach is all the guys who pull their Dom/Master?lord title out of cracker jacks boxes that have no clue what a submissive giving herself to him means that pervert the beauty of the power exchange to their own selfish purposes. We should not have to remind someone we are indeed human beings.

If the Doms realized we are more than meat to be used and abused without any concern for our physical or mental well being we would not have to remind people what being a fair minded leader is. You'd think most know not to break their toys. Especially if they want to keep playing with them. They forget these toys are living, thinking, breathing ones who choose to let you do what you want.
If so many Doms were not out there bastardizing and perverting the title of Dom or Master these days we wouldn't have to remind them we are entitled to love and respect.
Just because we choose to submit does not give someone carte blanch credit to be a mean ass to you.

I say if a Dom actually acts like a mature man and not some selfish careless kid then he would not be reminded he needs to respect us.

The actions of the Dom cause the reactions they get.

In my opinion your focus and disappointment should be at the source of the problem and not thinking fixing the reaction is the answer.
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RE: Watered down BDSM - 9/20/2006 11:56:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LordODiscipline

INterestingly enough -
 
I do not mind that the "alternative lifestyles" are involved/becoming involved/have always been involved - I am more piqued at the influence the idiocy on line has in who we are and what we do.
 
The entire reversal of dominance and submission over the last decades (From "I say, you do" to "A dominant cherishes his submissive and protects <read: coddles"> her") is what turns my stomache.
 
Where it impacts the actual dynamic is where it is irritating to me.
 
~J


Irritating it may be, and an issue. However: the community BDSM has no monopoly on power exchange, it's as old as time - they, we, are simply at the forefront of dealing with it openly in a less conspiritorial manner than it has perhaps been dealt with in the past. I like to think that it's a more honest and healthy approach than anyone has tried before.

The coddling theory or whatever, that you refer to, which I must say I haven't seen a huge amount of, though I suppose it's there, is part of that - it's a swing of the pendulum back from "Men are shit - the only man you really need is a good divorce lawyer" ethic that has prevailed somewhat in recent decades.

Truth is, people here are often trying to find or learn to get along in relationships that subject to the imperfections that all matter is subject to by definition - do you have to drink all the coolaid in order to be one of the faithful?

My personal solution to this quandry is simply not to mistake a community, made of diverse individuals for a ridgid and dogmatic institutional orthodoxy.

ISmply, this is religion to some, diversion to others - if you feel like it's uncomfortably close to cock blocking, ball busting, or topping from the bottom, I can see that point somewhat, it's a line everybody has to draw for themselves, and unfortunately, that's not philosophy, that's just the way it works when people are involved - not everybody is at the same stage of the game, nor do they progress at the same speed - and how did the game start if not refining the ability to finesse submission from a stubborn skeptic to an art form?

Let it hang out baby, nobody in here ought to be mugged for expressing their honest feelings - you may well be, but I wouldn't and don't consider it to constitute any sort of official censure, and I'm not going to think any less of you, but ultimately how far they wanna go, and who with is their decision.

Hell, I'm all about crushing delicate sensibilities, if it's just perfunctory twitterpating masquerading as insight: if you don't wanna get burned, don't play with matches around gasoline.

At the same time, it can be scary stuff, not everybody can just blindly leap of the cliff - to what degree would you be willing to submit? For every cuddly kitten you're referring to, I'm willing to bet there's another who can walk through fire.


< Message edited by Amaros -- 9/20/2006 12:06:06 PM >

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RE: Watered down BDSM - 9/20/2006 11:57:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross
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ORIGINAL: Tanos
Many people see "BDSM" for the first time and assume it just stands for "BD + SM",
just as many people think "a dom" is short for "a dominate" and that "domme" sounds
as if it has an acute accent on the "e".

But can you find a reputable source that says BDSM = BD + SM ?


Me and tons o' others who use it that way :)


I'll take that as a no then.

Regards,

Tanos


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RE: Watered down BDSM - 9/20/2006 12:55:37 PM   
Steelriven


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I was trying to give a simple easy example... Next time I'll try complicated, and detailed... And I'll still get those who still don't understand it, nor do they want to, and feel the need to argue for arguements sake...

I was simply stating for me, and many out there Infantilism is part of the BDSM world.

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