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mons -> RE: A Father's Reaction (9/20/2006 12:17:18 AM)

greetings
 
i want to tell you this i think you wish to tell you father. i have a son we were having problem he was not talking to me at all he and i share a computer. we have different aol but when i saw how he was acting i thought right away he knew about my being a domme i thought of it for weeks and then i decide to tell and ask him oh boy he knew but he was like not seeing when i told him oh he was upset but he never wanted to hear of it again ever so this is my son i hope your not thinking of telling you father he may kill him
 
mons




Nimkii -> RE: A Father's Reaction (9/20/2006 12:17:57 AM)

Havent told Mine. It's leave it to beaver land in their house. Complete with seperate beds. If came out though I know the reactions. My Father who is probly the most elemental Dom, would just nod.  My Mother would just think that much more of Me being the dark sheep. LOL




ayasha -> RE: A Father's Reaction (9/20/2006 1:23:01 AM)

why would a person feel they had to let their parents, or anyone else outside of the lifestyle, know they were submissive or Dominant? 




ownedgirlie -> RE: A Father's Reaction (9/20/2006 6:36:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mons

i want to tell you this i think you wish to tell you father. 



Hi Mons,
Thank you, and thanks everyone for your responses.  This wasn't about me wanting to tell my Dad.  My Dad is no longer living.  I was mostly very curious what men who are Masters would think upon knowing this about their daughters, and their perspective.  I appreciate everyone's replies. 




undergroundsea -> RE: A Father's Reaction (9/20/2006 6:58:17 AM)

In the local scene of a mid-sized city alone, I have come across about 8 people whose adult offspring not only know of their BDSM interest but share it.

Over time, I have come to think that BDSM has a nature and nurture component to it. The nature (genetic) component creates an inclination to respond to nurture (experiences that have potential to create an interest in BDSM).

While I do not candidly discuss sexuality with my family, I appreciate that some people have relationships that allow them to do so.

Incidentally, I see that in the newer generation, there is a relatively greater tendency for femdom, which both delights me and makes me feel I was born a generation too soon ;-)

Cheers,

Sea




MsReginasslave -> RE: A Father's Reaction (9/20/2006 7:15:53 AM)

i am a male slave and though we have never discussed it, my oldest son has experimented with bdsm, including submission.  Youngest son has no interest.  Both know of my interest in it, but not my role.  Must be genetics.  Their mother has no interest in it and is offended by it.  Go Figure.




CreativeDominant -> RE: A Father's Reaction (9/20/2006 7:28:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

I have been pondering this question in my mind for awhile.  We often read about mothers whose daughters come to them, professing their submission.  In such cases, it seems most daughters are supported by their mothers in this situation.

My question, however, is about fathers.  Even in the “vanilla” world, we hear the phrase “No man is good enough for my daughter.”  But what about the world of D/s?  If you are a Master, how would you feel if your adult daughter approached you and told you she is a slave?  How would you respond if the very things you enjoy with your slave, she was enjoying with a Master?   Would it cause you to view your activity with your slave/submissive differently? 

If you are a submissive or a slave, would it be more difficult for you to approach your father with this revelation than your mother?  It would have been difficult to approach my Dad with this.  He once told me no one was good enough for me.  I asked if he preferred me to be alone, then?  He laughed, and did not respond. 

Your thoughts?


I separated from my ex in 1999 and we divorced in 2000 when my oldest daughter was 15 and my youngest daughter was 12.  With my oldest daughter, I watched her go through her teen years hooked up to a boyfriend that had that curious combination of bravado and submission.  I saw her frustration:  she 'loved' the guy, wanted him to be strong and take charge in the relationship and yet, fought his every attempt to do so.  Granted, some of his attempts were clumsy but some of them were nothing more than him trying to assert his "role" as the leader in the relationship (something my daughter said she wanted).  Part of the reason she fought him is the amount of trouble he kept getting into...brushes with the law, cheating on her, etc., etc..  I tried to guide and advise and console her without being overbearing.  They eventually split.  She started college and in her second year became involved with a young man who, except for the brushes with the law (thank God!), reminds me a lot of her first boyfriend.  Oddly enough...~rolling my eyes~....she has had the same kind of troubles with him.  One of the times she came to me with another one of their problems, I sat down with her and began talking to her at a more adult level than I had before.  She not only knew I was dominant but into the kinky side as well, thanks to my being outed to her by my ex.  I told her that I did not want to go into the sexual arena but I did want to tell her my opinion:  "Are you dominant, my first-born?  You state that you want the guy to "take charge" in the relationship and yet, when they do, you fight them because they have not done it 'your way'.  Right now, you are acting a lot like your mother and a lot of men and women...you say you want one thing from your partner but then you countermand it and tell them how they have to do it for it to be proper.  You say you want strong guys who will take charge and yet, you always pick guys who try and then, when you countermand them, they turn around and back down after fighting with you over it...they don't do it your way but they let you "win" the fight.  Which would make you happier...finding a strong guy who would be perfectly happy letting you run the relationship AND who follows your 'suggestions' as to how to treat you OR saying that you want a strong guy who will take charge and then, continue to fight his every attempt to do so because he "just doesn't do it right" and then fussing because even though he has backed down, he still won't do it your way OR sitting down, figuring out if you want to be woman who accepts the man as leader and being the follower?"  She looked at me in kind of a shocked fashion but about a month later, she told me that my words that day had set her to thinking about who and what she is and what she wants from a relationship.  She's not there yet...and I am sure it would be easier if she was not still involved with the boyfriend...but at least she has had an honest answer about some of her inclinations and thought patterns

As far as the sexuality part goes...I've never been one of those dads who denies that his daughters are sexual beings.  That being said, I have no desire to know what my daughters do sexually and I don't spend a lot of time wondering.  As for their thoughts about my own inclinations sexually, I've noted on here before that they were angry about it at first but a lot of that was tied into the divorce too...now I tend to get the reaction I think a lot of parents get when their kids get any idea that their parents are still sexual beings..."Ewwwwwwwwwwww...gross, Dad".




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: A Father's Reaction (9/20/2006 8:08:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ayasha
why would a person feel they had to let their parents, or anyone else outside of the lifestyle, know they were submissive or Dominant? 

For me it’s because it is who I am, a very vital and overarching part of how I work within dynamics and it’s how I relate to my partners. 

I do not feel the need to tell everyone, and make the choice to come out based on my feelings as well as my partners.  But I certainly make sure that my friends know because I feel if I cannot be truly fully myself with them, can I really consider myself a friend to them or them to me? 

While I don’t feel this way about my biological family, I can see how people can and do have that sort of bond.  Unlike with homosexuality, it’s easier to “pass as straight” when you’re in a hetero monogamous Ms relationship.  My family all know I have multiple partners, because it’s impossible to hide without lying.




Master96 -> RE: A Father's Reaction (9/20/2006 9:17:03 AM)

Although I’m not a dad yet; but I thought about this topic.
I came to a conclusion that I should treat my slave first, as the way I want my daughter to be treated if she became one.

I think being a good Dom or Master is by treating his slave right, before asking other Masters to be careful with their daughters or else…..

Master96,




zumala -> RE: A Father's Reaction (9/20/2006 9:19:39 AM)

I would never tell my parents.  They're basically right-wing, conservative, fundamentalist, Republican Christians.  I'm Christian myself, but... not like that.  They'd have an absolute fit if they heard about it, I have no doubt.
 
zuma




MsKatHouston -> RE: A Father's Reaction (9/20/2006 9:37:39 AM)

I am quite certain my dominance will come as no surprise to anyone in my family.  If I was "outed" it would probably get a shrug, a nod and a change of subject.  However, while I don't go to great lengths to hide what I do, I also do not broadcast it nor do I discuss my sexual life with my parents.  For me it would be a non issue.  I don't talk about my parents' sex life with them, they don't talk about mine with me.  We're all just fine with that also.




akisha -> RE: A Father's Reaction (9/20/2006 11:25:05 AM)

I think it would be way easiwer to tell my dad. He's alot more accepting and wasy going then my mom. I know my mom has some idea what I'm into but I doubt she knows that i'm a submissive and not a Dominant.

I have discussed bits with my mother, but she'd rather not know too much so I leave it at that.




RiotGirl -> RE: A Father's Reaction (9/20/2006 11:43:53 AM)

Well - in approaching my father i worried less about what he'd "think" as opposed to my mother.  It is easier with my father as there is more of a common ground to explain it.  My Dad being the most dominant person in the family, he even "leads" his own parents. 

So i just have to look at my dad and say "Dad, i want a man like you - except their abit harder to find in this world, so i'm going this route to find him"    Which i didnt actually say.  I think i more hinted around at it at being submissive - pointed out the positives of my relationship, gave abit of an idea of how my relationship played out.  IE BF said xxxx and i did it. 

my brother was easier, he quite agree's with me that there is a more so dominant party in a relationship

my sister argued with me and said in vanilla relationships everything is always equal, but i swayed her to the "lead" role changes back in forth which does create a balance.. but at times...  one is following another.  Which was my whole "point" about a D/s relationship.  Instead of swaying.. it stays the same. 

my grandmother has a good bit of a clue.. but i think she's afraid once i got past all the whips and chains to ask anymore questions (lolol)  Which is kind of suprising as everytime i've ever dated a new guy she's asked me the size of his dingaling.  (yeah i know wierd)

my mother i was able to out right tell.  i told her before i met him and her only concern was that he wasnt a "sadomasochist"  Which i quelled her fears and said "no mom he isnt a sadomasochist"  Tho i have since told her of MY masochist status.  Unfortunetly, while my mother accepts alot and boundaries have been made - she isnt honest about how she feels.  Basically she is submissive, who got tired of being treated like crap and walked all over by dominant vanilla men so now she is more of a control freak with a dominant personality.  So that about sums up what she thinks of being submissive.  I think she'd of been alot happier if i came and told her i was a sadistic dominant and i want to turn men into my bitches all over the world.  Sub to men?  Gah!  Of course her true opionon like never comes out.. so whatever




KnightofMists -> RE: A Father's Reaction (9/20/2006 6:15:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

If you are a Master, how would you feel if your adult daughter approached you and told you she is a slave? 


Proud that she was raised with the inner strength to live a life that gave her happiness.  Of course... I wouldn't be any less or more proud if she told me she was the Dominant of the relationship.  This also applies to my boy.

quote:


How would you respond if the very things you enjoy with your slave, she was enjoying with a Master? 


The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

quote:


Would it cause you to view your activity with your slave/submissive differently? 


No.. why should it?




popeye1250 -> RE: A Father's Reaction (9/20/2006 6:34:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: zumala

I would never tell my parents.  They're basically right-wing, conservative, fundamentalist, Republican Christians.  I'm Christian myself, but... not like that.  They'd have an absolute fit if they heard about it, I have no doubt.
 
zuma


Zumala, c'mon! Go ahead and tell them!
"Hi Mom and Dad, I joined this new Church and we use handcuffs, rope and leather to tie each other up and have sex!"
lol, popeye




ownedgirlie -> RE: A Father's Reaction (9/20/2006 6:34:50 PM)

Again, I appreciate the responses. This has been enlightening.   My world is so full of people who do not understand dominance and submission, and my family would be quite alarmed if they truly knew me.  This question came about after the death of my father.  I wondered one night, if now that he's on "the other side," can he really see me, and what would he think? 

You have all helped a great deal.  KoM, your reply was very helpful; thank you.




xBullx -> RE: A Father's Reaction (9/25/2006 7:43:00 AM)

Tal and greetings,

This is an interesting point. I have thought quite hard about this point in the past. I do not have any daughters so I have quized men about issues to this point without asking directly "do you like the idea your daughter is a slave. I have wondered why some men take so poorly to a girl following her heart in this matter. I have came to several different conclusions.

First, their is the various religious implications. To all of these and to save a whole chunk of text junk. Remember Abraham.

Second, they believe that they know what is best for their daughters. Even if it is only an assumption, this reason is based on a fathers love.

Thirdly, I have noted a sense of embarrasment to the fact my daughter would be to good to be a slave, there could never be slaves in my family. This is a rather vanilla response. Most don't look at it as a girl following what she feels to her very core. When faced with a master and her primal feelings explode a girl can help to be only one thing. Her slavery to men.

I have thought hard about how I might react. I am a Gorean, we believe you live life by what pulls at your natural core. Sure I would love to be the Grandfather of handsome free grandsons, the fact is that many women within gorean circles are free. But if a daughetr were to surrender herself to a man and she was fully freeing herself to be the woman she was. I would wish her well and insist she serve him well.

Now this is obviously my gorean response to this issue. I am not going to go on a rant as to who's way is better, I am not in the gorean forum. I just thought this was an excellent topic.

Be well,

Bull




MasterRoissey -> RE: A Father's Reaction (9/25/2006 8:02:09 AM)

 "If you are a Master, how would you feel if your adult daughter approached you and told you she is a slave?"
I would expect a great difference between the reactions of "vanilla dads" and those living it.
should My daughter disclose this "realiztion", I would express My appreciation of her courage and try to provide her the same guidance and "warning" I would with any other trainee.
admittedly, I would hope to meet her Doms as any vanilla father might...but instead of greeting him at the door with a shotgun...I believe My bullwhip would suffice nicely!




Voltare -> RE: A Father's Reaction (9/25/2006 8:30:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

Again, I appreciate the responses. This has been enlightening.   My world is so full of people who do not understand dominance and submission, and my family would be quite alarmed if they truly knew me.  This question came about after the death of my father.  I wondered one night, if now that he's on "the other side," can he really see me, and what would he think? 

You have all helped a great deal.  KoM, your reply was very helpful; thank you.


There's usually an element of 'do what I say, not what I do' when it comes to parent/children relationships.  Obviously, the desire to keep our children safe, healthy, and happy is forefront in a parent's mind.  This is, unfortunately, also a hypocritical double standard. 

Obviously, there are some men in the BDSM and Ds community who would be shocked and appalled to learn their daughter was involved in the lifestyle.  It would be little different than a vanilla man who regularly visits prostitutes to one day find his daughter was an 'escort.'  Some men simply objectify women (or rather specific women) in order to overcome their own insecurities or social deficiancies (if she's just a slut, I don't have to worry about saying the wrong thing or being rejected, etc etc.)  By objectifying their partners, lovers, or slaves, they are free from the responsibility and risk inherent in such relationships.

Another huge factor is related to the fear of the unknown.  Most men absolutely cannot tolerate the idea of their children doing something they don't understand.  Some men will try to learn and understand what she's into, but many won't. 

But, fortunately, most men love their children enough to be able to (eventually) come to terms with the problem, and accept love their daughter, even if he doesn't understand her choices. 




freyjasdottir -> RE: A Father's Reaction (9/25/2006 11:22:03 AM)

My father would probably be ok with it, he knows some of my friends are to put it nicely *sick puppies* my mother, well I hope her life insurance is paid up.




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